Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: » https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Taverns#Bulletin_boards What I want? For all the solos to be pushed towards joining a guild that matches their gameplay style. What I expect? A bunch of solos running around complaining that they can't progress as fast as in all other soloable mmos. If you wanna play solo - expect to be slower than a snail in your progress. If you're ok with that pace - you'll enjoy the fuck out of Ashes.
Otr wrote: » Vospha wrote: » How do you think the game will play out for solo players? The game will be playable. Steven mentioned small fast caravans which will introduce solo players to the caravan system. Those will not be able to carry large crates. We often talk about the flagging system and 1 vs 1 encounters are also part of the debate. Then we seen a PvE event where players could join on one side or the other while it is in progress. Steven showcased sometime the PvE solo. Most likely there will be small ships too, maybe the equivalent of the solo caravan but on the ocean. The story part might be solo too. The group finding will be probably in taverns as you said: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Group_finder Your example of the solo secret area in the tower of Carphin feels against some design pillars. I don't see players paying monthly subscription to go and farm there unless IS will invest more effort to add more content for such players. Vospha wrote: » ... but I also feel that having 1 dungeon in like each continent or something for someone just wanting to do a bit of solo for an evening would hurt. Would hurt if there are only 2 dungeons and many more players want to go there. As you said in the OP... "but I know a lot of people enjoy doing a bunch of solo adventuring" 2 dungeons for a lot of people?
Vospha wrote: » How do you think the game will play out for solo players?
Vospha wrote: » ... but I also feel that having 1 dungeon in like each continent or something for someone just wanting to do a bit of solo for an evening would hurt.
Zahie wrote: » How do you think the game will play out for solo players? After reading this I think it will be just fine. We're not creating a solo game, but it doesn't mean that we don't offer gameplay that is solo centric as well: It lives in addition to the social aspect of What MMOs provide; and so part of what we do in order to to give that element of gameplay is we have quest lines that are devoted towards solo players. We have hunting grounds. Obviously one of the benefits of being a solo player is you get to keep everything that drops. You don't have to share loot with a party or with friends; that's one benefit of being a solo player. But it's going to be more difficult to overcome challenges; and those individuals who are up to taking that additional level of of difficulty are going to excel perhaps in their character progression a bit faster than those who are more group-centric. It's going to be a little bit of a roll of the dice there because there are loot tables, there are reward tables that accompany that, but it's important to note that from a content perspective Ashes of Creation is looking to fulfill both that solo-oriented mind in gameplay as well as the group and social experience; and a lot of times those paths diverge: They move apart, they come back together; and that process is going to be seen throughout the leveling in Ashes of Creation where you'll have more opportunities for solo gameplay and some opportunities for group gameplay.[2] – Steven Sharif https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Solo_players
We're not creating a solo game, but it doesn't mean that we don't offer gameplay that is solo centric as well: It lives in addition to the social aspect of What MMOs provide; and so part of what we do in order to to give that element of gameplay is we have quest lines that are devoted towards solo players. We have hunting grounds. Obviously one of the benefits of being a solo player is you get to keep everything that drops. You don't have to share loot with a party or with friends; that's one benefit of being a solo player. But it's going to be more difficult to overcome challenges; and those individuals who are up to taking that additional level of of difficulty are going to excel perhaps in their character progression a bit faster than those who are more group-centric. It's going to be a little bit of a roll of the dice there because there are loot tables, there are reward tables that accompany that, but it's important to note that from a content perspective Ashes of Creation is looking to fulfill both that solo-oriented mind in gameplay as well as the group and social experience; and a lot of times those paths diverge: They move apart, they come back together; and that process is going to be seen throughout the leveling in Ashes of Creation where you'll have more opportunities for solo gameplay and some opportunities for group gameplay.[2] – Steven Sharif
Otr wrote: » In a Q&A Steven was asked what will AoC do to attract WoW players. He mentioned 20% of dungeons might be for them but somehow I understood these are also bound to story and will happen mostly during leveling. He often says "and I've always said our game's not going to be for everybody and that's okay" Now that start of Alpha 2 is getting close, many so called "content creators" will try to highlight how AoC doesn't comply with common expectations. This "not going to be for everybody" sentence will be repeated more often.
Vospha wrote: » But after joining a community/guild it as brought me out of my shell a LOT and I don't mind interacting with people any more and meeting new people, I even met with loads of people IRL from my community and it was fantastic! So I can definitely vouch for encouraging people to join guilds.
Dygz wrote: » The Ashes design includes stuff for solo players to do. The vast majority of the design caters to masses of people playing alongside each other while focused on completing the same tasks/challenges. Vospha wrote: » Just enjoying a nice adventure will be amazing in the game with all the scenery, you could just be a travelling solo adventurer going from city to city meeting people and such. Perhaps even become a merchant and build connections and pay for people to defend your caravan etc. That will not be a thing. Ashes is designed to for players to constantly be at high Risk.
