Solo Players - Thoughts?

So as the title says, this discussion will be based on solo players. I am currently in a glorious guild & community that I have been in for a long time so I don't personally plan on doing many things solo, but I know a lot of people enjoy doing a bunch of solo adventuring and perhaps maybe I have a solo character just to see how that turns out for some fun when the game launches.

So what are your thoughts on a few things.
What do you want as a solo player
Personally if I was to tackle this game solo and with the knowledge that it's tailored to group gameplay, I would say that for a solo experience I would like to see at least some things implemented in terms of content like for example; perhaps the tower of Carphin has a secret area that only allows one persons mortal coil to enter and it is essentially the same as other games with tower content, you kill trash, kill a boss go to the next level and the Mobs and bosses get harder and harder until you get to like the final boss and for that you really gotta be a skilled player in order to kill it. And with that keeping it to the Ashes sort of hardcore theme, if you die then have it set so you drop everything you got from the Tower till you leave the tower. Then when you leave it reverts to the dropping 20% of materials sorta thing, that way people cant just unalive to get out of the Tower quicker.

Perhaps you can even have mini little ships that you can take out to see and attempt to fight some see monsters etc without needing a massive ship?

Some smaller dungeons that aren't massive and filled with mountains of things, just a small little crack randomly in the side of a mountain with some little hidden corridors and traps etc. (obviously you can't stop people from swarming with guilds but going for bigger fish is more beneficial anyways, so why waste time)

How do you think the game will play out for solo players?
We already know the game isn't going to be tailored for solo players, but despite that I don't see it being impossible to play for solo players. I'm hoping that they implement some sort of LFG (calm down and wait, not a WoW LFG 😂), what I mean by LFG is probably the wrong wording but having the ability to go to a tavern or something and see like a board or something that shows groups and if they are getting a group together for a boss etc. It has the username who put it up and when and where to go, then you can message them and tell them to add to group and then you head over and done pretty much. Think that would be cool and immersive.

As for how it will play out potentially in reality, I see it being hard. I mean if you are artisan main then going round chopping trees and mining etc in the open world, it won't be terrible as long as you keep an eye out for people and stay away so you don't get attacked and loose materials. For people who want to do dungeons and open world stuff I can't really see that being an option to tackle solo unless you are very skilled and just very good at kiting Mobs and pulling set amounts etc. But even then I don't think you'd survive against the bosses haha.

The questing I think will be fine for solos for the most part and just enjoying a nice adventure will be amazing in the game with all the scenery, you could just be a travelling solo adventurer going from city to city meeting people and such. Perhaps even become a merchant and build connections and pay for people to defend your caravan etc.

What does everyone else think?

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Ludullu

Noaani wrote: »

However, the question then becomes - what happens if you don't like the game for what it is?

At that point you definitely just go play other stuff, as a lot of people will when they realize that Ashes won't be for them. It's just that some of those people stick around and constantly complain that the game is not for them, and that it SHOULD be for them or it dies.

ItsNoGood

P0GG0 wrote: »

you guys spam all day with blocks of words that mean nothing. this is helping none.
you mixing ideas with endless mental gymnastic intrepid should be doing. you guys dont realise you slowing them down.
if any of you somehow showed up at their building they'd call security. real life vs social media.
i'm old enuf to know that the most talkative people on thee internet are not the most competent.

Ayeveegaming1

Noaani wrote: »

Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: »

And by "I'm gonna chill" I didn't mean "I'm gonna go play other stuff", I meant "I'm gonna play the game for what it is, rather than for what I want it to be".

This is what I did with Archeage when my guild left.

However, the question then becomes - what happens if you don't like the game for what it is?

I believe that is a gamble you take when you back an unfinished product.

Dolyem

ItsNoGood wrote: »

P0GG0 wrote: »

you guys spam all day with blocks of words that mean nothing. this is helping none.
you mixing ideas with endless mental gymnastic intrepid should be doing. you guys dont realise you slowing them down.
if any of you somehow showed up at their building they'd call security. real life vs social media.
i'm old enuf to know that the most talkative people on thee internet are not the most competent.

I actually laughed out loud at this

AirborneBerserker

I want to make a distinction between solo and single players for clarification purposes.

Solo Player- Someone who does all the content they can by themselves and will rarely group or join a guild

Single Player- Someone who likes to level and experience the world on their own but will group for group content that suggests groups and will join a guild

Vospha wrote: »

How do you think the game will play out for solo players?

