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Our quickest Alpha Two updates are in Discord. Testers with Alpha Two access can chat in Alpha Two channels by connecting your Discord and Intrepid accounts here.
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It’s astonishing to me that some people can’t comprehend that Ashes of Creation is a product, and Steven isn’t solely funding the game, and he intends to get back any amount of money ten-fold of what he invested into the development of this game once it launches. Its also a shame that people don’t understand that these forums exist for us to discuss the game, its development, and any concerns we have. Just because people have the nerve to actually use the forum for what its made for, doesn’t mean they are acting entitled.
Fair points, I can agree with you. Though personally, I think bringing up any concern major or small, is always worth discussing so that the developers know what’s on our minds (assuming they read the forum posts). I also think that voicing concerns about potential let downs is important, because being its easier to avoid something than it is to fix it. If everyone waits till its too late to say “Hey I don’t like this.” Then well, it’ll be too late.
Edit: didn’t end quote
This kind of mindset is so diametrically opposed to YOUR own interests. You are also a customer. We are in this together. Interpid wants feedback all the time. I'm simply giving my perspective and advocating for the consumer. I don't understand why people are so dismissive of forum members simply criticizing Intrepid about anything. Criticism is necessary and appreciated.
A customer? You are playing videogames mate. You are not hiring contractors to build your home.
Talk about core designs and we can have a discussion.
Cast doubt on the integrity of the development because they did not include crossbows and potion launchers, and Ill laught at you.
yeah the tulnar doing the killing on the other races :P pesky invaders coming back to tulnars lands :P
We are customers, we’re they buyers of this product. People don’t make games and charge you a fee (monthly/box/cash shop) for charity. They will make a return on investment.
You can feel free to laugh, because i’m laughing at anyone who feels the need to demean those of us who understand the value of constructive feedback. Try to be more like the people here who are able to disagree while maintaining a healthy conversation and attitude.
Thank you
Yes, George's delivery can be brusque at times ... but his point is still valid.
Drawing a conclusion (that other promised features might go missing) may be crossing the line from "constructive feedback" over to "slippery slope".
That's how the OP was framed at least.
Axes (One and two handed).
Bows.
Clubs.
Daggers.
Hammers.
Lances.
Maces (One and two handed).
Orbs.
Polearms/Halberds.
Scepters.
Shields.
Spears (One-handed).
Spellbooks.
Staves.
Swords/Rapiers (One and two handed).
Wands.
Interestingly, out of those 16 options, there are only 5 (marked in bold) that I can see that will offer ranged abilities. Unless other weapons are also being given ranged options. (like throwing daggers and axes or significant gap closers and leap attacks)
Yeah, and unfortunately only one out of those 5 seems to be for the archer class, the rest are for mages. I think they will have different types of bows (longbows/shortbows), but those options are still pretty limiting. I assume the archer primary class is supposed to mainly focus on ranged attacks.
Non mmorpgs:
Path of Exile I believe (been awhile since i’ve played), you can use any weapon and spec your character however you want.
Dark and Darker rogues can use rapiers
Mabinogi is an mmorpg, there are no classes and you have to use a certain weapon for certain skills, but you can equip whatever weapon and efficiently switch between different “classes” in combat.
But no, I can’t think of any mmos that allow the player choice I have mentioned.
Just because there aren’t any mmos (that I know of) with classes that don’t have class locked weapons, doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be. Can’t break the mold if they use the same mold every other game uses. So honestly i’m not sure why it matters if there aren’t any.
And my point here is that archers aren't the only ones that are limited in their RP weaponry. No one's gonna stop you from just using other weapons, but if you wanna get the best out of your class - you gotta use its main weapon. Just as the tank showcase was laughed at because it didn't have a shield on the tank for the first half of the video, the absolute majority of archers/rogues would be laughed at if they didn't use their main weapons.
