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This actually proves very well why the current flip animation is so ridiculous. Look at how easily you can see the force they’re using to do this, now look at the Dunir hopping around more akin to a Sonic game where there’s zero visual weight behind the movement.
That those people are making money off showcasing their flips is also a very good indicator that it isn’t common, and is actually very difficult to do with a heavy build (and for that reason surprising and impressive to see).
No, it was Eddie Hall being years late to something that was super popular on lifting Youtube almost a decade ago. Just because things get views on Youtube doesn't mean it's rare or hard, e.g., eating tide pods was getting millions of views. And Dwarves that are depicted in modern MMOs are all like 4'5'' with 24 inch biceps and the rest of the body to match, except for a powerlifting paunch and no serratus anterior development. To be surprised that a 4'5'' man with the body of a 6'5'' bodybuilder on roids can do things you can't is the very definition of absurd. It's fantasy; things will be fantastical.
Once again thank you for providing evidence for the Dunir flip animation being extremely goofy. Look at the initial motions for heft that guy does before he's able to do a flip, and look how heavy the landing is. That visual weight is entirely lacking in the previews, which are very floaty and don't convey any sense of mass in what has been advertised as a traditional, stocky dwarven race. It looks more like Dunir are under a levitation effect at all times when that is, very unfortunately, the current every-time default jump animation
Edit: I have notice you've taken a stance of it not being literally impossible for a heavy built person to flip, which yeah, obviously everyone knows that. The problem is that no one would ever flip like that as a regular part of motion, not even elves or humans. It's a strenuous and energy-wasteful way to move
No examples yet of flips up onto objects and landing on feet with or without a run up.
I agree the Dunir model needs to be about 10% larger as a baseline.
The Rune Carver cosmetic set implies the Dunir are capable of scribed spell imbuement...
haa, whats the point , its not like the female models in Ahses look like actual females or the armors got any hint of femininity and uniquness , its either dudes or dudes with bras is what we playing. and they never answered the question and and probably avoiding it , if they dont say anything about it in the upcoming AMA they'll just be your typical western devs wanna make everything ugly despite knowing 99% of the players want actualy good looking females in the game along with cool and feminine,hot..etc armors instead of a copy of the male ones.
This athlete doesn't embody the image of a dwarf. A fat strongman would be more accurate. Now, share a fat strongman doin front flips.
You are literally doing this meme:
The Ashes female models look like women, you’re just a bit well..
Maladjusted? Gooned? Whatever it’s called these days, but you definitely need to exist outside of the internet for a while if you genuinely think the female models look like men just because they don’t have bad comic book proportions
"Yes, bodybuilders can do acrobatics, but Dwarves aren't bodybuilders. Dwarves are just fat(no evidence, just trust me bro). There's a reason you don't see fat people doing acrobatics."
"Yes, fat people can do a flip, but [insert dumb goal post moving because literally 4 vocal people think everyone is incapable of seeing that they're a hypervocal minority on forums and they can't accept that EQ employees like the jump for Dwarves from EQ]"
^ we'll be here after this post, enjoy watching a morbidly obese man do a backflip. Looking forward to the cope and the tripling down on a losing 'realism' argument over a fantasy game.
Why should I enjoy a morbidly obese man doing a back flip after a hand plant....I hope his knees will be fine in 5 years...
I want to see the clip of anyone doing a front flip up onto a 3ft platform and landing on their feet with or without full plate armor and a 2 ft beard and a run up...
I'm not playing EQ or intend to play a dwarf in EQ and obtain the easter egg flip ability...
Successful fantasy IP's are based on realism...you need some element of tangibility to make it believable and keep it grounded. There's is a difference between losing realism and it just becoming whimsical folly.
I'm not against races front flipping Just give it to the "cooler Nikua" you'll see far for flipping people videos on the beach and into water than on cliffs or in mineshafts ,
or give the flips to the beardless Py'rai and use their horns as the counter weight argument...
Some of us backed the game and intend to play it for the life of the game...Not just flip in and out because its a popular trend and dip after a month.
Considering you made this same argument over 3 years ago and could only get 32 likes on the discussion, with it making the rounds in most, if not all, the dwarf-only guilds, yes, you are coping. That's the politest way to communicate it too. More players in the dwarf-only guilds don't care/like the flips than those who dislike the flips, as has been shown over and over again. I'd know; I'm in one; I've seen the attempts to call to arms over things that fall flat(like this topic), and it's getting quite a tad annoying to see people threatening a false majority when they personally don't like things: the whole "I'm in a dwarf-only guild and the dwarf-only guilds don't like X" shtick is beyond tired, manipulative, false, egregious, and disrespectful.
