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I love paying almost $400 and we can’t even get ballpark estimate on alpha and beta release dates…

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I partially agree that allowing yourself to sell $400 cosmectics for a game that you don't know the release date (even approximately), can be interpreted as a scam.

It doesn't mean that it is a scam, but we have to understand those who think it is

. I don't think it's a scam but I won't buy cosmetics for 400$.

Nerror

myk wrote: »

The biggest turn off for me so far, is not the year and a half with no roadmap update... its the toxic fanboys who refuse to allow anyone to voice any opinion other than pathetic fawning over Intrepid.

The OP came in with a snarky and edgy comment that is either extremely uninformed or a deliberate troll attempt (or both). Either way it brings nothing of value to the forum here. It's clearly not a good-faith attempt to express their opinion, even if it's only based on ignorance and not on malice. You are not really doing yourself any favour trying to defend it, but you do you I guess.

A good-faith attempt based on ignorance would be more like:

I am super fucking frustrated that I spent $375 on getting A2 access and they haven't released any sort of roadmap yet. Why don't they do that?

That could lead to an actual constructive discussion about why they aren't releasing roadmaps and dates, and the pros and cons of it, and the OP could even learn from it.

It looks like you aren't super active on the forums, so maybe you haven't seen all the criticisms of the game and intrepid that occur regularly here, that has actual constructive discussions. I can see you have a couple of takes on this game, equating it to star citizen in terms of financing and never releasing, and how the game will somehow be obsolete by the time it releases. I think those are hilariously bad takes that are easily taken apart, but even those opinions of yours aren't presented as badly and pointlessly as the OP does here.

There have been many posts like the OP here where it's clear they are either trolling or haven't spent even a minute looking into how the open game development works. It's nothing new, and I am sure we'll see more if it.

As for the roadmap, not even Steven knows when A2 is ready. I am sure they have goals and target dates, but they'd be morons for releasing them to the public, because they can change from day to day, and many people are incapable of forgiving any sort of delays.

Dygz

Myosotys wrote: »

It doesn't mean that it is a scam, but we have to understand those who think it is . I don't think it's a scam but I won't buy cosmetics for 400$.

You aren't buying cosmetics for $400. $400 means you are serious enough about testing the game rather than just playing the game to participate in the development by submitting bugs during Alpha and Beta.

TheDarkSorcerer

novercalis wrote: »

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

Pandemic had 0 negative affect on gaming industry. Internally as well. Switching to UE5 speeds up process.

Hiring Process, cause they were still looking for a lot of people during this time. Also working from Home which there is many empirical data showing productivity is less vs at office.
I dont ever recall them saying it speed up the process.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Unreal_Engine_5

In Fact - all it did was "save time" had it done later and rebuilding anything bugs, etc.
It didnt effect back end stuff but did effect front end, which was small now to pull the trigger, as opposed to later.

"Over October and November, that's when McP and the engineers began to do the base migration of our custom code-base into UE5 see where there were any major issues."

Which we are not privy to know if they ran into any major issues. But to say this had no timeline effect - i call bull.

Q: How does this upgrade to UE5 affect the Ashes of Creation release timeline?[4]

A: While UE4 is a great engine, there are certain focuses and technological endeavors that Epic is doing on UE5 that won't necessarily be supported by UE4; and we want to make sure given the lifespan of Ashes and how long we intend this MMO to last, that when we made this decision early on during the development process that we weren't going to exacerbate the amount of effort it would take to move over later in the lifespan or after launch.

Completely false. Hiring was booming during pandemic to the fact that many companies was over-hiring. Hence the major layoffs we are seeing across the country right now.

There is no data showing less productivity WFH. Completely false. A quick Google search will tell you WFH have increased productivity. Please don't push that narrative. It's harmful actually.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/glebtsipursky/2022/11/03/workers-are-less-productive-working-remotely-at-least-thats-what-their-bosses-think/?sh=4017dd62286a
https://www.apollotechnical.com/working-from-home-productivity-statistics/

UE5 definitely speeds up process of world building as UE5 let designers work in sync and helps their workflow. They don't have to switch back n forth from Zbrush, they can keep everything in engine. It is also much more viable for performance and don't cause as many limitations.
This video explains it;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23GSdvV1dB0

Myosotys

Dygz wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

It doesn't mean that it is a scam, but we have to understand those who think it is . I don't think it's a scam but I won't buy cosmetics for 400$.

