you can call me a male feminist all you want but I don't think visual bs like that adds any real depth to a game, if you watch the NW video the guy was doing 1 on 1 fights showing himself dodging and taking people out. keep in mind the bow fires actual projectiles and works how it would in a shooter. he didn't pump up his stats and mash hotkeys and let the game do the work for him he had to actually dodge and aim at his target.
Again NW is trash. BDO u dodge, iframe, super armour, Block all attacks. And your skills are actually interesting and you have a lot more of them than like mashing left click on your mouse and a few skills lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQjoT1JQJfc
i prefer bdo combat, but just because its an action game, doesnt mean it sbetter than nw combat. bdo and tera are more fast paced games, a million skills and a million saves (super armor, i frames, dodges, blocks, etc). nw is slower because it tried to be a more souls like combat (they ruined it with the light armor roll tho) with less buttons to press. its about pressing the button at the right time, or you get punished for it, no animation cancels to save you etc. (nw has super armor too btw).
so even though they are all action games, they are targeted towards different audiences. a player who likes souls combat will say bdo combat is shit, and a player who likes bdo combat will say nw is shit...same happens when a player who likes tab targeting plays bdo and says its shit, and vice versa. or wow and aoc both being tab but they are different...
I can list off a bunch of points on every element on why NW combat if bad. No one has said a action game is better than anther just because its action (which doesn't make sense sense I'm talking action - action in combat) I even said Tab is better than Nw lmao.
Also not true i played all soul games. Makes me know that New world is not good even more so. Souls is also more niche (you can make argument with elden ring changing things more so now though). I don't really see a large group wanting a souls like mmo with combat. And people just wanting good action combat and NW is not it.
This is all just your opinion. Just because you don't like the combat in New World doesn't mean it's "bad" lol
Yes everything is an opinion with these kinds of things. People can think a game that is bad is good to them.
But if you like clunky combat, very basic amount of skills to use, combat mainly about using left click for combat, terrible frames with the game, 2 tap hit scan weapons, terrible feeling movement, low character customization, survival style combat for your skills, basic complexity of pve
Though given enough time, your bar on what you expect from some games I'm sure will raise over time as you get bored of those ones.
I love it when people like you try to be condescending about people not sharing your opinion lol just shows just how immature you actually are.
I don't even really care for NW's combat by the way. It's just absolutely astounding how childish this kind of crap is. It also sounds like you haven't even actually played the game for more than maybe a couple hours at most.
What is childish is what you are saying right now LMFAO. You are mad someone is talking about a game that is known for having bad gameplay and actually being surprised.
Its funny when i start listing off all the issues and your response is saying im childish and i haven't played the game. unable to give actual points.
I know plenty of the issues since i had like 400 hours in the first month of the game, and i owned the best territory on the server with the guild I was leading and beating a 500 man zerg guild.
It is funny when you talk about not knowing what opinions are, some people actually base their opinions on playing the game on a high level so they can fully judge the game properly -winks-
I'm not mad about anything lol just calling out the childish shit you're spreading. All of the "issues" you mentioned are just things you personally didn't like. None of them are objectively bad. That's why it's nothing more than your opinion. It doesn't matter if you played it for 4 minutes or 400 hours (which begs the question about why you'd supposedly waste so much time on something you don't like, but that's another issue of yours that you should probably work through on your own) you're doing nothing more than narcissistically trying to state your opinion like it has any objective value when it doesn't.
This sounds like you really have not played new world lmao. I find it funny you call things childish when people bring up actual issues with a game while not knowing or understanding the issues.
To me that sounds pretty childish right there you are looking at any way to try to make my point not seen as valid. First you try to suggest i have not played the game, than you try to say it doesn't matter how much time i played, and than you try to say im wasting my time.
Pretty much your reaching because you aren't mature enough to realize your own fault, when you have already admitted to not caring about new world.
You are asking the question why i played it, I had just answered that. Mainly because even if the game is no the best i can still play with my guild and get some kind of enjoyment out of it, 2 because If i only play it slightly I'm not going to understand all the issues or good qualities with the game.