It wont. Most solo players will quit the game before the 2 month mark. There are just too many quit moments in this game for anyone that isn't a hardcore player running with an uber guild. Yes that includes smaller guilds even groupies (people that group up with friends even isn't necessary). Most people keep forgetting the simple fact that MMOs steer away from rewarding ganking people because it's a bad idea, because it chokes off new players. Punishing them for not knowing about the game on launch. It's actually funny because this game will probably have a Wild Star life span. Lots of people will play it at launch but the lack of new players and the overwhelming desire of the community to force people to play the way they think the game should be played rather then how they will best enjoy it. The Irony being if the devs made the entire game soloable every person that wanted to group to do the content still could, on the other hand ensures no one that wants to solo content can. It's some mutated for of elitism.

Oh and by the way Steven. Grouping makes you more powerful and as a result makes it safer for you to level and easier to figure out your build. This means you should definitely not get a bonus to xp since it flys in the face of "risk vs reward" not to mention people will just group up, burn through most of your single player content leveling much faster then you intended and leaving the solo/single players with very little to do. If anything people should get an XP nerf due to the game being both easier and safer while grouped.

Vospha wrote: »

What do you want as a solo player

What I want is irrelevant, but given you asked. I want what amounts to a tutorial at max level. It would be a series of instanced dungeons which at the end leaves you with a set of ok gear at max level, can only be completed solo, and gives you an achievement which you can then link. This will serve a few purposes:

1: to teach the player how the class works at max level.

2: Sets a base line of power for each class to have when doing max level dungeons/raids

3: Teachs raid mechanics without certain death looming over charcters.

4: Allows Guilds/groups to easily assess how competent a players is with thier class in comparison to the raid/dungeon they are running.

5: It gives people who lack the confidence/gear a way to know they have what it takes to raid.

6: it gives solo/single players an "end" to work towards

The question is should the AoC devs do any of this. The short answer is no. Because AoC is one of the most anti-solo/casual/single player games have ever seen ever. This is coming from a person that played EQ in 1999 so I have seen some games that shit on solo/single players.

I'll probably make a separate post on why this game is so bad for solo/single players, and explain why the hype levels are bad for the game.

Dolyem

P0GG0 wrote: »

so funny the same 10 kids ranting to each other. yall need a job.

I have never spoke to @ItsNoGood before. It also looks like they are a brand new account. Why are you so against people typing on the internet while you are also typing on the internet? Go ahead and post your opinions and suggestions, just dont take it personally when people critique those suggestions and opinions. Intrepid has said time and again they want feedback, not any single individual players feedback alone, but all player feedback.

Effah

Dolyem wrote: »

P0GG0 wrote: »

so funny the same 10 kids ranting to each other. yall need a job.

I have never spoke to @ItsNoGood before. It also looks like they are a brand new account. Why are you so against people typing on the internet while you are also typing on the internet? Go ahead and post your opinions and suggestions, just dont take it personally when people critique those suggestions and opinions. Intrepid has said time and again they want feedback, not any single individual players feedback alone, but all player feedback.

this has nothing to do with me or you. its about helping intrepid. sadly you guys are the reason forums have become a meme.
half of what i read out here should be done on a discord chat.
keep it simple, even if some idea sound bad you will not be the one convincing, the studio will be.
this aint a social hub grow up.

Dolyem

P0GG0 wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

P0GG0 wrote: »

so funny the same 10 kids ranting to each other. yall need a job.

I have never spoke to @ItsNoGood before. It also looks like they are a brand new account. Why are you so against people typing on the internet while you are also typing on the internet? Go ahead and post your opinions and suggestions, just dont take it personally when people critique those suggestions and opinions. Intrepid has said time and again they want feedback, not any single individual players feedback alone, but all player feedback.

this has nothing to do with me or you. its about helping intrepid. sadly you guys are the reason forums have become a meme.
half of what i read out here should be done on a discord chat.
keep it simple, even if some idea sound bad you will not be the one convincing, the studio will be.
this aint a social hub grow up.

I may have made the meme forum, but as far as most other forum discussions go its all feedback. Arguments provide points on why or why not to do things. Different people posting different points of views provides Intrepid with a wide range of viewpoints to pull inspiration from and to catch potential flaws in systems.
If you truly believed what you are saying you would never even bother posting on the forums in the first place as you are contributing to the discussion. You're only upset that others are giving differing points of view it seems.

