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  • Vhaeyne wrote: »
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Stufferton and the corgi are the worst for me...

    I totally agree. Stuffertons is an abomination, and I've taken to calling the doggie "TFC", cos I can't mention it without calling it "That Fricking Corgi".

    I wonder how much we'd have to pay to get them removed from the game, and have the two or three people that bought them refunded.

    Is there any problem that can't be solved with money?

    If money solves problems, then it sounds like money is a main reason why those problems exist in the first place. Obviously not an absolution to every problem but relatable to many.
  • VhaeyneVhaeyne Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    If money solves problems, then it sounds like money is a main reason why those problems exist in the first place. Obviously not an absolution to every problem but relatable to many.
    Can't sue your way to the moon.-Daddy Musk
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    This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
  • Vhaeyne wrote: »
    If money solves problems, then it sounds like money is a main reason why those problems exist in the first place. Obviously not an absolution to every problem but relatable to many.
    Can't sue your way to the moon.-Daddy Musk

    or can you? :wink:
  • Speaking of which, some of the things people have sued and won over is almost unreal.
    GPS leading you into a river.
    Leaving the drivers seat with cruise control on to go cook food in the back of camper because the manual was not specific enough
    cereal hurt your mouth
    melted cheese was too hot on a burger

    the list can go on... I'm pretty sure someone sued because there wasn't enough of the one type of marshmallow in their lucky charms.
  • VhaeyneVhaeyne Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Speaking of which, some of the things people have sued and won over is almost unreal.
    GPS leading you into a river.
    Leaving the drivers seat with cruise control on to go cook food in the back of camper because the manual was not specific enough
    cereal hurt your mouth
    melted cheese was too hot on a burger

    the list can go on... I'm pretty sure someone sued because there wasn't enough of the one type of marshmallow in their lucky charms.

    "Judges"
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    This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
  • Vhaeyne wrote: »
    Speaking of which, some of the things people have sued and won over is almost unreal.
    GPS leading you into a river.
    Leaving the drivers seat with cruise control on to go cook food in the back of camper because the manual was not specific enough
    cereal hurt your mouth
    melted cheese was too hot on a burger

    the list can go on... I'm pretty sure someone sued because there wasn't enough of the one type of marshmallow in their lucky charms.

    "Judges"

    lol. They're just validating/finalising the results of the case plead by lawyers and jury results. So much to consider when it comes to laws and common sense. Unfortunately common sense is not valid in court. Some people are just.. built different... lol
  • Mopy KingMopy King Member, Alpha Two
    Superplus wrote: »
    we want the developers to respect the lore of ashes of creation.

    While I completely understand people not liking the current cosmetics, and especially stuff like stuffertons, I don't see how it disrespects the lore in the slightest.
    Just reading a quick description on all those items shows how they fit with lore. Even stuffertons is animated with magic which in Verra is "quite common".

    Not liking these cosmetics doesn't mean they detract from the world, just that you and Steven have a different vision for how/what you want the world to be.

    It's true that it's not exactly difficult to make up a random backstory on the spot for items like that but it doesn't mean it's lazy or unimaginative. If there is any sort of animation magic in the game then it would make less sense for animated toys/stuffed animals to not exist, they really would make awesome gifts for children.
    The only part that doesn't fit in the world with something like stuffertons for me is that people would be riding them into battle when they seem to meant as a fancy gift for simple transport, and in battle would probably get torn up..

    With a large game with lots of cultures/lore it's inevitable that something will look like it won't fit in depending on the region your in. If stuffertons is something fancy noble kids have, it'll fit in fine in that location, but take it to a swamp and it's just jarring and out of place. You can buy a fake Christmas tree right now and set it up in the middle of the desert, will look extremely out of place and ridiculous. Unless you plan on restricting where every mount/item can be used, it's all just an inconvenient inevitability.
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Mopy King wrote: »
    Superplus wrote: »
    we want the developers to respect the lore of ashes of creation.

    While I completely understand people not liking the current cosmetics, and especially stuff like stuffertons, I don't see how it disrespects the lore in the slightest.
    Just reading a quick description on all those items shows how they fit with lore. Even stuffertons is animated with magic which in Verra is "quite common".

    The Stuffertons description of: "Oh, erm, yeah well it totally fits in, cos, erm, A WIZARD DID IT!" was a pretty weak defence though, right?
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • Mopy KingMopy King Member, Alpha Two
    daveywavey wrote: »

    The Stuffertons description of: "Oh, erm, yeah well it totally fits in, cos, erm, A WIZARD DID IT!" was a pretty weak defence though, right?

    The reasoning doesn't really bother me, doesn't have to have an extravagant reason to exist.
    I honestly think most people wouldn't have an issue with stufferton if it wasn't a cosmetic but still in the world, because then you would only see it in places where it makes sense like where the rich nobles live with kid NPCs riding them. It's just that it should only really be present in a small section of the world but people will be riding it in lots of places it doesn't make sense that's off-putting. That will be a problem for and kind of niche/unique area that they decide to make cosmetics for though, just like some of these current ones which are meant for a holiday, but people will be using in summer or tropical locations. Doesn't make the cosmetic itself bad, just not something that makes sense to use in particular places without looking off.
  • JustVineJustVine Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Mopy King wrote: »
    daveywavey wrote: »

    The Stuffertons description of: "Oh, erm, yeah well it totally fits in, cos, erm, A WIZARD DID IT!" was a pretty weak defence though, right?