You aren't buying cosmetics for $400. $400 means you are serious enough about testing the game rather than just playing the game to participate in the development by submitting bugs during Alpha and Beta.

Then it doesn't look very serious to pay 400$ to work as an Alpha-beta tester

Voxtrium

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

Completely false. Hiring was booming during pandemic to the fact that many companies was over-hiring. Hence the major layoffs we are seeing across the country right now.

Regardless of macroeconomics... WFH changed what was going on in the corporate environment, IS does not WFH, all of their jobs are in office only jobs. So it is likely WFH changed the landscape for IS development plan, most likely setting it back considering their hiring desires.

novercalis

Depraved wrote: »

im sure alpha 2 will be out before summer. it seems IS finished building the things they needed to build before building "the game", and alpha 2 wont be feature complete at start anyways, so they don't have to finish the whole game before alpha 2

I had thought summer several months ago. With the last 3 streams - I got the notion we will not be getting A2 this year, or at the very best, End of year Dec (and that might just be an announcement).

There is still a lot of mechanics/systems showcase that hasnt been shown off, explained, reviewed. There is easily more than 12 dev showcases to cover for this year.
In the end - I don't expect full release until 2027 which would make it 10 years in production - the avg standard making an mmo. If we are lucky, 2026 release, winter 2025 beta 2, summer 2025 beta 1, winter 2024 alpha 2

novercalis

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

novercalis wrote: »

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

Pandemic had 0 negative affect on gaming industry. Internally as well. Switching to UE5 speeds up process.

Hiring Process, cause they were still looking for a lot of people during this time. Also working from Home which there is many empirical data showing productivity is less vs at office.
I dont ever recall them saying it speed up the process.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Unreal_Engine_5

In Fact - all it did was "save time" had it done later and rebuilding anything bugs, etc.
It didnt effect back end stuff but did effect front end, which was small now to pull the trigger, as opposed to later.

"Over October and November, that's when McP and the engineers began to do the base migration of our custom code-base into UE5 see where there were any major issues."

Which we are not privy to know if they ran into any major issues. But to say this had no timeline effect - i call bull.

Q: How does this upgrade to UE5 affect the Ashes of Creation release timeline?[4]

A: While UE4 is a great engine, there are certain focuses and technological endeavors that Epic is doing on UE5 that won't necessarily be supported by UE4; and we want to make sure given the lifespan of Ashes and how long we intend this MMO to last, that when we made this decision early on during the development process that we weren't going to exacerbate the amount of effort it would take to move over later in the lifespan or after launch.

Completely false. Hiring was booming during pandemic to the fact that many companies was over-hiring. Hence the major layoffs we are seeing across the country right now.

There is no data showing less productivity WFH. Completely false. A quick Google search will tell you WFH have increased productivity. Please don't push that narrative. It's harmful actually.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/glebtsipursky/2022/11/03/workers-are-less-productive-working-remotely-at-least-thats-what-their-bosses-think/?sh=4017dd62286a
https://www.apollotechnical.com/working-from-home-productivity-statistics/

UE5 definitely speeds up process of world building as UE5 let designers work in sync and helps their workflow. They don't have to switch back n forth from Zbrush, they can keep everything in engine. It is also much more viable for performance and don't cause as many limitations.
This video explains it; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23GSdvV1dB0

watch the dev streams during the pandemic year - they werent hiring as many during this time.

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UE5 - IT SAVED THEM TIME making the move early as opposed later. But that MOVE took time from the initial roadmap they had.

Voxtrium

novercalis wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

im sure alpha 2 will be out before summer. it seems IS finished building the things they needed to build before building "the game", and alpha 2 wont be feature complete at start anyways, so they don't have to finish the whole game before alpha 2

I had thought summer several months ago. With the last 3 streams - I got the notion we will not be getting A2 this year, or at the very best, End of year Dec (and that might just be an announcement).

