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I don't care for transmog. And i the minority? Where do you stand on it?

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    George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack
    edited December 2022
    I kinda agree with the sentiment but I will tell you something that I have said many times before.

    Mmos dont cost as little to develop as they used to 20-25 years ago. They need extra source of revenue to break even and maintain the quality of performance and content. Cosmetics and and looks are a great source of revenue, if not the best, if mmos want to avoid going P2W.

    You can't expect players NOT to want to change their appearance. Players now want to show off via looks, more than they care to show their skill in combat. How do you expect a studio to make money after developing a AAA (and maintaining it [both gameplay balance and hardeware], and making new content for it) without having more sources of income AND without going p2w?
    No AAA mmo has done that. Give it a rest. It's 2022.
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    AzheraeAzherae Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    Hate it.

    Gear designers can git gud instead.

    Dyes and minor 'modes' for gear, fine. Cosmetics, sorta fine. Between these two, I would like to believe we can manage.

    If we can't, then so be it, but generally transmog annoys me.
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    I fucking hate it with the biggest and brightest burning passion possible. The world would be better off w/o it, if not for its monetization. It's a necessary evil.
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    I kinda agree with the sentiment but I will tell you something that I have said many times before.

    Mmos dont cost as little to develop as they used to 20-25 years ago. They need extra source of revenue to break even and maintain the quality of performance and content. Cosmetics and and looks are a great source of revenue, if not the best, if mmos want to avoid going P2W.

    You can't expect players NOT to want to change their appearance. Players now want to show off via looks, more than they care to show their skill in combat. How do you expect a studio to make money after developing a AAA (and maintaining it [both gameplay balance and hardeware], and making new content for it) without having more sources of income AND without going p2w?
    No AAA mmo has done that. Give it a rest. It's 2022.

    Well at no point did I say it shouldn't be done in any way shape or form. I obviously understand why it's present in most games, I just don't care for it.
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    Azherae wrote: »
    Hate it.

    Gear designers can git gud instead.

    Dyes and minor 'modes' for gear, fine. Cosmetics, sorta fine. Between these two, I would like to believe we can manage.

    If we can't, then so be it, but generally transmog annoys me.

    Dyes and 'modes' I like. Allows you to put a spin on it without it looking like entirely different gear.
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    NiKr wrote: »
    I fucking hate it with the biggest and brightest burning passion possible. The world would be better off w/o it, if not for its monetization. It's a necessary evil.

    I feel u on that.
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    George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack
    Settite wrote: »
    I kinda agree with the sentiment but I will tell you something that I have said many times before.

    Mmos dont cost as little to develop as they used to 20-25 years ago. They need extra source of revenue to break even and maintain the quality of performance and content. Cosmetics and and looks are a great source of revenue, if not the best, if mmos want to avoid going P2W.

    You can't expect players NOT to want to change their appearance. Players now want to show off via looks, more than they care to show their skill in combat. How do you expect a studio to make money after developing a AAA (and maintaining it [both gameplay balance and hardeware], and making new content for it) without having more sources of income AND without going p2w?
    No AAA mmo has done that. Give it a rest. It's 2022.

    Well at no point did I say it shouldn't be done in any way shape or form. I obviously understand why it's present in most games, I just don't care for it.

    The sky is blue outside my window. What color is it where you are at rn? Since we just talk about meaningless stuff
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    Settite wrote: »
    I kinda agree with the sentiment but I will tell you something that I have said many times before.

    Mmos dont cost as little to develop as they used to 20-25 years ago. They need extra source of revenue to break even and maintain the quality of performance and content. Cosmetics and and looks are a great source of revenue, if not the best, if mmos want to avoid going P2W.

    You can't expect players NOT to want to change their appearance. Players now want to show off via looks, more than they care to show their skill in combat. How do you expect a studio to make money after developing a AAA (and maintaining it [both gameplay balance and hardeware], and making new content for it) without having more sources of income AND without going p2w?
    No AAA mmo has done that. Give it a rest. It's 2022.

    Well at no point did I say it shouldn't be done in any way shape or form. I obviously understand why it's present in most games, I just don't care for it.

    The sky is blue outside my window. What color is it where you are at rn? Since we just talk about meaningless stuff

    Cool story bro.
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    Definitely dislike it, I appreciate IS comment regarding making cosmetics as aesthetically pleasing as in game achievable, hopefully that means that the in game achievable are a distinguishable so when someone sees Nikr in his Dragon bone shard plate Legendary armor they know he got it from the recent world map boss spawn and not the shop.
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    I love it, saves me looking to gear for a specific look. To use an EQ example, Gates of Discord Fleshbiter, one of the best weapons in the game in era, worst graphic of any weapon in any game. Refused to use one based on that alone until the weapon skins made it functionally stomachable. I tend to pick a look I like for my character, weapons and armor included and never change it. 5 years down the road I look the same as I did at level 30 at level 110.
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    BlindsideBlindside Member
    edited December 2022
    I like mix and matching the skins from different armor and weapon pieces to make cool outfits, but the issue with this is the readability in combat can be poor if different gear pieces affect the way you play around them.

    Guild Wars 2 has an option called "Standard Models" (you can turn this setting on and off at any time for both enemies and allies) which makes everyone look like humans with basic armor for their respective armor weights. In the case of Ashes, they could make it so it displays the actual armor pieces instead of the reskinned versions.

    This is a good middle ground as it allows people to transmog while giving others the option to have additional clarity in combat if they choose.
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    HATE IT.