    The reasoning doesn't really bother me, doesn't have to have an extravagant reason to exist.
    I honestly think most people wouldn't have an issue with stufferton if it wasn't a cosmetic but still in the world, because then you would only see it in places where it makes sense like where the rich nobles live with kid NPCs riding them. It's just that it should only really be present in a small section of the world but people will be riding it in lots of places it doesn't make sense that's off-putting. That will be a problem for and kind of niche/unique area that they decide to make cosmetics for though, just like some of these current ones which are meant for a holiday, but people will be using in summer or tropical locations. Doesn't make the cosmetic itself bad, just not something that makes sense to use in particular places without looking off.

    This is the best take. There are definitely games where stufferton would feel completely natural. Possibly even terrifying with the right story telling and ambiance. Tiny Tina's Wonderland, Fairyland 2, heck even BDO if they fit the skin to look closer to one of Marny's creations. I just haven't seen any other lore that supports any of those types of elements. We don't have a strong central tinker/puppeteer type figure yet. It's not particularly hard to add these things. It's not even beta. But until they do, I can understand peoples' reflex that it feels out of place relative to everything we have seen so far.
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  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Mopy King wrote: »
    I honestly think most people wouldn't have an issue with stufferton if it wasn't a cosmetic but still in the world, because then you would only see it in places where it makes sense like where the rich nobles live with kid NPCs riding them.

    Nah, it's bloody awful...
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • LorebarianLorebarian Member
    edited December 2021
    I don’t see this breaking immersion in any truly significant way. Holidays are a break from the world. They celebrated many of them on real world battlefields, even respecting the holiday traditions of their enemies enough to have cease-fires, something that is still done.

    Of course they are going to borrow from our real world holiday traditions, as they said they would, because those traditions were developed and adapted over centuries - it takes time to invent holiday traditions, and doing them from scratch may make them unique to the world, but it would also take a ton of development time brainstorming what they would be, writing lore for them, thumbnailing/concepting/designing them aesthetically…etc. it’s just way too time to dump into something that only lasts a day or a week each year.

    Many folks appreciate holiday events. Personally I could do without them at all, but having them in games is something I am already used to, so I don’t mind it.

    It has never broken immersion for me any more than people creating characters with dumb names that don’t fit a fantasy world/story and being in my group/guild/general line of sight - which is to say if I can ignore that impact on daily gaming year round, I can deal with holidays that don’t feel fitting.
  • AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    My thing is that a guy in red leather with a white fur trim who looks like Santa Claus if you squint a certain way doesn't break my immersion.

    It's a costume, not a racial skin, so you're only going to have a fluffy white beard if you created a character with a fluffy white beard. I'm not aware of Santa wearing a spiked helmet or iron-shod boots, or plated gauntlets (though that would certainly be a badass Santa and you'd really want to stay off his naughty list).

    Now if they had something that made you look exactly like Elf on a Shelf, with a pointy hat and bells on slippers, I'd be less forgiving. Luckily they have been pretty good about not going down that route and hopefully they'll continue to be like that.
     
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  • DolyemDolyem Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I doubt we would ever be able to get the silly skins out of the game now, but how about we all form a coalition to normalize KoSing anyone that uses them? :smiley:
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  • Mopy KingMopy King Member, Alpha Two
    Dolyem wrote: »
    I doubt we would ever be able to get the silly skins out of the game now, but how about we all form a coalition to normalize KoSing anyone that uses them? :smiley:

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    Bring it

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  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Dolyem wrote: »
    I doubt we would ever be able to get the silly skins out of the game now, but how about we all form a coalition to normalize KoSing anyone that uses them? :smiley:

    Maybe it could be a side-goal of the Tulnar-cleansing society being set up: 'The Society for a Cleaner Verra'
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • JustVineJustVine Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Dolyem wrote: »
    I doubt we would ever be able to get the silly skins out of the game now, but how about we all form a coalition to normalize KoSing anyone that uses them? :smiley:

    Maybe it could be a side-goal of the Tulnar-cleansing society being set up: 'The Society for a Cleaner Verra'

    The subject exhibits genocidal tendencies. The avatar of the subject matching it's prey suggests a goal oriented mindset capable of carrying out such genocidal tendencies. Further testing is required to determine the subjects effectiveness at attacking it's prey in order to determine the risk of it's virulent fascistic tendencies towards the local population. Caution is advised.
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  • DolyemDolyem Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Mopy King wrote: »
    Dolyem wrote: »
    I doubt we would ever be able to get the silly skins out of the game now, but how about we all form a coalition to normalize KoSing anyone that uses them? :smiley:

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    Bring it

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    All I head was "Ho ho ho, come take my loot."
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  • DolyemDolyem Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Dolyem wrote: »
    I doubt we would ever be able to get the silly skins out of the game now, but how about we all form a coalition to normalize KoSing anyone that uses them? :smiley:

    Maybe it could be a side-goal of the Tulnar-cleansing society being set up: 'The Society for a Cleaner Verra'

    A better Verra honestly
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  • DolyemDolyem Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    JustVine wrote: »
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Dolyem wrote: »
    I doubt we would ever be able to get the silly skins out of the game now, but how about we all form a coalition to normalize KoSing anyone that uses them? :smiley:

    Maybe it could be a side-goal of the Tulnar-cleansing society being set up: 'The Society for a Cleaner Verra'

    The subject exhibits genocidal tendencies. The avatar of the subject matching it's prey suggests a goal oriented mindset capable of carrying out such genocidal tendencies. Further testing is required to determine the subjects effectiveness at attacking it's prey in order to determine the risk of it's virulent fascistic tendencies towards the local population. Caution is advised.

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