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Imposed PvP and ganking
NoxVost
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Hi dear community,
I have the question about known so far game mechanics related to PvP.
People are different, and making their fun on different stuff. Killing another players is some kind of fun for them. What can stop an organised group of top PvP players from ganking everything around and thus ruining game experience for everybody around? They are good in PvP, they are seasoned and organised - so no single/casual player or ad-hoc groups can do anything to them. For sure GMs won't babysitting casual players, so there must be some kind of game mechanic which stop group asocial behaviour.
Needless to say that casual players are the base for every MMO game - they are many, they pay subscription to devs and they make the game live.
I have the question about known so far game mechanics related to PvP.
People are different, and making their fun on different stuff. Killing another players is some kind of fun for them. What can stop an organised group of top PvP players from ganking everything around and thus ruining game experience for everybody around? They are good in PvP, they are seasoned and organised - so no single/casual player or ad-hoc groups can do anything to them. For sure GMs won't babysitting casual players, so there must be some kind of game mechanic which stop group asocial behaviour.
Needless to say that casual players are the base for every MMO game - they are many, they pay subscription to devs and they make the game live.
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The flagging system
you can flag as non-combatant but it wont protect you or make you immune to pvp. It just gives the attacker corruption which puts a target on them and can be looted by any player currently. Flagging non-combatant does make immune to CC though.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_flagging
Sure I know about flagging system, and it won't work as described in Wiki.
First of all, if I do not react on assault (== not flagging myself) I have larger chance to drop items from inventory
Second, and most important - the level of "redness" is some kind of honor level for such PvPers - the more red they are, the better.
There's been lots of these threads on the forums.
I'm positive people will complain regardless if they're flagged or not situationally.
Design goal is to encourage "safety" in numbers and co-operation.
you can even use hardcore gank fest games like Mortal Online as an example, thats not a thing, sure, theres small groups of gankers and random PKers, but most large guilds are "blue" and dont care about ganking random players, they have objectives, and there is space for different players, so this is a non-issue and a concern not based on reality,
reality is: there has never been a PvP MMORPG that was ruined because of ganking or open-world pvp, its always the p2w, the design decisions and other issues that end up ruining these games, so don't worry, if Ashes delivers and its a good game, it will succeed, but ofc, not everyone is the target audience, but thats a different story
Pvp players will hate the grind back to being "viable"
And pve players will hate it because pvp players will still kill you.
Both sides have to deal with it.
Hi dear community,
I have the question about known so far game mechanics related to PvE.
People are different, and making their fun on different stuff. Killing mobs is some kind of fun for them. What can stop an organised group of top PvE players from killing everything around and thus ruining game experience for everybody around? They are good in PvE, they are seasoned and organised - so no single/casual player or ad-hoc groups can do anything to them. For sure GMs won't babysitting casual players, so there must be some kind of game mechanic which stop group asocial behaviour.
Needless to say that casual players are the base for every MMO game - they are many, they pay subscription to devs and they make the game live.
lets also stop imposed PVE
lol ncsoft removed the corruption penalties in l2 essence. you can basically kill anyone with no consequences xDDD
Yes. Too bad that corruption system wasn't replicated
Never played Albion, however have 6 years of EVE behind my shoulders. All the time the population of secure Hi-Secs is muuuch bigger than low/null-secs. This means that player have fun most the time in safe harbour, going unsafe only from time to time
Marked your name
Acceptance. Accept the fact that someone’s going to kill you and you either learn to just die, fight back, or quit the game.
you forgot option 4....
mass complain at launch or during alpha 2 with like minded people and use the excuse you're a patron until you get what you want lol
Obviously a joke but in reality it's what happens.
Once you implement something, you cant go backwards with it, usually forwards. The drama on the forums of similar discussions and results prove this is definitely plausible.
Just read the threads about flagging, freehold looting, player looting, AC vs TT, floaty combat. It's all there haha
I still cant believe the studio made this huge promise about anti-botting and what not then go around and say they'll allow multi boxing... blew my mind when they announced it. I guess multi-boxing guarantees more active subscriptions.
Being very specific here: Nothing. It is technically possible to do and it is therefore intended to happen in the game. HOWEVER: While it is an intentional part of the game Intrepid agree that this falls into the category of what I will now call "non-constructive gameplay". Therefore overpowering non-consenting players in PvP accumulates corruption which decreases the killers fighting potential, decreases access to NPC services, increases the death penalty for the player who accumulated corruption, increases killing rewards for those who kill a corrupted player and force the corrupted to "work off" the corruption if they don't wish to die. This system will most likely not be fully balanced until the Beta phase, but I think it is most reasonable to assume that the corruption system will ultimately become controlled by the dynamic event system as everything else in the game - meaning the more PKs of unflagged players occur on a server, the more corruption killers will accumulate on that server.
That might be true but as Dark Souls has prominently shown - well made games can inspire casuals to change their attitude on a game. As things stand - and I hope Intrepid will hold firm on that - Ashes of Creation will be a tough cookie of a game where people will face lots of different adversities be it in forms of other players or difficult to navigate environments. If Intrepid manages to reward the efforts of the players sufficiently, I am very optimistic that players will accept the greater risks of playing this game. And those who don't can go back to podcasts on one screen and farming WoW dungeons on the other.
What has been made extremely clear is this is a PvX game, and they are not targeting everyone. "This game may not be for you."
You can play this game but you will be ganked and or targeted. Its not a pve game. Best to see how it pans out it might not be as bad as you think. It might be the wost experience youve ever had. Its up to the community really beyond simple mechanics.
Sounds like what happened with new world
and many others lol
If you fight back, you have half the normal chance to drop items.
The more red they are, the more combat penalties they have, so...
So Red is not an indication of "better". The level of Red indicates the person has been killing players who refuse to fight back. WHich has nothing to do with being better at PvP or better at combat. It just means the player enjoys killing players who refuse to fight back.
But, also... that person will have combat penalties that make them increasingly worse at combat.
They will have other penalties, like the inability to trade, buy/sell and fast travel.
I think one of two kills will be quite insignificant in terms of overall corruption. Steven used to say you could get away with a farming spot kill or two if you needed to.
it wont be the deterrent people think it will be. It's one of those features that will apply more handicaps over time to accommodate the player demographic from over complaining as QoL changes.
Depends on A2 tests and the general consensus of the player base i think.
Technically true but it's a system/feature that will get adjusted on launch over time. It's what I was getting at in my post earlier about features getting diluted. You can't go backwards with systems/features once they've been implemented, usually forward which means it'll soften and handicaps will adjust accordingly. Many players don't like to get out of their comfort zones, they like to nest in further. More baby birds you attract, the bigger the nest you'll need lol If those birds dont like the nest, they'll start squawking.
If you listen to the devs they will say 'Murder Hobos' don't get anything out of the flagging system. However, 'murder hobos' don't kill people for rewards. 'Murder Hobos' kill people for the pleasure. Thus, the flagging system will not stop griefing, just like it didn't in L2 but the rest of us will suffer with the flagging system regardless.
Good old murder hobo's lol just kill because they can or want to.
No you don't know the flagging system. If you did you wouldn't be making this post.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Naval
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Tides
Some interesting stuff there related to it. Looks like wind will play a factor with ship class and rendering distance. No tidal patterns though which is somewhat interesting. Maybe we'll see something like impel down either as a castle or open world dungeon/raid.