Noaani

P0GG0 wrote: »

its about helping intrepid.

Intrepid have a combined 350+ years of experience in making MMORPG's.

Effah

Dolyem wrote: »

P0GG0 wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

P0GG0 wrote: »

so funny the same 10 kids ranting to each other. yall need a job.

I have never spoke to @ItsNoGood before. It also looks like they are a brand new account. Why are you so against people typing on the internet while you are also typing on the internet? Go ahead and post your opinions and suggestions, just dont take it personally when people critique those suggestions and opinions. Intrepid has said time and again they want feedback, not any single individual players feedback alone, but all player feedback.

this has nothing to do with me or you. its about helping intrepid. sadly you guys are the reason forums have become a meme.
half of what i read out here should be done on a discord chat.
keep it simple, even if some idea sound bad you will not be the one convincing, the studio will be.
this aint a social hub grow up.

I may have made the meme forum, but as far as most other forum discussions go its all feedback. Arguments provide points on why or why not to do things. Different people posting different points of views provides Intrepid with a wide range of viewpoints to pull inspiration from and to catch potential flaws in systems.
If you truly believed what you are saying you would never even bother posting on the forums in the first place as you are contributing to the discussion. You're only upset that others are giving differing points of view it seems.

you just posted the same argument twice, thanks for proving my point.

Noaani

P0GG0 wrote: »

you just posted the same argument twice, thanks for proving my point.

Generally when people do this, it is because the person they are replying to is so far off yet thinks they are absolutely on point, that all you can do is attempt to reword your point in the hopes that they understand it at least a little bit the second time around.

Either that of the person they are replying to is simply talking around that point, or ignoring it all together.

Dolyem

P0GG0 wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

P0GG0 wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

P0GG0 wrote: »

so funny the same 10 kids ranting to each other. yall need a job.

I have never spoke to @ItsNoGood before. It also looks like they are a brand new account. Why are you so against people typing on the internet while you are also typing on the internet? Go ahead and post your opinions and suggestions, just dont take it personally when people critique those suggestions and opinions. Intrepid has said time and again they want feedback, not any single individual players feedback alone, but all player feedback.

this has nothing to do with me or you. its about helping intrepid. sadly you guys are the reason forums have become a meme.
half of what i read out here should be done on a discord chat.
keep it simple, even if some idea sound bad you will not be the one convincing, the studio will be.
this aint a social hub grow up.

I may have made the meme forum, but as far as most other forum discussions go its all feedback. Arguments provide points on why or why not to do things. Different people posting different points of views provides Intrepid with a wide range of viewpoints to pull inspiration from and to catch potential flaws in systems.
If you truly believed what you are saying you would never even bother posting on the forums in the first place as you are contributing to the discussion. You're only upset that others are giving differing points of view it seems.

you just posted the same argument twice, thanks for proving my point.

Youre right, how silly of me. What you are saying is clearly helping intrepid. How could anyone else who has been playing MMOs for decades have anything constructive to say after all.

Hinotori

ItsNoGood wrote: »

P0GG0 wrote: »

you guys spam all day with blocks of words that mean nothing. this is helping none.
you mixing ideas with endless mental gymnastic intrepid should be doing. you guys dont realise you slowing them down.
if any of you somehow showed up at their building they'd call security. real life vs social media.
i'm old enuf to know that the most talkative people on thee internet are not the most competent.

Masterfully executed.

10/10.

ReLamas

While Ashes of Creation offers a rich and diverse world that caters to different playstyles, it is clear that there will be content specifically designed for group play. For solo players, this means certain challenges and activities may not be feasible to tackle alone. For instance, high-level dungeons, world bosses, and large-scale events will likely require coordination and teamwork that surpass what a single player can manage.

However, the game also aims to provide a variety of group sizes for different content. This means that while massive raid events or certain node sieges will require large groups, other activities might be tailored for smaller, more casual groups. This allows for flexibility in how players engage with the world, ensuring that while not everything is soloable, there are still plenty of opportunities for smaller groups or even solo players to enjoy meaningful and rewarding experiences.

In essence, to fully experience all the content Ashes of Creation has to offer, forming or joining a group will be necessary at times. The game design emphasizes a social and collaborative community, which can enhance the gameplay experience by encouraging players to interact and work together.