    @Vaknar please see this thread and take note of the sentiment.
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    I personally don't care for transmogs but I get other people like them and a game should be set up to allow an individual to play the way they want, within reason. The area I draw a hard line on transmogs is pvp. Gear identifies where your stats are at, possible special abilities and are a very important indicator of how to approach a fight. In that respect they should not be allowed at all. If transmogs are allowed (and we all know they will be so they can bring in money from the shitty monetization plan) then there should be a toggle to allow people to choose whether or not to see people transmogs or their real gear. I personally don't ever want to see tranmogs. Wear the real gear or gtfo.
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    Somewhat indifferent. I enjoy being able to tell what a player is wearing so I know what I am dealing with which makes me not want transmog. On the other hand I enjoy cosmetics and looking cool. As long as there is a way to measure the power level of gear of a target, I dont really mind transmog. BUT....I absolutely cannot stand out of place cosmetics and transmogs such as stufferton.
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    I agree with most of you. I think a nice middle ground could also be locking transmog to weapon type or armor type. I.e you can't transmog plate armor into a robe or and axe into a sword. I also like the idea of having a toggle that shows someone's actual gear instead of their transmogged gear, especially for pvp purposes.
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    They made this one day ago...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GXLVn73yRY

    ... then this thread was born :)
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    Strevi wrote: »
    They made this one day ago...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GXLVn73yRY

    ... then this thread was born :)

    Lol thats quite the coincidence. I'm unfamiliar with this YouTuber.
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    Quite dull to see only the 10ish BIS armor sets running around in the gameworld (worst case scenario here), so I kinda like transmog... BUT:

    There are so many different levels of "transmogification". A free for all exess clownfest is a big NO for me. With certain limitations on te other hand, I very much support it. Like only gear and weapons of your sklill/class wich you've looted before or something in that trend.
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    Anagrov wrote: »
    Quite dull to see only the 10ish BIS armor sets running around in the gameworld (worst case scenario here), so I kinda like transmog.
    But what if those BiS sets are so damn hard to acquire that seeing one in the wild is wonderous? And what if every new expansion adds those wonderous sets even before the decent minority of top lvl players were able to get their hands on the previous BiS gear?
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    That might be the case in a PvP only game. I highly doubt that's the case in this one. PvE means raiding content. Expect to be dealing with max raid geared characters, alot.

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    That might be the case in a PvP only game. I highly doubt that's the case in this one. PvE means raiding content. Expect to be dealing with max raid geared characters, alot.
    BiS gear will come from crafting that will require mats from open world bosses. Open world bosses means pvp, which means that only a select few will get their hands on best gear. And on top of that you'll need to repair said gear, which will decrease the overall quantity of the sets.

    So Ashes will be exactly the game where you will see BiS sets veeeery rarely. This is not fucking WoW where you can just sit in the same instanced dungeon until you drop what you need, w/o anyone else standing in your way.
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    AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    edited December 2022
    I like being able to customize my look, and transmog is one way to do it.

    By transmog, I assume you mean “get sword A as loot, then get sword B which has better stats but looks fugly, so make it look like sword A”. I’ve played games with extensive cosmetics but no transmog before, like Diablo Immortal (which I’m playing now). You can choose to show the gear you’re wearing, or a cosmetic skin that covers it, but you can’t make one piece of loot look like another.

    To me, transmog is something I don’t care about much. It can be cool to work to earn a piece of gear that has bad stats but fits a look you’re going for. But it’s not important to me either.

    This game has cosmetics, both full costumes and individual skins for pieces, so whether they also have transmogs or not isn’t a big deal to me.
     
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    If transmog is only about modifying the look of my gear to look like any other gear I've previously acquired, for the sake of having a coherent outfit: then I'm all for it.

    If you can transmog it to anything you haven't acquired, then I'm a little more iffy on it, but at the same time please note the following video (not the P2W portion):

    https://youtu.be/-GXLVn73yRY
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    It really depends by what you mean by transmog,

    -p2w cash shop gear - Awful

    -Cash shop stat-less cosmetic items - depends, if in game gear looks as good or better then I'm fine with it. if the cosmetics are better than in game gear I dislike it.

    -Changing in game gear with different in game gear I'm in favour of if I invested a lot of time on getting a relic or special rare weapon/piece of kit I don't want to not be able to wear it without shooting myself in the foot because it's no longer optimal.

    I generally don't care if the guy looks like he's wearing a lvl 35 gear set because they think it looks cool (or they want to smurf their gear) but they are actually rocking max level gear
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    TalentsTalents Member, Intrepid Pack
    I don't care if a game does or doesn't have transmog. It's not something that affects my opinion on the game at all.
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    AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    It really depends by what you mean by transmog,

    -p2w cash shop gear - Awful
    The term "transmog" is only ever used for appearances. There is no such thing as P2W cosmetics.
     
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    TyranthraxusTyranthraxus Member
    edited December 2022
    'Trans-mog' to me means be able to use mods, in order to make the game look/perform the way you want it to. Am fully against this, since there's usually a mod to make invisible/cloaked professions perfectly visible, to anyone using the mod.



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    Settite wrote: »
    Title.

    Transmog as in being able to change/control the appearance of my gear, or do you mean paid cosmetic shop appearances.
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    Settite wrote: »
    Title.

    Transmog as in being able to change/control the appearance of my gear, or do you mean paid cosmetic shop appearances.

    What are your thoughts on both? I was just curious to know where most people stood on this subject.
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    AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    'Trans-mog' to me means be able to use mods, in order to make the game look/perform the way you want it to. Am fully against this, since there's usually a mod to make invisible/cloaked professions perfectly visible, to anyone using the mod.




    You can decide that you want to call bananas "strawberries", but don't be upset if the strawberry milkshake you order doesn't taste the way you expect.

    Transmog has an accepted definition in the MMO world, and it doesn't fit yours.
     
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