Now you are trying to label my opinion when earlier you were trying to fight for people to have an opinion, it sounds like you just don't like when someone has experience and has a negative opinion.
You don't know what you want to say as you try to weasel your way out to find some kind of insult to sling at me. Anything else to say Patrick, or is the tantrum over?
Your opinion is no more right or wrong than someone's opinion who likes the combat in New World, regardless of what you think lol most of this post is just nonsense. The things you think are issues are subjective. I really hope that someday you can have a discussion without thinking your opinions are more valid than anyone else's because they aren't.
I wrote off issues with the game and u said it was being childish and that you dont have much thought on new world.
The issues is you is don't enough maturity to say you were wrong in your thought when u started saying i had not played the game.
I didn't say you thinking those were issues was childish. I said you acting like they were objective and then being condescending was childish. If you can't understand what you're reading, why are you replying? I didn't say you hadn't played the game either, just that it sounded like you hadn't based on the generic "issues" you listed since none of them were actually objective issues and just your opinion. Something you're struggling to understand.
Regardless, this is clearly a waste of time because you're too dense to understand what you're reading. Feel free to reply again so you can "win" and appease your ego though lol
Its kind of sad how you keep going on, you are trying to paint a narrative because u can't accept the fact you were wrong with your assumptions.
Its funny that the first think you did was run to trying to do insults over my opinion backed back hundreds of hours on the game.
If you played new world and understood the landscape of the game you would realize im not bringing up generic issues. These issues were brought up in the alpha stress test of the game lol?
Again NW is trash. BDO u dodge, iframe, super armour, Block all attacks. And your skills are actually interesting and you have a lot more of them than like mashing left click on your mouse and a few skills lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQjoT1JQJfc
NW is also Iframes and active blocking, that's what the guy in the video is doing is iframing people. I also run a super armor build in NW. the skill customization is pretty good the only thing it doesn't have that BDO has is flashy animations, and without those animations BDO would look like dog shit
also they are MMOs and you keep posting 1v1s NW has 50v50
I'm aware both of them have iframes, but looking at bdo iframes compared to new world there is a lot more thought into it. NW is just about a roll, in BDO yes you have a iframes dodge on some characters but also moves that have iframes. There is a lot more push and pull in the gameplay with strategy over just having a dodge roll.
On top of blocking as some of your moves block as you attack giving you a attack that also has defensive elements to it, andit becoming another resource meter you are managing during combat. Over new world where you just block and people aren't really blocking that much in the game anyway as they use their dodge roll. So right away blocking in BDO is done at a much higher lvl with layers added to it, over a block in new world that is kind of a meme.
I don't think you watched the first video if you are talking about 1v1. Not that it has any meaning the whole point is NW combat is not good and doesn't have good customization either. Compare that to any other mmorpg even more so since in NW you have very few limited skills.
Also I'm not saying you can't like the game, I'm just saying that compared to any other mmorpg its well know Nw combat isn't good. No one is wanting to playing a mmorpg to end up with survival gameplay combat.
It is pretty clear they cut corners to release the game out with limited content.
Have you actually played NW or is your opinion just based off a narrative pushed by youtubers click bait. The one problem NW had when it launched is Amazon gave them the bare minimum for servers and the game ran like crap because of it. Youtubers jumped on the hate train cause it brought them in views. I've tried BDO its just your typical generic Korean MMO that provides fan service. That's why I don't like it. My opinion is my own not some fan boy bullshit made up by nitpicking youtube videos. NW takes alot more skill to play then BDO that's my opinion from first hand experience. What's your experience?
Have you actually played NW or is your opinion just based off a narrative pushed by youtubers click bait. The one problem NW had when it launched is Amazon gave them the bare minimum for servers and the game ran like crap because of it. Youtubers jumped on the hate train cause it brought them in views. I've tried BDO its just your typical generic Korean MMO that provides fan service. That's why I don't like it. My opinion is my own not some fan boy bullshit made up by nitpicking youtube videos. NW takes alot more skill to play then BDO that's my opinion from first hand experience. What's your experience?
