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Once again thank you for providing evidence for the Dunir flip animation being extremely goofy. Look at the initial motions for heft that guy does before he's able to do a flip, and look how heavy the landing is. That visual weight is entirely lacking in the previews, which are very floaty and don't convey any sense of mass in what has been advertised as a traditional, stocky dwarven race. It looks more like Dunir are under a levitation effect at all times when that is, very unfortunately, the current every-time default jump animation
Edit: I have notice you've taken a stance of it not being literally impossible for a heavy built person to flip, which yeah, obviously everyone knows that. The problem is that no one would ever flip like that as a regular part of motion, not even elves or humans. It's a strenuous and energy-wasteful way to move
No examples yet of flips up onto objects and landing on feet with or without a run up.
I agree the Dunir model needs to be about 10% larger as a baseline.
The Rune Carver cosmetic set implies the Dunir are capable of scribed spell imbuement...
haa, whats the point , its not like the female models in Ahses look like actual females or the armors got any hint of femininity and uniquness , its either dudes or dudes with bras is what we playing. and they never answered the question and and probably avoiding it , if they dont say anything about it in the upcoming AMA they'll just be your typical western devs wanna make everything ugly despite knowing 99% of the players want actualy good looking females in the game along with cool and feminine,hot..etc armors instead of a copy of the male ones.
This athlete doesn't embody the image of a dwarf. A fat strongman would be more accurate. Now, share a fat strongman doin front flips.
You are literally doing this meme:
The Ashes female models look like women, you’re just a bit well..
Maladjusted? Gooned? Whatever it’s called these days, but you definitely need to exist outside of the internet for a while if you genuinely think the female models look like men just because they don’t have bad comic book proportions
Why should I enjoy a morbidly obese man doing a back flip after a hand plant....I hope his knees will be fine in 5 years...
I want to see the clip of anyone doing a front flip up onto a 3ft platform and landing on their feet with or without full plate armor and a 2 ft beard and a run up...
I'm not playing EQ or intend to play a dwarf in EQ and obtain the easter egg flip ability...
Successful fantasy IP's are based on realism...you need some element of tangibility to make it believable and keep it grounded. There's is a difference between losing realism and it just becoming whimsical folly.
I'm not against races front flipping Just give it to the "cooler Nikua" you'll see far for flipping people videos on the beach and into water than on cliffs or in mineshafts ,
or give the flips to the beardless Py'rai and use their horns as the counter weight argument...
Some of us backed the game and intend to play it for the life of the game...Not just flip in and out because its a popular trend and dip after a month.
I backed EQ next...that didn't turn out well...
I'm all for Dwarves jumping normally and rolling/tumbling...So I agree with you.
I didn't think this would still be an issue 3 years later either...As I expected common sense to prevail.
not to nitpick, but no one has absolute numbers. What we do have is players that care about role play and char who do not. The char that care about role play care about the actions of the race they choose. It is built into people for many years who have role played. Flipping dwarves is not the tradition for dwarves. Yes, rolling, tumbling, but not flipping. To me, and others that I have personally talked to (not a consensus by any means) do not like it. Now the other players who do not care about role play but want the flip, why does it matter so much? Role players play the game for a role, and stay in char. Others do not, they do not care about role play and such. I have asked others why they like the flip, and the only answer I can get is "because I want it". Ok, that is an answer. But if you weigh the arguments, who has more to lose with this? Why do the people who care about the lore and the races take second chair to people who do not care one bit? It almost seems they are purposely for the flip because role players are generally against it. It makes no sense to me really. I hope Intrepid understands this argument.
you are just using one example. I am trying to form an argument for no flipping. Why do you want flipping?
I mean this post only has 17 likes and these forums are fairly active so far as I’ve been able to tell.
Most people either do not care or like the random emote that does absolutely nothing to affect other players. Except in the black sheep moment where someone is choosing to be offended by a visual action. Games are meant to be a median to both enjoy and express yourself.
One side is arguing to remove something that some players have clearly shown a like for. Whereas the other is arguing to just leave them alone to enjoy all the flips they want. The game isn’t strictly a roleplay game. If you don’t like flipping dwarves you certainly don’t need to utilize it and there’s nothing stopping these “pure dwarf roleplay groups” from banning the use of that action within their own guild atmosphere's.
so why do you want flipping? Those numbers are not based on anything but speculation and not very good metrics. I'm trying to get to your opinion. Not speculation on likes and such. Its not a very good metric because there is no dislike button to compare it to. So again. What is your reason for liking the flip compared to the role players reason to not wanting the flip?