There is still a lot of mechanics/systems showcase that hasnt been shown off, explained, reviewed. There is easily more than 12 dev showcases to cover for this year.
In the end - I don't expect full release until 2027 which would make it 10 years in production - the avg standard making an mmo. If we are lucky, 2026 release, winter 2025 beta 2, summer 2025 beta 1, winter 2024 alpha 2

100% disagree, this timeline does not correlate with stephens statement in past streams regarding alpha 2. Stephen stated in the past that Alpha 2 would not be the game with full features. Yes theres easily 12 more streams, but no they don't need to be before the Alpha, 2, Stephen stated the Alpha will be near once the phrase "Alpha 2" was consistently used in streams, they started using it consistently 3 months ago, putting a logical alpha 6 months from now with an announcement in 3 months and definitive indicators over the next 2 months. Lastly Stephen stated that the Alpha will be persistent till launch, makes no sense for him to go back on that now and lastly, to have an alpha that is not feature complete only last 6 months is silly, Alpha 2 will be a testing phase that likely last for 18 months before the Beta 1 and 2 servers come online for 1 month each with a 1 month break between to allow for polishing and finally the game an additional month after that.

So basically Alpha 2 this year probably summer is their goal, maybe late summer/fall, then 2024 summer
(if all went well) we can start to look for those beta announcements, if its rough then it'll be up to 2 years. The final note to remember is that IS is hiring like madmen, they are expanding their capabilities, our current pace of development is not our future one.

Dygz

Hahaha!
We'll see. But, mentioning Alpha 2 consistently will not be the hint.
Expect at least 4+ months of a flash screen that says Alpha 2 Preview.

The goal for release was "before 2020". So, the dev team "goals" are irrelevant with regard to dates.
Which is precisely why they don't share their roadmap publicly.

Marcet

Ask for a good game not for release dates...

Myosotys

Marcet wrote: »

Ask for a good game not for release dates...

Agree with you, the quality of the game is much more important than the release date. But the OP questioned the credibility and efficiency of making sales based on no release date, no deadlines.

With a more precise and solid roadmap, the pre-sales would certainly explode and everyone would be happy)

CptBrownBeard

Myosotys wrote: »

With a more precise and solid roadmap, the pre-sales would certainly explode and everyone would be happy)

"Precise" and "roadmap" would be an oxymoron in Intrepid's case, though. Not to mention "everyone" and "happy."

Noaani

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

There is no data showing less productivity WFH. Completely false. A quick Google search will tell you WFH have increased productivity. Please don't push that narrative. It's harmful actually.

Any study in which someone that is using a mouse juggler is considered productive should probably be ignored.

The only metric for measuring actual productivity of a worker is in their work output. So far, no study has actually attempted to measure this.

Your claim that there is no data is false - there is simply no public data. I have piles of data on my teams productivity over the last few years, and even before that, with regards to how well they perform on different task types in the office vs the same tasks at home.

However, this data is commercially sensitive.

Not surprisingly, the only people with access to this data are employers and senior management. Employers stand to make or lose money based on the productivity of their staff, and most employers are trying to get people back in the office.

Now, if you think the people with both the data and the financial incentive to keep employees productive are wrong, yet the people without the data and who are currently working from home and want to keep that easy life going are right (people writing the above articles, people essentially faking studies etc), then more power to you.

LeoTheElder

FYI: Hogwarts is releasing shortly. Just saying...

Songcaller

I've seen some stuff on the legacy game. Is it an mmo?

LeoTheElder

No. Single player. Regardless I want to get to do play something enjoyable before the new year ends!

Songcaller

Why is there a dueling area if its single player? Major Confusion in the Barmy Army.

LeoTheElder

No idea. Sorry. Ask me again in March!

Gui10

Flucke wrote: »

I love paying almost $400 and we can’t even get ballpark estimate on alpha and beta release dates…

bruh. Do you buy a mystery box and ask to know what's in it?

Are you ok?

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