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I don't care for transmog. And i the minority? Where do you stand on it?

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  • superhero6785superhero6785 Member, Alpha Two
    I like transmog only for things you've found in game. I hate being able to buy cosmetics. Half the fun of an MMO is finding amazing looking gear, not just powerful gear. IMO - cosmetic is "pay to win" also, since looking cool is winning :smile:
  • TheDarkSorcererTheDarkSorcerer Member, Alpha Two
    All for transmog. It's here to stay.
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  • Settite wrote: »
    Lol thats quite the coincidence. I'm unfamiliar with this YouTuber.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxfLnYlT5ts

    They done one more :)
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  • SirChancelotSirChancelot Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited December 2022
    Settite wrote: »
    Settite wrote: »
    Title.

    Transmog as in being able to change/control the appearance of my gear, or do you mean paid cosmetic shop appearances.

    What are your thoughts on both? I was just curious to know where most people stood on this subject.

    Being able to control my appearance. 100% for. I actually love the xmog system in wow it's a lot of fun to go back and farm old content to collect different looks.
    Paid cosmetics, not as much of a fan.
    A.) I think they should be used more sparingly, unlike intrepids a new one each month.
    B.) as long as you can't buy in game appearances so you can avoid having to go do stuff in game. Which they have said is the case so I'm ok with them existing.
  • ELRYNOELRYNO Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Personally I am a big advocate for "Visual Progression" as opposed to pay and display. For quite some time I've had the opinion that transmog viewing should be "toggled" on or off by those viewing you. It greatly aids peoples ability to distinguish whether the individual is going to be a threat, particularly if you cannot see their health or level, atleast in my opinion.

    I do however understand how difficult it is for MMO's to make a crust & therefore accept it is going to be included in most games in order for cosmetic items to be purchased and used by the community.
  • RabbleRabbleRabbleRabbleRabbleRabble Member, Alpha Two
    Atama wrote: »
    It really depends by what you mean by transmog,

    -p2w cash shop gear - Awful
    The term "transmog" is only ever used for appearances. There is no such thing as P2W cosmetics.

    Ok so like when the description for this months package of the Ice Ship says:

    " Icebreakers have three traits that most normal ships lack: a strengthened hull, an ice-clearing shape, and the power to push through sea ice."

    Thats just lore?
  • AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited December 2022
    Atama wrote: »
    It really depends by what you mean by transmog,

    -p2w cash shop gear - Awful
    The term "transmog" is only ever used for appearances. There is no such thing as P2W cosmetics.

    Ok so like when the description for this months package of the Ice Ship says:

    " Icebreakers have three traits that most normal ships lack: a strengthened hull, an ice-clearing shape, and the power to push through sea ice."

    Thats just lore?

    Yes. Because it’s only a cosmetic skin. It doesn’t even give you a boat, you need to get one first. Anything that implies power is just a story to make it sound cool.

    If that’s misleading, that’s on the marketing team for possibly confusing players into thinking they’re getting more than they are.

    See here:

    https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Cosmetic_store

    “All skin cosmetic items are cosmetic items only and do not grant the user any other benefit. The lore text is flavor text, and background of the creatures and items in the world of Verra.”
     
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  • I like transmog. I love mix-matching with different armor skins and I want to be able to dress my characters in whatever fashion I like. I really don't want to be stuck with some armor that I don't like the look of just because it has really good stats.
    I don't care about showing off hard attainable armors, I only care about what I think look good on my character.
  • IzilIzil Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Transmog is epic and cool!
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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited December 2022
    I am fashion over function, so...
    I love transmog.
    I prefer to keep a signature appearance - if we need to upgrade stats by swapping gear, that's OK, but... I still want to maintain the signature appearance of my outfit/costume... similar to Batman, Wonder Woman or Gandalf.
    Not really a fan of "Ultimate Shoulders Gandalf".

    And I hate seeing mix-matched, clashing outfits cobbled together from what individual gamers consider to be BiS gear. Cover that shit up with some awesome transmogs.
  • AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Dygz wrote: »
    I prefer to keep a signature appearance - if we need to upgrade stats by swapping gear, that's OK, but... I still want to maintain the signature appearance of my outfit/costume... similar to Batman, Wonder Woman or Gandalf.
    Not really a fan of "Ultimate Shoulders Gandalf".

    Yes yes yes. That is my main reason for cosmetic items/transmog.

    Do you know how hard it was for me to get a decent pair of pants in WoW for my Cleric? I did not want to be a bathrobe wonder.
     
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  • Transmog is the worst. I understand the reason people like it, but it takes away the novelty of collecting armor sets and their unique artwork if you can just override them.
  • I'm not sure that I care either way, as long as they don't have ridiculous looking sets to mog cuz then I feel it would break immersion and RP elements too much.