Dwarf jump rolls have been a staple for the fantasy race in MMOs since 1999. And back to the topic of how more dwarves in the dwarf-only guilds support the EQ jump flips, look at how this thread only has 17 likes after almost 2 weeks being up and being posted in dwarf-only guild discords. Take a hint maybe and do polls in the dwarf-only guilds before trying to speak for others. At least with a poll people won't embarrass themselves thinking they speak for all Dwarf players. 17 likes and it's been posted in multiple discords, come on. Can't even astroturf a majority on this topic smh
As for not wanting EQ stuff, then why are you following a game that has more ex-EQ employees than any other MMO in development atm? (barring Pantheon possibly but surprisingly Ashes has more ex-EQ employees than Monsters&Memories.)
I backed EQ next...that didn't turn out well...
I'm all for Dwarves jumping normally and rolling/tumbling...So I agree with you.
I didn't think this would still be an issue 3 years later either...As I expected common sense to prevail.
Something needs to be widely accepted for it to be common sense. One of these posts you'll learn that and stop trying to appeal to a false majority. 32 likes in over 3 years with it being posted in most dwarf-only guild discords. Reality check moment tbh
not to nitpick, but no one has absolute numbers. What we do have is players that care about role play and char who do not. The char that care about role play care about the actions of the race they choose. It is built into people for many years who have role played. Flipping dwarves is not the tradition for dwarves. Yes, rolling, tumbling, but not flipping. To me, and others that I have personally talked to (not a consensus by any means) do not like it. Now the other players who do not care about role play but want the flip, why does it matter so much? Role players play the game for a role, and stay in char. Others do not, they do not care about role play and such. I have asked others why they like the flip, and the only answer I can get is "because I want it". Ok, that is an answer. But if you weigh the arguments, who has more to lose with this? Why do the people who care about the lore and the races take second chair to people who do not care one bit? It almost seems they are purposely for the flip because role players are generally against it. It makes no sense to me really. I hope Intrepid understands this argument.
You don't need absolute numbers when 32 likes in 3 years would account for less than 10% of the known members of the dwarf-only guilds. No discussion to be had there
Edit: fixed typo with wrong %
you are just using one example. I am trying to form an argument for no flipping. Why do you want flipping?
I mean this post only has 17 likes and these forums are fairly active so far as I’ve been able to tell.
Most people either do not care or like the random emote that does absolutely nothing to affect other players. Except in the black sheep moment where someone is choosing to be offended by a visual action. Games are meant to be a median to both enjoy and express yourself.
One side is arguing to remove something that some players have clearly shown a like for. Whereas the other is arguing to just leave them alone to enjoy all the flips they want. The game isn’t strictly a roleplay game. If you don’t like flipping dwarves you certainly don’t need to utilize it and there’s nothing stopping these “pure dwarf roleplay groups” from banning the use of that action within their own guild atmosphere's.
The 1% was a typo; that should be 10%. And no, showing that only 32 people approved a message when it's been pushed for over 3 years is not "one example". It's the absolute fact of the matter. The overwhelming majority of Ashes either don't care or like the flips of the Dwarves. Otherwise, there'd be more than a single digit of individuals complaining about it between forums and Discord, and way more than low double digit likes on the forum posts with people trying to astroturf.
And the people who want to change something are those who have the burden of explaining why, not the people who want the developers work to be respected as is, so you explain, with convincing enough detail and rhetoric, why it should change. Maybe, just maybe, you'll get more than 0.01% of the Ashes playerbase to agree—granted that's probably an underestimation as there's over 12k+ in PirateSoftware's Ashes guild alone, so 320,000 for playerbase globally would be very low. p2w Lost Ark had 1 mil concurrent on Steam alone btw.
And that 0.01% of the population who will play Ashes is a very generous number for how unpopular disliking dwarf flips is with the available metrics. You're the 0.01%.
so why do you want flipping? Those numbers are not based on anything but speculation and not very good metrics. I'm trying to get to your opinion. Not speculation on likes and such. Its not a very good metric because there is no dislike button to compare it to. So again. What is your reason for liking the flip compared to the role players reason to not wanting the flip?
Only 32 likes on a thread from 3 years ago, that's still getting views(and has 2.5k views with 32 likes for the OP. Terrible engagement btw). So now quote reply me when you get around to crafting a convincing argument why the devs should scrap their hard work to appeal to the barely 0.01% of players who will end up playing Ashes.
These forums are not a true representation for statistics at all. You get more metrics out of watching streamers/content creators talk about it. Even the discord is way better than these forums. But these forums are what Intrepid looks at for feedback. I understand this game is not a RP game for you. But for others it is a reason to play. We all have our playstyles and one is not better than the other and we all want the best for Ashes. My point is why does it matter so much to people that do not care about role play? I mean roleplayers value things like this in the proper context. I am all for elves flipping. Or other races really. But it just does not fit dwarves, as many have stated. So again, if you are not into role play, why does it matter to you, when it clearly has a great effect on those of us that do roleplay.
That's a lot of typing to try and claim that this game will get fewer players than 320k at launch. That'd be wrong. You're the 0.01%
So explain why they should scrap dev work to appease ~32 people.
Views are nonsensical on these forums - you can artificially rise the views but exiting and entering a thread repeatedly. Also, 32 likes is a phenomenal amount given that most people don't get more than 1.