Character creation diversity

Vhaeyne

RahlSingh wrote: »

Why does everyone have to impose their view on others.

It's not imposing views on others when the "others" are constantly asking the community for feedback. The opinions in these threads are the feedback the developers are asking for. They want the feedback.

When the developers have a hard opinion about something, they can and do put their foot down.

Mordimer

Conrad wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Ngl, kinda jealous I'm not Greek myself. Cool mythology, cool names and created the Corinthian helm. Meanwhile here I am, a Polish guy and all I can be proud of is the Witcher and Husaria 🤣

Husaria was black

Kallysha

Sathrago wrote: »

Barbillus wrote: »

Let us remember that orcs, elves, dwarfs, goblins, etc are all from Indo-European and specifically Germanic and Celtic cultures, they have always been represented as a mirror image of Germanic and Celtic people. That is why elves have always been depicted as fair with light hair, do not try to suggest this imagery was simply invented by a modern writter. When discussing this topic we must keep in mind that these creatures are depictions from an ancient culture and we must respect the culture that these things come from. Just as if we were discussing Yokai or Yao Guai, we would respect their origins in Han and Japanese culture and represent them as such.

Exactly, and there are many many different variations yet most fall into the same vague category of description. If I say elf you imagine a handsome or beautiful long and pointed eared supermodel-like creature with flowing loreal locks of hair and a love of nature. If I say Orc you generally imagine a big hulking muscle brain with a pig-ish face, tusks, and vary from greyish skin to dark green and an insatiable bloodlust they can unleash.

These are the "general" ideas that many people think of when you say Elf or Orc. This can be expanded into the other fantasy creatures, and that's why there will always be pushback when someone tries to suggest a change to such things for literally no other reason than because they can. It's even worse when people start asking for fantasy races to fulfill a diversity quota when they are literally a different species. They are already diverse in their own unique way.

There is no need draw real life political issues into it. If you read a book and it tells you the sky is blue, you don't get to say "Well I think it's green". The sky is blue because it's not your story to tell, and if you don't like that you should probably stop reading the book. Our characters are the same. They are inside the "book" that is Ashes of Creation and if the author says your character is a primarily black-skinned race, you shouldn't suddenly get mad that there are no white-skinned versions of your race.

Now, as for ashes of creation, we still have a few months before they start releasing their take on Orcs, tulnar, and possible updates to the current races. I am all for diverse races, skin colors, and all sorts of weird customization options, but it should reflect the lore of the world. I understand this thread is more about asking for these options before the lore is implemented, so all I can say is good luck. I just don't want to see players attempting to push for silly notions of diversity when we literally have the Tulnar, a collection of species that intermingled for thousands of years.

Conrad wrote: »

... but the elves were made by Tolkien.

oh here we are again 🙄, elves must be exactly depicted as what you saw in the lotr movies, becaaause? You say so? Here's the thing, Tolkien its quite literally a romanticized modern fantasy " Tolkien has significantly shaped the modern perception of elves", and portrayed them significantly different from its origins;
Yes elves come from the norse/celtic mythology and if you go have a look at it, you will find out that after all there is a lot of different depictions of elves over the eras, i mean just have a look at the elves from harry potter...

'... there are many many different variations yet most fall into the same vague category of description. If I say elf you imagine a handsome or beautiful long and pointed eared supermodel-like creature with flowing loreal locks of hair and a love of nature.' - ^ Precisely as you described 😆
wow orcs look nothing like lotr orcs btw, and i do prefer lotr orcs anyday

'If you read a book and it tells you the sky is blue, you don't get to say "Well I think it's green".' - Well i might want it to be green instead its up to my imagination, who gonna stop me? btw there is different shades of blue, some quite greenish... 'The sky is blue because it's not your story to tell' - but I'AM the one reading it, so i can imagine as i want

'They are inside the "book" that is Ashes of Creation and if the author says your character is a primarily black-skinned race, you shouldn't suddenly get mad that there are no white-skinned versions of your race.' - Pls care to provide link where is stated (lore wise) how the races in ashes are precisely described?

'I just don't want to see players attempting to push for silly notions of diversity when we literally have the Tulnar' - Im sry, WHAT? Are you being serious? You really think that is the tulnar who will provide the diversity we are looking for?? (one can only ponder who is the actual silly in here...)

Elves in a matter of fact were depicted at one point by being small mischievous creatures, even malevolent beings; While orcs are somewhat Tolkien's version of dark elves; Dwarves well i assume you have seen how actual dwarfs look like, they only made them supernatural in the folklore. And according to your logic, you must believe that the vampires you see today on the screen/books are what they were primally depicted as?

'"Elves are more diverse now than ever." They have evolved through multiple interpretations...' yeeeeeah? About that tho... some clearly still refuse to acknowledge that.

George_Black wrote: »

People need to separate fantasy from reality. I never saw anybody raging that orcs dont have human white or human black skin options.

"Fantasy is a genre of speculative fiction that involves supernatural or magical elements, often including completely imaginary realms and creatures."
Mythology - stories/legends or beliefs about a particular being and situation, term for fiction or story-telling. Myths are story-telling narratives, also described as fictional or invented stories. The word "myth" comes from Ancient Greek meaning narrative, or fiction.
Literally made one with pale skin in bg3 plus

from The Hobbit

Barbillus wrote: »

I am Polynesian and I couldn't care less if characters in a game looked like me or not

meanwhile Niküa served on a plate to you

If i want to create a dark skinned elf or with 'asian' features, why couldn't i? And im neither dark skinned nor asian, so why people that are so cant they? Same thing applies to the other races (the races in the game). Ofc there should be some limitations in the character creator so people dont go over the board with it, otherwise abominations will be created.

Kallysha

Now to what actually matters which is the topic - diversity:
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Intricate patterns are drawn by tattoo artists from the Badi (Gond) community by Alain loss, no Flickr
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[- dd2 imo most advanced in terms of sliders/presets (body/tattoos-body painting/ scars wise), quite detailed customization, there is even skin tones/complexion types of presets as also a huge range of body presets; face wise a bit more restrained although there is still a good portion of quite diverse face presets; makeup wise good amount-diversity to choose also a large range of colors for each step (be it eyes/eyeliner/blush/lips), also the glossy slider for each; and can change color of eyebrows/ lashes, even the tip of the eyelash/ beard/ and body hair each individually
- inzoi i do say is quite peculiar over the face customization, you can modify a lot about it, make it even asymmetrical; body wise pretty good but not exactly to the levels of dd2; jewellery/piercings and nails, can change color (also a good range of colors), or even the shape in case of the nails that is; makeup wise, prestige, highlighter and glitter is a thing and we do appreciate, the eyeshadow you can change the color by steps (from the bottom eyeliner to the top one then each section/layer of the eyeshadow), various lipstick presets as well
- bg3 i love the female muscular body type (the slight appearance of veins in the arms 👌), well face wise and body wise very limited, just extremely few presets, but then compensates in other regards, with quite an immense palette of colors to choose, be it skin or hair (although still not enough 🙃 so i got more with mods ahaha); makeup wise pretty much all of them (dd2/bg3/inzoi) got good amount-diverse options, love the metalized slider for the eyes/eyeliner/lips
- dragon age the veilguard had good options/diverse presets of makeup as well, eyeshadows with a nice shimmer effect]
- dd2 cc /dd2 cc showing range quantity
- bg3 cc