    TBH, from what I've seen of the early state of mounts I already felt like some were over the top and that made me concerned about the direction mogging will go. But I know a lot of people also liked the early mount designs, so...
  • VillefortVillefort Member, Alpha Two
    hmm...I am neutral. I never had time to be bothered with it. But there were people who were obsessed with it.

    I'd say having it as an option for players doesn't hurt...especially if you have to OWN the item that you're copying the design. This way you don't have people running around with epic looking gear that never even owned it in the first place.

    so just to me, having it in the game doesn't hurt. People can choose to do it or not...I'd personally choose not because I have other things to do in game lol

    But...with the use of AI image generation like Midjourney...there is no longer an excuse for subpar looking gear from developers. You can literally get an AI to make all kinds of epic looking gear as a design based on your input criteria...
  • JamieKaosJamieKaos Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I really don't get why people are so bothered by transmogs, cosmetics I kind of get but I don't understand why people get upset about people using appearances of gear that they have already earned.

    If you have a set you really like but it doesn't have the stats you want who cars, how does that break your immersion?

    Also I know for a fact none of you are going to a see a set and know exactly how to counter the set bonuses or stats.

    Why exactly about it do you hate. Other than not liking that other people enjoy it.

    I've never seen a solid argument as to why transmogs are bad other than someone whining that they don't like seeing other people in different gear sets and that argument is so God damn weak.

    It literally comes down to just wanting to dictate how other people enjoy their gaming experience on something that really doesn't make a difference at all.

    It's cosmetic, no stat enchantments, not pay to win and it always seems to come down to others upset that they don't have the disposable income to get the neat fake item others can get.

    Intrepid has also stated that in-game armor and earnable cosmetics will always look better or on par with in store items.

    Further more, if the current cosmetic on the alpha and beta packs look better than in-game I honestly don't care, it's a way for people to show that they have supported the game during development. It's like having a badge or title as a founder and why shouldn't early backers have something awesome to show for it?
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  • SongcallerSongcaller Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Some people hate cosmetics and transmogs because they can't or fear to fight the unknown. Hence why we are stuck with an armour tag.
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  • The pushback seems to come hardest from the PvP crowd. I assume the ganking end of said crowd. They want to know for certain the green gatherer they want to harvest isn't actually a fully raid geared character that doesn't like to look flashy. They want risk, but not when harvesting the greens. But that's just my assumption, and you know what they say about assumptions.
    AITA?
    yes, yes I am, but i don't think this is why.
  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    The pushback seems to come hardest from the PvP crowd. I assume the ganking end of said crowd. They want to know for certain the green gatherer they want to harvest isn't actually a fully raid geared character that doesn't like to look flashy. They want risk, but not when harvesting the greens. But that's just my assumption, and you know what they say about assumptions.
    Some of us want the exact opposite. I want to see a good enemy and go challenge them instead of some fucking rich 60y.o who bought himself a pretty cosmetic and is just picking flowers under a tree.
  • SongcallerSongcaller Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    It's the pve crowd more than the pvp crowd. The pve crowd want to know when to give corruption and when to fight back. There's an old thread about this which is very clear on the facet.
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  • JamieKaos wrote: »
    I've never seen a solid argument as to why transmogs are bad other than someone whining that they don't like seeing other people in different gear sets and that argument is so God damn weak.

    It literally comes down to just wanting to dictate how other people enjoy their gaming experience on something that really doesn't make a difference at all.

    I don't care one way or another. I'm just playing devil's advocate. It's an MMORPG for a reason. Some people care about the RP part a lot. Mogging has definitely gotten out of hand in some other games

  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    JamieKaos wrote: »
    Also I know for a fact none of you are going to a see a set and know exactly how to counter the set bonuses or stats.
    I come from a pvp game where you knew exactly how to counter every single set out there, because you had to and because they all looked unique on each different race/sex/class of characters.

    And it also had the same flagging/corruption system as Ashes will. And when you saw someone running towards you, you could tell at a glance what their rough powerlvl was, so you'd also know how you'd measure up to them if they were to attack you. And sometimes you'd make the first attack purely to ward them off of you and make them run past you instead of engaging.

    And while what Neurath said is partly true, iirc Art of War said "Know your enemy". And when you're playing a pvp game (a massive one at that), pretty much everyone around you could be your enemy, so not seeing their danger lvls at a glance is bad imo.

    Yes, we'll have the buff icon for what your target is wearing, but that is nowhere close to sightreading that information. And when you're against literal hundreds of people during a siege or just during a guild/node war - knowing your preferred targets benefits both sides.

