Explain to me how this game isn’t ruined by cosmetic MTX.

Someone needs to try their best and explain to me how this game isn’t already ruined by the introduction of LOADS of cosmetic MTX. The entire purpose of playing an MMO is the progression of your character both in terms of skill and power and also their armor and how they look. Please explain to me how buying the ability to look cool doesn’t change the fundamental gameplay and incentive of playing this game? I would LOVE to pay a box cost and sub to never have a single MTX in the game. WoW was the most popular and successful mmo of all time for over a decade without ever having cosmetic MTX. Now they do but explain to me why this game needs to have a sub and cosmetic MTX. It completely ruins the game for me. There is zero incentive for me to play a game where I know you can just buy the ability to look good and there is zero prestige or work associated with looking good. Don’t give me the reasons why you claim they need MTX to develop the game. That’s BS. The sub fee more than pays for the game and the continued development. If they had box price the preorders would pay for the initial development and the launch and expansions and sub would make ridiculous money. All without ruining the core gameplay loop. Instead I now consider this to be on the same tier as Fortnite, BDO, and basically any other sort of low tier lowest common denominator slop in the gaming feeding trough. Cosmetic MTX ruin video games ESPECIALLY MMOs. Not to mention it entices the devs to make the best looking things as purchasable so you spend money meanwhile your character in game will find one or two armor visuals the entire leveling experience because they’ve all been locked behind a paywall. You can claim “oh no no Steve said there will be tons of visual diversity in game not just through the cash shop!” To which I would say BS, this game is doing what every single other game does. The devs decry pay to win MTX and say “this game will never be pay to win!” And you all gobble it up meanwhile they are bending you over backwards with cosmetic MTX which affect gameplay just as much as pay to win.

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Vhaeyne

SirChancelot11 wrote: »

Some people get upset over the strangest things

Is it all peaches and cream for you, Sir Chancelot One One?

Ashes is just bowling the perfect game?

CROW3

SirChancelot11 wrote: »

Some people get upset over the strangest things

Cake flavored Oreos. At some point it’s like ‘wtf!?just make Oreos.’

… or is that just me?

Vhaeyne

CROW3 wrote: »

Cake flavored Oreos. At some point it’s like ‘wtf!?just make Oreos.’

… or is that just me?

Sounds good though. I would at least try it.

CROW3

Hehe - they are actually pretty good, but you have the draw the line at some point. Same reason Coke's new CEO slashed their product offering in half. RIP Tab.

SirChancelot

Vhaeyne wrote: »

SirChancelot11 wrote: »

Some people get upset over the strangest things

Is it all peaches and cream for you, Sir Chancelot One One?

Ashes is just bowling the perfect game?

I mean, it's not a game yet.... So it's hard to call it a strike if they haven't shot their shot. Judging them right now is like judging a bowler for what pound ball he grabbed and not knowing what he's going to do with it.

Vhaeyne

SirChancelot11 wrote: »

I mean, it's not a game yet.... So it's hard to call it a strike if they haven't shot their shot. Judging them right now is like judging a bowler for what pound ball he grabbed and not knowing what he's going to do with it.

Yeah, I am not saying I agree with OP on this, but I am saying I have my share of criticisms for Ashes.

I can understand the frustration of wanting a game to just change a few things, and then it would be perfect. There are so many times when a few simple tweaks would make a huge difference, but they never get made and games die or just become something I don't want to play.

Unfortunately for OP, he is asking for something that is like rearranging the planets. It's just too big an ask at this point.

Kalv1441

You have to unlock the cosmetic in game before being able to wear whatever you purchased as a MTX

Endowed

Looking good is part of an MMO. Standing out is an absolute driving urge for many players... in whatever facet they choose.

Marcet

I would prefer box cost, increased mothly sub and expansion cost than a cosmetic shop.
But if they want to fill up the world with sparkly lions and weird things at launch day, it's their choice.

Vhaeyne

Marcet wrote: »

I would prefer box cost, increased mothly sub and expansion cost than a cosmetic shop.
But if they want to fill up the world with sparkly lions and weird things at launch day, it's their choice.