Hi Apok, I found an interesting explanation for why tab target is preferred. It also explains why New World's combat FELT very good at launch, and has since been downgraded. I can't speak to the accuracy of the information, but it makes sense to me. If someone knows that this is false, please correct.
Basically, the idea comes down to server side versus client side (your computer) information. In order for FPS's to have such low latency and be so accurate with things like head shots, you need a server that is pretty close to you, and you need to have a bunch of the information processed on the client side. The less information that has to go back and forth from the server, the faster the response time can be.
New World launched with a slick feeling action combat system. In order to make it work, they had a ton of client side information processing. However, this is what led to bugs, cheats and hacks. You may have heard about the window drag bug that made you invincible, or countless other bugs that plagued New World. It was because any time information is processed on your home PC and then sent to the server, there is an opportunity for the home PC to falsify the information. This is also why FPS games are notoriously plagued with hackers.
In order for New World to clean up the bugs, they had to move a lot of the combat information back to server side. In doing so, the combat now feels less reactive than it did at launch. This is probably why many people say "New World Combat Sucks!" I still think it feels ok, but I'm a noob.
Tab target/auto lock combat allows for a fair amount of latency between the players, maybe 250ms or 1/4s or so. If you try to do pure action combat skill shots with this you need pretty large unit hit boxes in order to hit what you see on the screen.
Tab target also makes it way easier for the game designers to balance skills and combat damage. The player skill then becomes more about positioning and timing abilities, rather than just aiming them. Another side benefit is that it allows a lot more spacial awareness during combat, because your screen doesn't always have to be centred on your target.
Anyways, hope this helps.
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Have you actually played NW or is your opinion just based off a narrative pushed by youtubers click bait. The one problem NW had when it launched is Amazon gave them the bare minimum for servers and the game ran like crap because of it. Youtubers jumped on the hate train cause it brought them in views. I've tried BDO its just your typical generic Korean MMO that provides fan service. That's why I don't like it. My opinion is my own not some fan boy bullshit made up by nitpicking youtube videos. NW takes alot more skill to play then BDO that's my opinion from first hand experience. What's your experience?
Hi Apok, I found an interesting explanation for why tab target is preferred. It also explains why New World's combat FELT very good at launch, and has since been downgraded. I can't speak to the accuracy of the information, but it makes sense to me. If someone knows that this is false, please correct.
Basically, the idea comes down to server side versus client side (your computer) information. In order for FPS's to have such low latency and be so accurate with things like head shots, you need a server that is pretty close to you, and you need to have a bunch of the information processed on the client side. The less information that has to go back and forth from the server, the faster the response time can be.
New World launched with a slick feeling action combat system. In order to make it work, they had a ton of client side information processing. However, this is what led to bugs, cheats and hacks. You may have heard about the window drag bug that made you invincible, or countless other bugs that plagued New World. It was because any time information is processed on your home PC and then sent to the server, there is an opportunity for the home PC to falsify the information. This is also why FPS games are notoriously plagued with hackers.
In order for New World to clean up the bugs, they had to move a lot of the combat information back to server side. In doing so, the combat now feels less reactive than it did at launch. This is probably why many people say "New World Combat Sucks!" I still think it feels ok, but I'm a noob.
Tab target/auto lock combat allows for a fair amount of latency between the players, maybe 250ms or 1/4s or so. This makes it way easier for the game designers to balance skills and combat damage. The player skill then becomes more about positioning and timing abilities, rather than just aiming them. Another side benefit is that it allows a lot more spacial awareness during combat, because your screen doesn't always have to be centred on your target.
Anyways, hope this helps.