These forums are not a true representation for statistics at all. You get more metrics out of watching streamers/content creators talk about it. Even the discord is way better than these forums. But these forums are what Intrepid looks at for feedback. I understand this game is not a RP game for you. But for others it is a reason to play. We all have our playstyles and one is not better than the other and we all want the best for Ashes. My point is why does it matter so much to people that do not care about role play? I mean roleplayers value things like this in the proper context. I am all for elves flipping. Or other races really. But it just does not fit dwarves, as many have stated. So again, if you are not into role play, why does it matter to you, when it clearly has a great effect on those of us that do roleplay.
Views are nonsensical on these forums - you can artificially rise the views but exiting and entering a thread repeatedly. Also, 32 likes is a phenomenal amount given that most people don't get more than 1.
The forum has some discord members which is natural, but, the Domains are separate. Most discord people direct others to the forums to have these discussions in a simpler format. I am not surprised the majority of discord has not flooded the forums. The fact you alone bring up these reports about the dwarf only guilds just goes to show how limited those dwarf only guilds are in the day to day forum grind.
You keep doubling down on insignificant data. Also you offer nothing of your own opinion, just recycling your old talking points. So far there has only been a couple people that I have read in these forums that are actually for the flipping. How many likes do these people get in favor of it? Post those numbers as well maybe.
Then you have no basis at all for your argument. None at all. I do believe you are just grandstanding like a politician. All words with no meaning lol. Now I have a question. Do you understand my point? Am I making myself clear for you to understand my argument?
you have not answered one of my questions. Please answer them and we can move on.
Evades again....
and who tickled your pickle , i am saying it as it is and i never played a female character in games unless i was forced to , in fact i always go for the big weird /ugly monster race if it exists in a game or whatever close to it .
the models look bad especially the faces they look like they belong in concord lol , here go u ahead tell me the difference
but lets pretend and say the character creator comes out and its out of this world and it lets us make actual decent lookin character thats one problem fixed but it dosent change the horrible armors that are male ones almost copy pasted with a slight boob nudge in them , they got 0 uniqueness, 0 femininty and no style/hot..etc or nice looking clothes whatsoever and u can hate it all you want but the majority of people like that stuff. and intrepid will be mad stupid if they dont listen to feedback and at least give players the choice or they dont want that and wanna be like your current typical western devs i guess.
I highly recommend taking a break from the erotica if you genuinely have difficulties telling the obvious woman apart from the man. And also maybe visit an optometrist.
There are certain criticisms and feedback that are justified and have a lot of thought put into them, and then there’s whatever you’re complaining about which seems to boil down to wanting women to look more like eye candy than, y’know, skilled warrior and mages that have returned to come retame Verra. If you don’t plan on playing women, as you say, then what would it even matter to you if the armor is consistent across the two sexes rather than one being inexplicably more skimpy?
He said outright he doesn’t play female characters, then complained about the same armor not looking hot/sexy when equipped on women. 1+1=2 isn’t exactly complex.
If you’d like to level criticism for derailing, you could start with the guy that went off about how Intrepid’s normal looking women aren’t hot enough and also ranted about how female dwarves with beards is an unthinkable and hideous concept as something to offer players.
None of this actually changes that dwarves flipping with the current animation looks absurd and lacks all sense of mass. The animations in general need another pass to fix that floaty factor that persists across a lot of movement. Even the fighter showcase has instances of the player’s feet sliding on the ground.
You could easily read back and see it isn't a strawman. It's what was said, outright, in very clear text, not mincing words there.
You also haven't addressed my point in any way, which is that the dwarven flip animations as they exist don't convey any sense of weight, which makes them look very goofy, cartoony, and overall mismatched to the otherwise realistic aesthetics Ashes is using. It's an issue that isn't exclusive to that particular animation, but it is much more glaring when the stout, stocky race (a description from the developers themselves) is doing acrobatics as a casual part of motion with no lead-up motion, no particular hang time with the inherent inertia behind a dense build, and no oomph to the landing.
I'll kindly ask that if you want to continue a discussion to address the point above, and stop contributing to the derailing.