Dygz

Otr wrote: »

You will not be in danger all the time.
Traveling from city to city without caravans will definitely be possible. But with small fast caravans, it will be a nice adventure.
You can be a merchant too. If you are skilled at predicting prices and talking to people, for sure you can find others to help you out. You just drive the caravan and they fight.

Ashes is designed for players to have high Risk 90% of the time.
Sure, players will not be in danger inside of a Freehold House or their own Player Stalls. But people will not be having adventures there.

Dygz

Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: »

At that point you definitely just go play other stuff, as a lot of people will when they realize that Ashes won't be for them. It's just that some of those people stick around and constantly complain that the game is not for them, and that it SHOULD be for them or it dies.

Well, I mean... that's why Steven is trying to be as transparent as possible and provide Alpha access early - so the devs can make changes the playerbase wants.
That's why the Dunir got a revamp after Alpha 1 - to the extent that we have not seen them in the game in the past 3 years.
The issue is more about how the changes being demanded would better support the Core Pillars (...or not).

Vospha

P0GG0 wrote: »

Vospha wrote: »

P0GG0 wrote: »

you guys dont understand that this whole thread could be summarised in 4 sentences. then those talking point are sent to the meetings at intrepid. they have 0 interest in ur endless debates when the game is in alpha.
you social media generation have no idea how unimportant u are.

These discussions are for the community, not just for the devs to do stuff to the game. The whole point in a forum is to DISCUSS things 😂

The devs will look at a lot of the forums to see what people's opinions are and they will specifically ask for opinions on many things as they do, but at the end of the day this is here to see what other people think about a topic. Not just you.

you guys spam all day with blocks of words that mean nothing. this is helping none.
you mixing ideas with endless mental gymnastic intrepid should be doing. you guys dont realise you slowing them down.
if any of you somehow showed up at their building they'd call security. real life vs social media.
i'm old enuf to know that the most talkative people on thee internet are not the most competent.

Craaaazy how your still spamming your nonsense when we are trying to have a discussion, we aren't pushing our ideas onto intrepid. We are discussing solo playing to see how other people play and what other people would hope to see, we aren't here with massive banners stating we want these mechanics or else.

As I stated before it's a discussion not suggestion or demand, so please do explain why we would slow them down? That's like going to a coffee shop and discussing with other people there about the coffee you like and then you come in and start shouting "WTF?! These people cant make coffee while your discussing it, your slowing them down damn it!" if your not interested in discussing the top then you can leave. Not a difficult concept my friend.

Edit:
Forums aren't just here for intrepid, it's not just here for feedback and it's not just here for suggestions. I can only imagine how much ill see you spamming other people's discussions when people actually starting using the forums to discuss the game during alpha 2 in this 'General Discussions' section.

Vospha

ItsNoGood wrote: »

P0GG0 wrote: »

you guys spam all day with blocks of words that mean nothing. this is helping none.
you mixing ideas with endless mental gymnastic intrepid should be doing. you guys dont realise you slowing them down.
if any of you somehow showed up at their building they'd call security. real life vs social media.
i'm old enuf to know that the most talkative people on thee internet are not the most competent.

Perfection 👌🤣

Vospha

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

As a solo player myself, a big worry I have is not finding people to group up with when I do want/or need to be in a group, such as dungeons/node wars etc. But 90% of my time in Ashes will be solo.

However, I do think the rewards system should benefit smaller ball groups/solo players vs zergs as it requires more skill, coordination and teamwork.

In general, I have never had fun in 20+++ groups in ESO, all my memories and fun from that game have been in very small intimate 4-5 people groups.

I see where your coming from and tbf for the party system when not doing raiding content or content requiring a raid size group like World bosses etc. You can have a max party size of 8 I believe which I think is how it will be most of the time when exploring the world and doing a lot of content. So I don't think you have to worry about 24/7 zurg fests unless you linger around world bosses and stuff too long.

Without an LFG system and only using in game means I can see why you might worry, I don't think it's going to be too bad and I'm hoping the design they are going for with finding groups in game will work.

Arya_Yeshe

ItsNoGood wrote: »

P0GG0 wrote: »

you guys spam all day with blocks of words that mean nothing. this is helping none.
you mixing ideas with endless mental gymnastic intrepid should be doing. you guys dont realise you slowing them down.
if any of you somehow showed up at their building they'd call security. real life vs social media.
i'm old enuf to know that the most talkative people on thee internet are not the most competent.

omg this img is amazing

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