I'm aware of all that, when they made the change to more server sided information to fix the bugs the combat did suck for a little bit but was tweaked. I got about 2,500 hours into the game and log in for a couple matches a day (I basicly treat it as a fps do a few matches and I'm good) combat is what keeps me coming back and was only garbage for a couple weeks after the update. I play with spear throw which is a slow moving projectile and hit my targets just fine, my sword swings and blocks are just as they are when the game launched. Again I think this is youtubers overhyping the games problems. If any of them actually played the game they would have actual issues to complain about. Which there's a lot of them that no one talks about which in turn is why the player base is dying
you can call me a male feminist all you want but I don't think visual bs like that adds any real depth to a game, if you watch the NW video the guy was doing 1 on 1 fights showing himself dodging and taking people out. keep in mind the bow fires actual projectiles and works how it would in a shooter. he didn't pump up his stats and mash hotkeys and let the game do the work for him he had to actually dodge and aim at his target.
Again NW is trash. BDO u dodge, iframe, super armour, Block all attacks. And your skills are actually interesting and you have a lot more of them than like mashing left click on your mouse and a few skills lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQjoT1JQJfc
i prefer bdo combat, but just because its an action game, doesnt mean it sbetter than nw combat. bdo and tera are more fast paced games, a million skills and a million saves (super armor, i frames, dodges, blocks, etc). nw is slower because it tried to be a more souls like combat (they ruined it with the light armor roll tho) with less buttons to press. its about pressing the button at the right time, or you get punished for it, no animation cancels to save you etc. (nw has super armor too btw).
so even though they are all action games, they are targeted towards different audiences. a player who likes souls combat will say bdo combat is shit, and a player who likes bdo combat will say nw is shit...same happens when a player who likes tab targeting plays bdo and says its shit, and vice versa. or wow and aoc both being tab but they are different...
I can list off a bunch of points on every element on why NW combat if bad. No one has said a action game is better than anther just because its action (which doesn't make sense sense I'm talking action - action in combat) I even said Tab is better than Nw lmao.
Also not true i played all soul games. Makes me know that New world is not good even more so. Souls is also more niche (you can make argument with elden ring changing things more so now though). I don't really see a large group wanting a souls like mmo with combat. And people just wanting good action combat and NW is not it.
This is all just your opinion. Just because you don't like the combat in New World doesn't mean it's "bad" lol
Yes everything is an opinion with these kinds of things. People can think a game that is bad is good to them.
But if you like clunky combat, very basic amount of skills to use, combat mainly about using left click for combat, terrible frames with the game, 2 tap hit scan weapons, terrible feeling movement, low character customization, survival style combat for your skills, basic complexity of pve
Though given enough time, your bar on what you expect from some games I'm sure will raise over time as you get bored of those ones.
I love it when people like you try to be condescending about people not sharing your opinion lol just shows just how immature you actually are.
I don't even really care for NW's combat by the way. It's just absolutely astounding how childish this kind of crap is. It also sounds like you haven't even actually played the game for more than maybe a couple hours at most.
What is childish is what you are saying right now LMFAO. You are mad someone is talking about a game that is known for having bad gameplay and actually being surprised.
Its funny when i start listing off all the issues and your response is saying im childish and i haven't played the game. unable to give actual points.
I know plenty of the issues since i had like 400 hours in the first month of the game, and i owned the best territory on the server with the guild I was leading and beating a 500 man zerg guild.
It is funny when you talk about not knowing what opinions are, some people actually base their opinions on playing the game on a high level so they can fully judge the game properly -winks-
what was your guild? :O
if you weren't purple u suck xD syndicate forever !_!
I'm aware of all that, when they made the change to more server sided information to fix the bugs the combat did suck for a little bit but was tweaked. I got about 2,500 hours into the game and log in for a couple matches a day (I basicly treat it as a fps do a few matches and I'm good) combat is what keeps me coming back and was only garbage for a couple weeks after the update. I play with spear throw which is a slow moving projectile and hit my targets just fine, my sword swings and blocks are just as they are when the game launched. Again I think this is youtubers overhyping the games problems. If any of them actually played the game they would have actual issues to complain about. Which there's a lot of them that no one talks about which in turn is why the player base is dying
Well then I can only say that the tab target appeals to a wider audience who isn't just good at fast mouse aiming type games. I'm getting old and my reaction time isn't what it was. I can barely play FPS games anymore because I just get rocked by teenagers and its not really possible to "get good" anymore. All they have to do is be a split second faster than you and they kill u 100-0 every time. Personally, I don't want to have to put in the effort to swivel my mouse around fast and extremely accurately for hours on end. My hands can't handle it.