    Which is another point btw, knowing what the opponent is wearing works for both sides, while transmogs only serve those who use them.
  • My take is let ppl look however they want, as long as the item is available in the game, there's no reason to restrict ppl from using a graphic they like for their personal avatar. This includes everything from Heavy plate wizards to 90% naked tanks. If the items available It's fair game.
    I'd suggest chicken suits not be added, but if the devs do so, then they do it knowing trolls are gonna troll. If you want a way to calculate gearscore at a glance, so you don't get ganked or reverse thrashed, that's a different argument, maybe a color con system that takes gearscore into account instead of just the usual level.
  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    If you want a way to calculate gearscore at a glance, so you don't get ganked or reverse thrashed, that's a different argument, maybe a color con system that takes gearscore into account instead of just the usual level.
    Imo gearscore is exactly what came out of the transmog system and I dislike it too. Games that rely on purely vertical power are bad (imo). The game's gotta be more diagonal B)
  • mcstackersonmcstackerson Member, Phoenix Initiative, Royalty, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    NiKr wrote: »
    Yes, we'll have the buff icon for what your target is wearing, but that is nowhere close to sightreading that information. And when you're against literal hundreds of people during a siege or just during a guild/node war - knowing your preferred targets benefits both sides.

    My issue with this is crafters can customize the stats, passives, and set abilities on a piece of gear so you will have pieces of gear that looks the same in game but have completely different benefits.

    You also won't know the abilities and augments someone has chosen just by looking at their class or the tattoos they are using to modify their attributes.

    Yes, in other games, you might be able to get more information from visuals but in ashes, even without transmog, visuals don't mean much.
  • I'm not a fan of being able to tell at a glance either. Was simply offering a different option to solve one of the supposed problems with Mogs. I do think you should be able to inspect ppl, within striking distance, not from range. And make a decision then if combat is worth the risk.
    I will never play a game that makes me look like a peacock in order to be powerful, and I doubt I'm alone here.
  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    My issue with this is crafters can customize the stats, passives, and set abilities on a piece of gear so you will have pieces of gear that looks the same in game but have completely different benefits.

    You also won't know the abilities and augments someone has chosen just by looking at their class or the tattoos they are using to modify their attributes.
    We don't know the full extent of crafting freedom, but yeah that could be a point towards transmog.

    And as for abilities and augments, I'm almost sure that there'll be certain gear that works best with particular builds. At which point it'd be about your knowledge of builds and combinations that would give you the upper hand. And unless a crafter can change literally the entire stat/effect side of any given piece of gear - you'll still have most likely builds when you see some gear pieces/sets. But at that stage, what is even the point of transmog if you can literally change your preferred gear's stats and effects to whatever you want and just use that.
  • mcstackersonmcstackerson Member, Phoenix Initiative, Royalty, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    NiKr wrote: »
    My issue with this is crafters can customize the stats, passives, and set abilities on a piece of gear so you will have pieces of gear that looks the same in game but have completely different benefits.

    You also won't know the abilities and augments someone has chosen just by looking at their class or the tattoos they are using to modify their attributes.
    We don't know the full extent of crafting freedom, but yeah that could be a point towards transmog.

    And as for abilities and augments, I'm almost sure that there'll be certain gear that works best with particular builds. At which point it'd be about your knowledge of builds and combinations that would give you the upper hand. And unless a crafter can change literally the entire stat/effect side of any given piece of gear - you'll still have most likely builds when you see some gear pieces/sets. But at that stage, what is even the point of transmog if you can literally change your preferred gear's stats and effects to whatever you want and just use that.

    Transmoging is an easier way to customize appearance than making a crafter re-craft an item. It also makes it so appearances can be something the player can collect instead of making the crafter collect them.
  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    Transmoging is an easier way to customize appearance than making a crafter re-craft an item. It also makes it so appearances can be something the player can collect instead of making the crafter collect them.
    If you've received an item to enable its transmog, then you can probably get it through crafting already (that is, you have the means to get it). And I think it'd be beneficial for the game to socialize people through the crafting process (kinda already the case), so if you can get your preferred item and you have the connections with crafters that could make this item have the stats you want - why not do that?

    I guess there's the case of someone liking a low lvl item visual instead of literally all high lvl items, but I dunno how many people would be that way.
  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Iridianny wrote: »
    Transmog is the worst. I understand the reason people like it, but it takes away the novelty of collecting armor sets and their unique artwork if you can just override them.
    I don't see how it takes anything away if you can use those unique sets as a transmog.
    In WoW, the transmogs I use for my alts are from sets I have acquired through gameplay.
  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    NiKr wrote: »
    Which is another point btw, knowing what the opponent is wearing works for both sides, while transmogs only serve those who use them.
    Uh... no.
    Transmogs are a much appreciated courtesy from other players - so I don't have to be subjected to the torture of fugly, mis-matched "BiS gear".
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