Warning from my previous experiences facing healers balanced around PvE.

simply put; they end up mandatory. a grp with a healer cannot lose in pvp againt a grp with out one.
i'm active on new world and the current meta is anti heal proc on everything.
it was true in dark age of camelot 20 years ago and it's still an issue today.

love you, cant wait for the alpha.

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Raven016

P0GG0 wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Kilion wrote: »

Since you are unable to simply discuss the topic and only cry about what things I am in your imagination, I'll leave you to it from now on.^^

i realized a couple of pages ago its impossible arguing with him. he is probably trolling. you can also tell he hasnt played many games. it seems that he only played games where healers are op.

I dont think trolling, I think that the poster thinks they have a valid point, and that their thinking is the only valid thinking.

They would be wrong on both points if that is the case - but it is the assumption I've gone with.

Depraved wrote: »

Kilion wrote: »

Since you are unable to simply discuss the topic and only cry about what things I am in your imagination, I'll leave you to it from now on.^^

i realized a couple of pages ago its impossible arguing with him. he is probably trolling. you can also tell he hasnt played many games. it seems that he only played games where healers are op.

Kilion wrote: »

Exactly. We have time to see how well the current systems work during the Alpha and then see what needs fixing.

Please ONE person tells me why healing should be the same in a pve raids and open world pvp ?
I don't want to discuss anything else.

There are also reasons to engage in open world PvP, which is subject to the player flagging and corruption system.[8][11]

Contesting open-world dungeons or raids.[8]

Approximately 20% of content in Ashes of Creation will be instanced.[1][2][3][4][5]

What we're creating is a PvX game; and what that means is our target audience is the PvX player; and that is our golden cohort. And so to a degree if a player is solely interested in the most elaborate raid boss mechanics within a controlled and curated setting that is instanced gameplay, Ashes might not be the game for them and that's okay. However, with that being said, we do have a division of curated experiences that exist in an 80:20 ratio; and what that means is roughly 20% of the content that players will experience will be instanced, because where we want to have that granular control over the design and mechanics of a particular storyline or encounter we utilize the instance setting to provide that.[1] – Steven Sharif

Effah

that makes it way simpler to balance, good move from them.

Vaknar

P0GG0 wrote: »

that's anti fun, i want 4 people to beat 4 lesser player by being better rather than who has the perfect composition. i'm so tired of sitting in town waiting for that holy trinity. Do it for pve no problem but dont ruin my pvp experience by being intellectually lazy. with that mindset no wonder people just wait for the bigger zerg and actualy never fight.

Sure, the composition of a group could make an impact on how a battle goes. However, that isn't to say that skill doesn't also make an impact.

It's theoretically possible that a skilled group of players could win against players that may lack that skill, but have a more favorable group composition.

With that said, Alpha Two testing will be a great battleground for testing this out, and seeing how different Archetypes, playstyles, and even skill sets will go up against one another.

Solvryn

Vaknar wrote: »

P0GG0 wrote: »

that's anti fun, i want 4 people to beat 4 lesser player by being better rather than who has the perfect composition. i'm so tired of sitting in town waiting for that holy trinity. Do it for pve no problem but dont ruin my pvp experience by being intellectually lazy. with that mindset no wonder people just wait for the bigger zerg and actualy never fight.

Sure, the composition of a group could make an impact on how a battle goes. However, that isn't to say that skill doesn't also make an impact.

It's theoretically possible that a skilled group of players could win against players that may lack that skill, but have a more favorable group composition.

With that said, Alpha Two testing will be a great battleground for testing this out, and seeing how different Archetypes, playstyles, and even skill sets will go up against one another.

At least you said it.

Noaani

P0GG0 wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Kilion wrote: »

Since you are unable to simply discuss the topic and only cry about what things I am in your imagination, I'll leave you to it from now on.^^

i realized a couple of pages ago its impossible arguing with him. he is probably trolling. you can also tell he hasnt played many games. it seems that he only played games where healers are op.

I dont think trolling, I think that the poster thinks they have a valid point, and that their thinking is the only valid thinking.

They would be wrong on both points if that is the case - but it is the assumption I've gone with.

Depraved wrote: »

Kilion wrote: »

Since you are unable to simply discuss the topic and only cry about what things I am in your imagination, I'll leave you to it from now on.^^

i realized a couple of pages ago its impossible arguing with him. he is probably trolling. you can also tell he hasnt played many games. it seems that he only played games where healers are op.

Kilion wrote: »

Exactly. We have time to see how well the current systems work during the Alpha and then see what needs fixing.

Please ONE person tells me why healing should be the same in a pve raids and open world pvp ?
I don't want to discuss anything else.

See, I dont even get what you mean by healing being "the same".

My only assumption is that you are talking (perhaps unknowingly) from the perspective of games where PvE encounters are mechanically different to PvP fighting (ie, most games that have both).

Since the intention of Ashes is that mobs and players both use the same stats and mechanics, rather than a different set completely, it makes perfect sense that healers should function the same.

Your entire premise seems to me to be flawed when considering what Ashes is already planning on doing differently to other games you are likely to have experienced.

Effah

salty forum warriors putting words in my mouth.

Kilion

Joined 7 days ago and acts like the Edgelord himself who studied the blade XD

Noaani

P0GG0 wrote: »

salty forum warriors putting words in my mouth.

Someone stating what it is they think you are saying - and pointing out that it is an assumption - is not them putting words in your mouth.

What it actually does is give you an oppprtunity to learn how your words are being percieved, and gives you an opportunity to clarify if people are getting the wrong idea.pl

If your response to that is to claim people are putting words in your mouth, rather than clarifying what it is you are trying to say, thats on you.

Fact is, you claim you want a discussion, you have been presented with an opportunity to clarify your position for said discussion, and so fsr you have refused to do so.

Seems to me that you are the salty one here, but that is just another assumption that you are free to clarify if you like.

Mag7spy

Kilion wrote: »

Joined 7 days ago and acts like the Edgelord himself who studied the blade XD

LMFAO

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