RPGs absolutely do not need classes or multiple "fantasy races" either. Kingdome Come: Deliverance is an RPG and doesn't have either of those things.
Agreed. Really, the vast majority of video games are role-playing games, as 99% of players are not a street fighter, gangster, soldier, Italian plumber, fantasy ranger, etc.
In that sense, Insurgency: Sandstorm is a much an RPG as NW or KC: Deliverance (great game btw). Classes, stats, levels, dice, etc - these are all just ways to constraint players so a game can exist between them. The over classification of games by genre - or sub-genres - is more a function of marketing than anything else.
RPGs absolutely do not need classes or multiple "fantasy races" either. Kingdome Come: Deliverance is an RPG and doesn't have either of those things.
Agreed. Really, the vast majority of video games are role-playing games, as 99% of players are not a street fighter, gangster, soldier, Italian plumber, fantasy ranger, etc.
In that sense, Insurgency: Sandstorm is a much an RPG as NW or KC: Deliverance (great game btw). Classes, stats, levels, dice, etc - these are all just ways to constraint players so a game can exist between them. The over classification of games by genre - or sub-genres - is more a function of marketing than anything else.
Oh, and no on the combat system changing.
its not just marketing...each genra or sub genre has defined features. 99% of games cant be RPG. in an RPG, you control either character development (stats, skills, gear, etc) in the way you want, or you control the story in a way you want, or both, and of course, to the extent the game lets you. you cant do that as an Italian plumber, unless you are playing Mario RPG, but not the platformers xD
Again NW is trash. BDO u dodge, iframe, super armour, Block all attacks. And your skills are actually interesting and you have a lot more of them than like mashing left click on your mouse and a few skills lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQjoT1JQJfc
NW is also Iframes and active blocking, that's what the guy in the video is doing is iframing people. I also run a super armor build in NW. the skill customization is pretty good the only thing it doesn't have that BDO has is flashy animations, and without those animations BDO would look like dog shit
also they are MMOs and you keep posting 1v1s NW has 50v50
I'm aware both of them have iframes, but looking at bdo iframes compared to new world there is a lot more thought into it. NW is just about a roll, in BDO yes you have a iframes dodge on some characters but also moves that have iframes. There is a lot more push and pull in the gameplay with strategy over just having a dodge roll.
On top of blocking as some of your moves block as you attack giving you a attack that also has defensive elements to it, andit becoming another resource meter you are managing during combat. Over new world where you just block and people aren't really blocking that much in the game anyway as they use their dodge roll. So right away blocking in BDO is done at a much higher lvl with layers added to it, over a block in new world that is kind of a meme.
I don't think you watched the first video if you are talking about 1v1. Not that it has any meaning the whole point is NW combat is not good and doesn't have good customization either. Compare that to any other mmorpg even more so since in NW you have very few limited skills.
Also I'm not saying you can't like the game, I'm just saying that compared to any other mmorpg its well know Nw combat isn't good. No one is wanting to playing a mmorpg to end up with survival gameplay combat.
It is pretty clear they cut corners to release the game out with limited content.
Have you actually played NW or is your opinion just based off a narrative pushed by youtubers click bait. The one problem NW had when it launched is Amazon gave them the bare minimum for servers and the game ran like crap because of it. Youtubers jumped on the hate train cause it brought them in views. I've tried BDO its just your typical generic Korean MMO that provides fan service. That's why I don't like it. My opinion is my own not some fan boy bullshit made up by nitpicking youtube videos. NW takes alot more skill to play then BDO that's my opinion from first hand experience. What's your experience?
At this point you must not be reading any of my post, getting tired of repeating. So we can go with this angle. I've played NW and more competitively than you. I've also played BDO mroe competitively that you as well.