Though considering that even the fighter in Ashes has that magic hammer that appears out of nowhere, I'd imagine that other classes will have magic-based attacks that don't really require any specific weapon too. And with a proper set of augments, there'd have to be at least one viable build that uses those abilities with some non-main weapon. You'll still probably get laughed at if you go down that route though.
This is incorrect. It was a stretch goal for Intrepid, not a Kickstarter stretch goal. It's akin to Intrepid's goal to have 500v500 battles, even though they would be ok with 250v250 wars. They sold some cosmetics for crossbows during APOC and are refunding the embers spent. I think if anything, they should refund the money as well, it can't be much. But it really isn't as big a deal, or a sign that they'll betray the Kickstarter backers.
They probably felt that a crossbow would necessitate a number of new skills or a new class. It isn't that Intrepid can't easily make a couple new skills. It's that each new skill comes with 32 augments, and the design team probably decided the cost benefit of launching with crossbows wasn't worth it. It's probably easier for Intrepid to do a full refund for crossbow cosmetics than it would cost them in dev time to make crossbow a weapon.
What did you buy?
How is your feedback constructive? You act as if the game isn't in development. You act as if you have purchased something and they tricked you.
So every time that IS makes such minor changes should people come here and discredit the transparent development? Again, you are playing a video game. You are not hiring lawyers, doctors, builders, you are not travelling with a plane, you are deluded if you think that a studio "must be held accountable to the playerbase" when they are in the process of designing a game because they decided not to include damn crossbows.
It's not like they removed the class system
It's not like they removed crafting, leveling, questing, pvping, They decided not to implement a weapon that never existed. Get over it, you ain't got no constructive criticism.
What is there to criticize? What is your feedback? "I want crossbows in the game" ?
"You made a change without our approval" ?
"You didn't consider my feelings or my placed trust"?
Seriously, go read what you signed up for....... and give it a rest.
Thank you for your help clearing that up, because I couldn't find any evidence that it was a Kickstarter stretch goal and was confused.
I see your point now. You’re right there will 100% be a ‘meta’ weapon type for each class to use to maximize its potential. Even so, I still want the ability to make some ridiculous build and get laughed at for it, and I want there to be the possibility of someone making some funky build that ends up actually being viable. This level of customization really adds to the rp, and also potential fun interactions. Maybe I wanna be a dwarf mage that uses a club, it does terribly magic damage but its hilarious. More reasonable builds would be something like a rogue using a dagger offhand and short sword mainhand. Or an off tank that uses a two-handed axe.
Dude, I don’t know why you’re so angry and acting so aggressively towards people with different opinions than you. Literally no one is saying any of these things you said we are. Your first comment was chill, but then you started acting rude. I can also tell you didn’t even read my original post, or if you did you missed the point of it entirely. I’m just going to stop responding to you because you need to get off your high horse and go cool down.
In EQ2 at release, a rogue would use a short sword in their main hand, and a dagger in their off hand. It wasn't restricted to this, but it was the most common weapon combination.
There were also some lower level rogues using clubs, whips. The game also kind of moved away from that a bit as time went on as well. One of the games two Rogue classes had as their Epic Weapon (if you could get it, you would use it without question) a double bladed sword with particle effect squid tentacles coming off the top blade. Looked kind of cool for it's time.
I would submit that the best argument to try and get Intrepid to spend development time to implement something would be to give them MORE ways in which that work will get used, not fewer ways in which it will get used.
We will see crossbows at some point in the future. Intrepid have said they want to add new content every 3 months or so post launch.
Yeah. I wouldn't disagree. I feel the core concepts are still protected but there will still be surprises. Open development can be difficult for everyone. At least we are free to express all of our emotions lol.
He wasn't offended by anything.
No, they were clearly offended by the meme I sent. It’s why they responded the way they did. I sent the meme because their little comment about the word archer was random as hell and amused me.
There was nothing in their post to suggest offense.
The fact that you claim to have seen it kind of says you posted that picture in an attempt to cause some sort of offense.
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