So would I, but that ship has sailed. I also don't think a $50 a month sub would be as profitable as the cash shop, assuming everyone who was going to play was crazy enough to pay that.

Podgnil

I agree with autor. But cosmetic MTX make price for suscribe lower. But if ur ask my will i make servers - reservations for those who buy pre order, and where cosmetic is avaleble in shop with lower sub price. But some services without cosmetic have a 5$ more sub price. Its will be excelent. Who want to buy his look in shop, can do it and thear will be enought of players who just want pay less look usual. and it will be reward for thoose who already buy preorder. And for usual players should be servers without any transaction.

Noaani

Podgnil wrote: »

I agree with autor. But cosmetic MTX make price for suscribe lower. But if ur ask my will i make servers - reservations for those who buy pre order, and where cosmetic is avaleble in shop with lower sub price. But some services without cosmetic have a 5$ more sub price. Its will be excelent. Who want to buy his look in shop, can do it and thear will be enought of players who just want pay less look usual. and it will be reward for thoose who already buy preorder. And for usual players should be servers without any transaction.

This is just needless segregation of the player base.

There will be a number of regions with enough of a population to support only a single server, and Intrepid have already said no to alternate ruleset servers - so having different different servers based on cosmetics is just odd.

Conrad

Well, tbh, Steven claiming the ingame earnable cosmetics / gear appearance will rival the shop cosmetics sounds pretty far fetched tbh. There's a few things I can believe but that aspect sounds like it got sucked out of a thumb

Podgnil

Noaani wrote: »

Podgnil wrote: »

I agree with autor. But cosmetic MTX make price for suscribe lower. But if ur ask my will i make servers - reservations for those who buy pre order, and where cosmetic is avaleble in shop with lower sub price. But some services without cosmetic have a 5$ more sub price. Its will be excelent. Who want to buy his look in shop, can do it and thear will be enought of players who just want pay less look usual. and it will be reward for thoose who already buy preorder. And for usual players should be servers without any transaction.

This is just needless segregation of the player base.

There will be a number of regions with enough of a population to support only a single server, and Intrepid have already said no to alternate ruleset servers - so having different different servers based on cosmetics is just odd.

Yep, i understend thet this question is loked, but if we tolk about dreammmo, thet what i want, and most part of players will agree with me )

Atama

Conrad wrote: »

Well, tbh, Steven claiming the ingame earnable cosmetics / gear appearance will rival the shop cosmetics sounds pretty far fetched tbh. There's a few things I can believe but that aspect sounds like it got sucked out of a thumb

It's not at all far-fetched, but it's also (potentially) meaningless. As I've pointed out in any of these discussions I've participated in, it's impossible to qualify the value of a cosmetic appearance.

For example, I think this is hideous:

And I think this is awesome (and I bought it):

Someone else might think the opposite; that the first item is fabulous and the second one is plain. So how can you say that one "rivals" the other?

The only way that I can see that Steven's promise is objectively fulfilled, is if cosmetics earned in-game are extremely similar to what you get in the shop. For example, imagine that you can earn that first set, except it has more of an autumn (orange, red, brown) color scheme. Clearly it is not the same, but it could be considered equivalent.

AncientIncant

OP says “There is zero incentive for me to play” games with cosmetic…and also says someone needs to explain how game isn’t ruined.

I recommend that members avoid investing energy into convincing others to change their preferences.

The title appears as an invitation for discussion, but the post and first response read as an opinion piece.

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Orym

It's true, cosmetics and other cash shop nonsense ruines the whole vibe of a game (especially mmos).

Atama

Orym wrote: »

It's true, cosmetics and other cash shop nonsense ruines the whole vibe of a game (especially mmos).

Holy crap. We need to get this fixed ASAP. Who has Steven's personal cell phone number? THE GAME'S VIBE IS AT STAKE!!!

Dolyem

Orym wrote: »

It's true, cosmetics and other cash shop nonsense ruines the whole vibe of a game (especially mmos).

Atama

@Dolyem I'm waiting for the thread where you and @daveywavey hold an entire conversation solely in gifs.

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