I can understand if you play it casually you aren't going to have a deeper understanding of the game. This is why you have the worse take talking about fan boy and other weird takes that have nothing to do with the conversation. Playing a game casually isn't really trying the game you actually need to put in some hours and get to a competent point in the game.
NW does not take more skill then ANY mmorpg on the market tab or action. That is how low the bar is for the game it is a survival combat and designed for casual players.
Again im getting tired of repeating I've already explained BDO systems for iframes, block, etc are more detailed than NW in how it works with skills. You literally do not block in NW that crap was a meme, u cant go on here saying it takes more skills and talk about blocking when players don't even do it because it was trash.
I'm aware of all that, when they made the change to more server sided information to fix the bugs the combat did suck for a little bit but was tweaked. I got about 2,500 hours into the game and log in for a couple matches a day (I basicly treat it as a fps do a few matches and I'm good) combat is what keeps me coming back and was only garbage for a couple weeks after the update. I play with spear throw which is a slow moving projectile and hit my targets just fine, my sword swings and blocks are just as they are when the game launched. Again I think this is youtubers overhyping the games problems. If any of them actually played the game they would have actual issues to complain about. Which there's a lot of them that no one talks about which in turn is why the player base is dying
Well then I can only say that the tab target appeals to a wider audience who isn't just good at fast mouse aiming type games. I'm getting old and my reaction time isn't what it was. I can barely play FPS games anymore because I just get rocked by teenagers and its not really possible to "get good" anymore. All they have to do is be a split second faster than you and they kill u 100-0 every time. Personally, I don't want to have to put in the effort to swivel my mouse around fast and extremely accurately for hours on end. My hands can't handle it.
I can't argue with that, I'm 38 and work a lot that's why in NW I stick to one optimized build. Sword or board with the Spear, dungeons and pvp I use the same build. But everything falls on experience. A guy who was number one on the dps charts in FFXIV made a video highlighting how he did it and it was practice and experience, he would show how he practiced his combos on training dummies all the time.
Even so with a more classic style of MMO where controls are more simple you tend to have more abilities or actions you can use, knowing where all your skills are without looking at the hotbar, and getting those clutch reactions is the no different then learning to dodge or using well timed blocks.
I for one have taken breaks from an MMO to come back and forget where my skills are on my hotbar. Hitting those keys quick enughe and doing your combos compared to active combat that's centered around dodging and well timed blocks are just two sides of the same coin IMO I don't see why a game can't use both.
you can call me a male feminist all you want but I don't think visual bs like that adds any real depth to a game, if you watch the NW video the guy was doing 1 on 1 fights showing himself dodging and taking people out. keep in mind the bow fires actual projectiles and works how it would in a shooter. he didn't pump up his stats and mash hotkeys and let the game do the work for him he had to actually dodge and aim at his target.
Again NW is trash. BDO u dodge, iframe, super armour, Block all attacks. And your skills are actually interesting and you have a lot more of them than like mashing left click on your mouse and a few skills lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQjoT1JQJfc
i prefer bdo combat, but just because its an action game, doesnt mean it sbetter than nw combat. bdo and tera are more fast paced games, a million skills and a million saves (super armor, i frames, dodges, blocks, etc). nw is slower because it tried to be a more souls like combat (they ruined it with the light armor roll tho) with less buttons to press. its about pressing the button at the right time, or you get punished for it, no animation cancels to save you etc. (nw has super armor too btw).
so even though they are all action games, they are targeted towards different audiences. a player who likes souls combat will say bdo combat is shit, and a player who likes bdo combat will say nw is shit...same happens when a player who likes tab targeting plays bdo and says its shit, and vice versa. or wow and aoc both being tab but they are different...
I can list off a bunch of points on every element on why NW combat if bad. No one has said a action game is better than anther just because its action (which doesn't make sense sense I'm talking action - action in combat) I even said Tab is better than Nw lmao.
