Range display #combatthings

Could we get some basic floating number UI that displays the range of your target and mouse-over in meters and yards?
And maybe focus if the option is implemented in the future.

This allows people to makes educated choices and engage in a proactive way with the rules of the game: your skills range, and your rival skills range.
Combat doesn't happen around you, you make combat happen.
Great tool for the craftmanship of war.

Form and how pretty it looks would depend in Intrepid.
It would also depend on the players and their personal taste if Intrepid give us a bit of customization. This could be polished later.

I'm here mainly talking about function.

Where are the pvp bois?
Do you want range display or not?

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Ferni

I would like to have something like that in-game. In Archeage you had that number in the top right corner of your target HP bar and it was helpful when you were playing a ranged class or against a ranged class.

Dygz

No.

tautau

I agree with @Dygz with his concise reply. "No."

I mean good heavens! Do you have a floating range UI or mouse~over ability when you are duck hunting, hitting a baseball or shooting basketball? Of course not. You eyeball the distance and give it your best shot.

I think that the common name for that is 'skill.' Or lack thereof.

Tacualeon

Ferni wrote: »

I would like to have something like that in-game. In Archeage you had that number in the top right corner of your target HP bar and it was helpful when you were playing a ranged class or against a ranged class.

I like that.
Could you makes the fonts bigger?
What about mouse-over option or an altenative way to track a second player.?

Since there is going to be things up to 250vs250 in Ashes I would like being able to track at least one more player.

tautau wrote: »

I agree with @Dygz with his concise reply. "No."

I mean good heavens! Do you have a floating range UI or mouse~over ability when you are duck hunting, hitting a baseball or shooting basketball? Of course not. You eyeball the distance and give it your best shot.

I think that the common name for that is 'skill.' Or lack thereof.

1) If your building logic for an argument is that eyeball perception and screen perception have a 1:1 conversion we might never agree.

2) If profesionals athletes, warrios and soldiers could enhance themselves with floating numbers they would.

3) Let a game be a game and let us make the best out of it.
The most engaged people, know they most numbers and most words.

Let's not limit ourselves and give players choice over their fate.
If you know the range information, you have a saying in every fights. Good choices versus bad choices.

Combat experience is more rewarding in games when you know the numbers.
Players get frustrated when they don't know why they died or failed. That's why I ask for a range indicator for some, and a death recap for others

Sathrago

What I want to see is support skills that do things players want out of quality of life addons like determining distance, health pools, resource pools, level, quality of gear etc. Give the ranger a distance tracking ability that they can mark people with, granting allies an approximate distance to the target. Let rogues be able examine someone for a time to learn more information about them. Let crafters ascertain how good someones armor or siege weapons are. Stuff like this would be more immersive and grant players the tools to do what would otherwise be an addon's job.

Tacualeon

tautau wrote: »

I agree with @Dygz with his concise reply. "No."

I mean good heavens! Do you have a floating range UI or mouse~over ability when you are duck hunting, hitting a baseball or shooting basketball? Of course not. You eyeball the distance and give it your best shot.

If your building logic for an argument is that eyeball perception and screen perception works exactly the same, we might never agree.
I think that logic is flawed, lazy and an crime against the architecture of fun and quality engagement.

Let's not be lazy and excuse the lost videogame potential with the dumb premise that there is skill in depth percepcion and that videogame should be tied to the weight of reality.
If you want depth perception go somewhere specialized gameplay like nbk2k or actualy basketball.

I don't want to lose the kitting mmorpg experience because some confused person shoots duck in third while running.

bloodprophet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q3ezaoqIRM&t=0s

Tacualeon

bloodprophet wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q3ezaoqIRM&t=0s

I actually watched that video some years ago and I liked.

I don't think this counts as optimizing.
This create a more engaging experience by not hiding information behind a false and lazy premise.

Information give you choices, with choices you prove your skill.

bloodprophet

It most certainly does. Your last two threads are directly related to this. Giving information of this nature removes choices. Laziness requires this kind of information in lieu of skill.

Tacualeon

bloodprophet wrote: »

Giving information of this nature removes choices. Laziness requires this kind of information in lieu of skill.

I most deeply disagree with that.
Knowing more always gives you more choices.

Lo sé porque inglés no es mi idioma nativo. Pero decidí involucrarme en este foro. Conozco tantas palabras como necesarias, y tengo un mundo de opciones si deseo aprender algo o acceder a alguna información en particular. Tus opciones tal vez son usar google traductor. Yo puedo decidir no hacerlo y navegar por este foro como si nada, e intercambiar ideas con personas que muchos otros nacidos en mi misma ciudad y condiciones tal vez no pueden.

Knowledge gives you choice. Good choices can make knowledge become power.
Range display is power to smart.

George_Black

Tacualeon wrote: »

Ferni wrote: »

I would like to have something like that in-game. In Archeage you had that number in the top right corner of your target HP bar and it was helpful when you were playing a ranged class or against a ranged class.

I like that.
Could you makes the fonts bigger?
What about mouse-over option or an altenative way to track a second player.?

Since there is going to be things up to 250vs250 in Ashes I would like being able to track at least one more player.

tautau wrote: »

I agree with @Dygz with his concise reply. "No."

I mean good heavens! Do you have a floating range UI or mouse~over ability when you are duck hunting, hitting a baseball or shooting basketball? Of course not. You eyeball the distance and give it your best shot.