Vospha wrote: » Just enjoying a nice adventure will be amazing in the game with all the scenery, you could just be a travelling solo adventurer going from city to city meeting people and such. Perhaps even become a merchant and build connections and pay for people to defend your caravan etc.
Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: » It's pointless because, in my 4 years of being here, I don't remember a single person who came here with those kinds of suggestions, got told "nah, the game is not about that", and then went "oh damn, didn't know that. Yeah, that's fine, I'll just chill then". It's all an exercise in futility for both sides of the discussion.
Vospha wrote: » Otr wrote: » In a Q&A Steven was asked what will AoC do to attract WoW players. He mentioned 20% of dungeons might be for them but somehow I understood these are also bound to story and will happen mostly during leveling. He often says "and I've always said our game's not going to be for everybody and that's okay" Now that start of Alpha 2 is getting close, many so called "content creators" will try to highlight how AoC doesn't comply with common expectations. This "not going to be for everybody" sentence will be repeated more often. I always hear people say the "the game won't be for everyone" and I agree, it won't be. But people say this without the encouragement of but everyone should at least try it, when I first heard about ashes way back I heard this statement and then heard from people saying "it is going to be impossible to play solo" & "don't bother playing if your just gonna play solo". Which is why I ended up joining a guild (which was a great thing to happen anyway), so I feel people need to know that even if they ARE just going to play solo everyone should try it as it might still be one of the most enjoyable games they have ever played.
Dygz wrote: » Vospha wrote: » Just enjoying a nice adventure will be amazing in the game with all the scenery, you could just be a travelling solo adventurer going from city to city meeting people and such. Perhaps even become a merchant and build connections and pay for people to defend your caravan etc. That will not be a thing. Ashes is designed to for players to constantly be at high Risk.
Otr wrote: » Vospha wrote: » Otr wrote: » In a Q&A Steven was asked what will AoC do to attract WoW players. He mentioned 20% of dungeons might be for them but somehow I understood these are also bound to story and will happen mostly during leveling. He often says "and I've always said our game's not going to be for everybody and that's okay" Now that start of Alpha 2 is getting close, many so called "content creators" will try to highlight how AoC doesn't comply with common expectations. This "not going to be for everybody" sentence will be repeated more often. I always hear people say the "the game won't be for everyone" and I agree, it won't be. But people say this without the encouragement of but everyone should at least try it, when I first heard about ashes way back I heard this statement and then heard from people saying "it is going to be impossible to play solo" & "don't bother playing if your just gonna play solo". Which is why I ended up joining a guild (which was a great thing to happen anyway), so I feel people need to know that even if they ARE just going to play solo everyone should try it as it might still be one of the most enjoyable games they have ever played. You can see in my fist post which you also quoted that I presented things a solo player can do. That was the first part which I written fast. Then I thought a lot how to end the post so you don't feel bad but at the same time to realize why such dungeons as you suggested are against the game pillars. Given how P0GG0 was commenting in the thread, I had to remind him what Steven often says. And I have no reason to give people false hopes as long as Steven wants the game to be as documented on wiki. You put in quotation marks "it is going to be impossible to play solo" I never said "impossible". That is what you hear. Maybe other people have similar high expectations... like Dygz. Dygz wrote: » Vospha wrote: » Just enjoying a nice adventure will be amazing in the game with all the scenery, you could just be a travelling solo adventurer going from city to city meeting people and such. Perhaps even become a merchant and build connections and pay for people to defend your caravan etc. That will not be a thing. Ashes is designed to for players to constantly be at high Risk. A nice adventure is when somebody tries to kill you and you escape. You can look at the scenery too. You will not be in danger all the time. Traveling from city to city without caravans will definitely be possible. But with small fast caravans, it will be a nice adventure. You can be a merchant too. If you are skilled at predicting prices and talking to people, for sure you can find others to help you out. You just drive the caravan and they fight.
P0GG0 wrote: » crazy how many words are used to say nothing.
P0GG0 wrote: » you guys dont understand that this whole thread could be summarised in 4 sentences. then those talking point are sent to the meetings at intrepid. they have 0 interest in ur endless debates when the game is in alpha. you social media generation have no idea how unimportant u are.
Dygz wrote: » I mean... that's pretty much what I said. Of course, "I'll just chill" typically means "I'll play some other game that better fits my playstyle." And then those people leave the Forums.
Vospha wrote: » P0GG0 wrote: » you guys dont understand that this whole thread could be summarised in 4 sentences. then those talking point are sent to the meetings at intrepid. they have 0 interest in ur endless debates when the game is in alpha. you social media generation have no idea how unimportant u are. These discussions are for the community, not just for the devs to do stuff to the game. The whole point in a forum is to DISCUSS things 😂 The devs will look at a lot of the forums to see what people's opinions are and they will specifically ask for opinions on many things as they do, but at the end of the day this is here to see what other people think about a topic. Not just you.
Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: » And by "I'm gonna chill" I didn't mean "I'm gonna go play other stuff", I meant "I'm gonna play the game for what it is, rather than for what I want it to be".