Also not true i played all soul games. Makes me know that New world is not good even more so. Souls is also more niche (you can make argument with elden ring changing things more so now though). I don't really see a large group wanting a souls like mmo with combat. And people just wanting good action combat and NW is not it.
This is all just your opinion. Just because you don't like the combat in New World doesn't mean it's "bad" lol
Yes everything is an opinion with these kinds of things. People can think a game that is bad is good to them.
But if you like clunky combat, very basic amount of skills to use, combat mainly about using left click for combat, terrible frames with the game, 2 tap hit scan weapons, terrible feeling movement, low character customization, survival style combat for your skills, basic complexity of pve
Though given enough time, your bar on what you expect from some games I'm sure will raise over time as you get bored of those ones.
I love it when people like you try to be condescending about people not sharing your opinion lol just shows just how immature you actually are.
I don't even really care for NW's combat by the way. It's just absolutely astounding how childish this kind of crap is. It also sounds like you haven't even actually played the game for more than maybe a couple hours at most.
What is childish is what you are saying right now LMFAO. You are mad someone is talking about a game that is known for having bad gameplay and actually being surprised.
Its funny when i start listing off all the issues and your response is saying im childish and i haven't played the game. unable to give actual points.
I know plenty of the issues since i had like 400 hours in the first month of the game, and i owned the best territory on the server with the guild I was leading and beating a 500 man zerg guild.
It is funny when you talk about not knowing what opinions are, some people actually base their opinions on playing the game on a high level so they can fully judge the game properly -winks-
what was your guild? :O
if you weren't purple u suck xD syndicate forever !_!
Ya we played on syndicate. The guild I run is "The Rebellion". Though when i was playing new world the name was The Eternal Kingdom
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Tab Target also supports Class abilities in Online RPGs. Character Skills.
An FPS or Survival game is more likely to focus on Player Skills - Active/Action Combat.
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Its kind of sad how you keep going on, you are trying to paint a narrative because u can't accept the fact you were wrong with your assumptions.
Its funny that the first think you did was run to trying to do insults over my opinion backed back hundreds of hours on the game.
If you played new world and understood the landscape of the game you would realize im not bringing up generic issues. These issues were brought up in the alpha stress test of the game lol?
How many hours did u put in new world?
Have you actually played NW or is your opinion just based off a narrative pushed by youtubers click bait. The one problem NW had when it launched is Amazon gave them the bare minimum for servers and the game ran like crap because of it. Youtubers jumped on the hate train cause it brought them in views. I've tried BDO its just your typical generic Korean MMO that provides fan service. That's why I don't like it. My opinion is my own not some fan boy bullshit made up by nitpicking youtube videos. NW takes alot more skill to play then BDO that's my opinion from first hand experience. What's your experience?
Hi Apok, I found an interesting explanation for why tab target is preferred. It also explains why New World's combat FELT very good at launch, and has since been downgraded. I can't speak to the accuracy of the information, but it makes sense to me. If someone knows that this is false, please correct.
Basically, the idea comes down to server side versus client side (your computer) information. In order for FPS's to have such low latency and be so accurate with things like head shots, you need a server that is pretty close to you, and you need to have a bunch of the information processed on the client side. The less information that has to go back and forth from the server, the faster the response time can be.
New World launched with a slick feeling action combat system. In order to make it work, they had a ton of client side information processing. However, this is what led to bugs, cheats and hacks. You may have heard about the window drag bug that made you invincible, or countless other bugs that plagued New World. It was because any time information is processed on your home PC and then sent to the server, there is an opportunity for the home PC to falsify the information. This is also why FPS games are notoriously plagued with hackers.
In order for New World to clean up the bugs, they had to move a lot of the combat information back to server side. In doing so, the combat now feels less reactive than it did at launch. This is probably why many people say "New World Combat Sucks!" I still think it feels ok, but I'm a noob.
Tab target/auto lock combat allows for a fair amount of latency between the players, maybe 250ms or 1/4s or so. If you try to do pure action combat skill shots with this you need pretty large unit hit boxes in order to hit what you see on the screen.