I think that the common name for that is 'skill.' Or lack thereof.

1) If your building logic for an argument is that eyeball perception and screen perception have a 1:1 conversion we might never agree.

2) If profesionals athletes, warrios and soldiers could enhance themselves with floating numbers they would.

3) Let a game be a game and let us make the best out of it.
The most engaged people, know they most numbers and most words.

Let's not limit ourselves and give players choice over their fate.
If you know the range information, you have a saying in every fights. Good choices versus bad choices.

Combat experience is more rewarding in games when you know the numbers.
Players get frustrated when they don't know why they died or failed. That's why I ask for a range indicator for some, and a death recap for others

Bro let the game be a game.
You dont need Ironmans helmet to calculate your distance from the target.
Just have fun with the visuals.
Less numbers plz.

Tacualeon

George Black wrote: »

Bro let the game be a game.
You dont need Ironmans helmet to calculate your distance from the target.
Just have fun with the visuals.
Less numbers plz.

Pvp is a battle of wits. Specially in tab target inspired games.
Some people don't want to bring wits. Despicable.

George_Black

Tacualeon wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Bro let the game be a game.
You dont need Ironmans helmet to calculate your distance from the target.
Just have fun with the visuals.
Less numbers plz.

Pvp is a battle of wits. Specially in tab target inspired games.
Some people don't want to bring wits.

Your opponent wont see the distance between you either. Use your wits. Win.

Tacualeon

George Black wrote: »

Tacualeon wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Bro let the game be a game.
You dont need Ironmans helmet to calculate your distance from the target.
Just have fun with the visuals.
Less numbers plz.

Pvp is a battle of wits. Specially in tab target inspired games.
Some people don't want to bring wits.

Your opponent wont see the distance between you either. Use your wits. Win.

Where is the test of skill or wit if neither are aware of distance?

Logic is missing. And if you are trying to sneak up the same logic bloodprophets uses I'm going to pass.
And you might not know what wit means.
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bloodprophet

Tacualeon wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Tacualeon wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Bro let the game be a game.
You dont need Ironmans helmet to calculate your distance from the target.
Just have fun with the visuals.
Less numbers plz.

Pvp is a battle of wits. Specially in tab target inspired games.
Some people don't want to bring wits.

Your opponent wont see the distance between you either. Use your wits. Win.

Where is the test of skill or wit if neither are aware of distance?

Logic is missing. And if you are trying to sneak up the same logic bloodprophets uses I'm going to pass, man.
And you might not know what wit means.

Most amazing and amusing you chose that scene. Clearly you have have clue what wit means.

How is having exact information about the distance between you and your foe provided by the game using your supreme wit?

Using your wit would mean you could figure it out better then your opponent and gain the advantage.

Marcet

I was gonna say no, but...

Maybe a scientific node Trinket??

maouw

Marcet wrote: »

I was gonna say no, but...

Maybe a scientific node Trinket??

I like this.
no by default, equip a combat assistant if you need it.

Tacualeon

bloodprophet wrote: »

How is having exact information about the distance between you and your foe provided by the game using your supreme wit?

I'm not understanding what you are trying to ask.
Can you express yourself more clearly?

bloodprophet wrote: »

Using your wit would mean you could figure it out better then your opponent and gain the advantage.

I don't think mmorpg is the correct genre to make depth perception a thing.
I don't think depth perception on a screen is something any of us want to focus.
I don't think depth perception is a engaging gameplay experience.
I don't think making depth perception a task would be fun. Specially while managing cds and positioning in 250vs250.
I don't think depth perception creates fun interaction. It doesn't create any interaction at all.
I don't think you have put much tought into the argument you are trying to make.

Seriously, have you ever been into at least a 10v10, 20v20, 250vs250. How does micro managing 1-5 meters while surrounded by dozens of enemies, managing cooldowns and positioning fun?
In what mind does that unnecesary level of micro managment strike you as fun?
Will you find fun in that? Does that creates fun for you?
Does that creates fun interaction between players? Like both knowing the range and trying to out-position each other?

Or are you mindlessly making an argument for realism because you think it makes you look cool and skilled?

This all sounds like those intense guys that want rpgs with hunger and thirst meters because realism and they think they look cool but haven't actually though that much about the consequences or even if it is fun.
I invite you to reconsider your opinion.
What you are proposing is not fun. It's a burden in the way of fun.

But fun is subjective.
Go pursuit that gameplay experience if you truly think that will be a rewarding and fun experience.

George_Black

Bro...
If your opponent cannot see how far you are from him
and you cant see how far he is from you
that means whoever is more skilled will judge the right moment to take action.

If my ranged stun has 28m reach and I can see that my target is 28m away, it's so EASY to stun.

It baffles me how people claim that having a ton of UI and addons, telling them what to press and when makes them become better than others. 0 logic.

You are not a warrior, you are not an athlete or a soldier.
And the mmorpg is not e-sports.
I want a clear screen with my HP/MP/buffs/debuffs, my target nameplate and a good skillbar.
Not a jetfighters battle control system.

Vhaeyne

As a future ranger main I have to agree with "No".

Not having a range read out means that you have to use your skill as a player to accurately gauge the distance of attacks.

Having a range read out devalues player skill. No one has to gauge anything, they just magically know.
Leave some room in the game for player skill.

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