Tab target also makes it way easier for the game designers to balance skills and combat damage. The player skill then becomes more about positioning and timing abilities, rather than just aiming them. Another side benefit is that it allows a lot more spacial awareness during combat, because your screen doesn't always have to be centred on your target.
Anyways, hope this helps.
I'm aware of all that, when they made the change to more server sided information to fix the bugs the combat did suck for a little bit but was tweaked. I got about 2,500 hours into the game and log in for a couple matches a day (I basicly treat it as a fps do a few matches and I'm good) combat is what keeps me coming back and was only garbage for a couple weeks after the update. I play with spear throw which is a slow moving projectile and hit my targets just fine, my sword swings and blocks are just as they are when the game launched. Again I think this is youtubers overhyping the games problems. If any of them actually played the game they would have actual issues to complain about. Which there's a lot of them that no one talks about which in turn is why the player base is dying
what was your guild? :O
if you weren't purple u suck xD syndicate forever !_!
Well then I can only say that the tab target appeals to a wider audience who isn't just good at fast mouse aiming type games. I'm getting old and my reaction time isn't what it was. I can barely play FPS games anymore because I just get rocked by teenagers and its not really possible to "get good" anymore. All they have to do is be a split second faster than you and they kill u 100-0 every time. Personally, I don't want to have to put in the effort to swivel my mouse around fast and extremely accurately for hours on end. My hands can't handle it.
Agreed. Really, the vast majority of video games are role-playing games, as 99% of players are not a street fighter, gangster, soldier, Italian plumber, fantasy ranger, etc.
In that sense, Insurgency: Sandstorm is a much an RPG as NW or KC: Deliverance (great game btw). Classes, stats, levels, dice, etc - these are all just ways to constraint players so a game can exist between them. The over classification of games by genre - or sub-genres - is more a function of marketing than anything else.
Oh, and no on the combat system changing.
its not just marketing...each genra or sub genre has defined features. 99% of games cant be RPG. in an RPG, you control either character development (stats, skills, gear, etc) in the way you want, or you control the story in a way you want, or both, and of course, to the extent the game lets you. you cant do that as an Italian plumber, unless you are playing Mario RPG, but not the platformers xD
At this point you must not be reading any of my post, getting tired of repeating. So we can go with this angle. I've played NW and more competitively than you. I've also played BDO mroe competitively that you as well.
I can understand if you play it casually you aren't going to have a deeper understanding of the game. This is why you have the worse take talking about fan boy and other weird takes that have nothing to do with the conversation. Playing a game casually isn't really trying the game you actually need to put in some hours and get to a competent point in the game.
NW does not take more skill then ANY mmorpg on the market tab or action. That is how low the bar is for the game it is a survival combat and designed for casual players.
Again im getting tired of repeating I've already explained BDO systems for iframes, block, etc are more detailed than NW in how it works with skills. You literally do not block in NW that crap was a meme, u cant go on here saying it takes more skills and talk about blocking when players don't even do it because it was trash.
I can't argue with that, I'm 38 and work a lot that's why in NW I stick to one optimized build. Sword or board with the Spear, dungeons and pvp I use the same build. But everything falls on experience. A guy who was number one on the dps charts in FFXIV made a video highlighting how he did it and it was practice and experience, he would show how he practiced his combos on training dummies all the time.
Even so with a more classic style of MMO where controls are more simple you tend to have more abilities or actions you can use, knowing where all your skills are without looking at the hotbar, and getting those clutch reactions is the no different then learning to dodge or using well timed blocks.
I for one have taken breaks from an MMO to come back and forget where my skills are on my hotbar. Hitting those keys quick enughe and doing your combos compared to active combat that's centered around dodging and well timed blocks are just two sides of the same coin IMO I don't see why a game can't use both.
Ya we played on syndicate. The guild I run is "The Rebellion". Though when i was playing new world the name was The Eternal Kingdom
An FPS or Survival game is more likely to focus on Player Skills - Active/Action Combat.
More like : it is noticeable that some People need to test Alpha Two or something ... ... ...