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Not when people in Dwarf-only guilds post threads in Discords to try and artificially push opinions. 32 is abysmal given the context. Better Dwarf guilds have leaders who throw links if people ask and do not try to astroturf tbh
The forum has some discord members which is natural, but, the Domains are separate. Most discord people direct others to the forums to have these discussions in a simpler format. I am not surprised the majority of discord has not flooded the forums. The fact you alone bring up these reports about the dwarf only guilds just goes to show how limited those dwarf only guilds are in the day to day forum grind.
Who likes posts is public. You can hover over and see. I'm in an RP Dwarf-only guild. And yes, dwarf-only guilds, even if all combined as one, are a hyper-minority on forums—which is why it was hilarious when someone in this thread falsely tried to appeal to the majority of that population being upset about flips. And you seem to be confused about the Discord discussion topic, so I'll break it down.
1. Someone maining a Dwarf dislikes something related to Dwarves in Ashes
2. They post in a dwarf-only discord and go to the next dwarf-only discord trying to drum up support, so on and so forth
3. They post on a thread to try and show support for an idea
Wonderful system and good community effort, sure. But it's an inorganic effort with not even triple digit likes to show for it(astroturfing btw). Hating flips isn't even popular in the dwarf-only section of Ashes. Sorry OP, flips will most probably stay. I'll think of you each time I flip in honor of the OG EQ Devs
You keep doubling down on insignificant data. Also you offer nothing of your own opinion, just recycling your old talking points. So far there has only been a couple people that I have read in these forums that are actually for the flipping. How many likes do these people get in favor of it? Post those numbers as well maybe.
Do you know the definition of opinion? I'm curious as you think I haven't shared it, and that is obnoxiously incorrect tbh
Then you have no basis at all for your argument. None at all. I do believe you are just grandstanding like a politician. All words with no meaning lol. Now I have a question. Do you understand my point? Am I making myself clear for you to understand my argument?
What? Which words do you think have no meaning? Are you just throwing platitudes out at this point and hoping something sticks?
you have not answered one of my questions. Please answer them and we can move on.
Ask a question that isn't obtuse, hasn't been explained already, and/or is relevant then.
Until then, let's talk about how the Bard showcase had 80k views, 663 comments, and only 1 negative comment about the dwarf jump. Search results for threads containing "dwarf"=11; results for "jump"=1; results for "flip"=0. Granted, only results for threads and not replies, but that many views and only one negative thread started about the dwarf jump, oof.
Evades again....
and who tickled your pickle , i am saying it as it is and i never played a female character in games unless i was forced to , in fact i always go for the big weird /ugly monster race if it exists in a game or whatever close to it .
the models look bad especially the faces they look like they belong in concord lol , here go u ahead tell me the difference
but lets pretend and say the character creator comes out and its out of this world and it lets us make actual decent lookin character thats one problem fixed but it dosent change the horrible armors that are male ones almost copy pasted with a slight boob nudge in them , they got 0 uniqueness, 0 femininty and no style/hot..etc or nice looking clothes whatsoever and u can hate it all you want but the majority of people like that stuff. and intrepid will be mad stupid if they dont listen to feedback and at least give players the choice or they dont want that and wanna be like your current typical western devs i guess.
I highly recommend taking a break from the erotica if you genuinely have difficulties telling the obvious woman apart from the man. And also maybe visit an optometrist.
There are certain criticisms and feedback that are justified and have a lot of thought put into them, and then there’s whatever you’re complaining about which seems to boil down to wanting women to look more like eye candy than, y’know, skilled warrior and mages that have returned to come retame Verra. If you don’t plan on playing women, as you say, then what would it even matter to you if the armor is consistent across the two sexes rather than one being inexplicably more skimpy?
I'm glad that the thread about Dwarves has derailed into someone claiming to have a PHD in Vek facial features and then deflecting to some weird argument about how criticism of Vek faces has to come from one wanting to sexualize pixels. Like what? Do some people not think before they post?
He said outright he doesn’t play female characters, then complained about the same armor not looking hot/sexy when equipped on women. 1+1=2 isn’t exactly complex.
If you’d like to level criticism for derailing, you could start with the guy that went off about how Intrepid’s normal looking women aren’t hot enough and also ranted about how female dwarves with beards is an unthinkable and hideous concept as something to offer players.
None of this actually changes that dwarves flipping with the current animation looks absurd and lacks all sense of mass. The animations in general need another pass to fix that floaty factor that persists across a lot of movement. Even the fighter showcase has instances of the player’s feet sliding on the ground.
What's absurd is you complaining about the physicality of Dwarves and then trying to strawman that guy who complained that Veks have no meaningful distinction between the sexes when it comes to facial features, and it's true. My favorite part was you trying to make it a matter of attractiveness and saying he needed to lay off the pron. With that logic, the people complaining about Dwarf physical features should lay off the homoerotica, your logic btw. Also, flips are great, as 99.99% of the population think
You could easily read back and see it isn't a strawman. It's what was said, outright, in very clear text, not mincing words there.
You also haven't addressed my point in any way, which is that the dwarven flip animations as they exist don't convey any sense of weight, which makes them look very goofy, cartoony, and overall mismatched to the otherwise realistic aesthetics Ashes is using. It's an issue that isn't exclusive to that particular animation, but it is much more glaring when the stout, stocky race (a description from the developers themselves) is doing acrobatics as a casual part of motion with no lead-up motion, no particular hang time with the inherent inertia behind a dense build, and no oomph to the landing.
I'll kindly ask that if you want to continue a discussion to address the point above, and stop contributing to the derailing.
As a player who is/was planning to play a Bard Dunir the Bard showcase took precedent...I could have commented about BrianF's beardless Dunir jump flips hitching on the environment...Or weather or not the flips cancel out attacks and skills and could be exploited to skill cancel in rotations...
But I opted to show my appreciation of how the Bard Class turned out...
Then the next day my 3 year old Dunir Flip thread gets bumped...Not by me by the way. But Im not shy of twisting the blade when its shown.
I'm not anti flip jump...It's just not Dunir dwarf appropriate. I have made justifiable examples why it would be better that the Nikua get it and yet there seems none of you "free thinking development types" logically supporting the move...
So I am more perplexed by the behavior and sentiment by the individuals like you Gaettusk. Because from my point of view, giving the Nikua a front flip basic jump actually makes logical sense and gives greater emphasis to the game lore narrative. Acrobatics tends to be a tribal pastime or linked to initiation rights of passage, the Nikua are perfect candidates...The Dunir are the polar opposite in culture and mannerism. But whatever seems people don't give 2 brain cells a rub together to care for lore in a game that's hopefully meant to last a decade or more...
As for the general look of the models improvements have been made, So I hope further changes are made in a positive light as clearly we're not quite there yet...But its important Intrepid gets all forms of feedback and not just panderers
im assuiming beards will be a customisable option?
"I'm going to derail and when called out, I'm going to strawman all opposition and ask people to pigeonhole their replies to what I want the conversation to be based on my erroneous desire for a fantasy game to be hyper realistic, but only in ways that I want it to be realistic."
You rn
As 99.99% of the community have shown. Flips are good, no flips are bad. Also, you did strawman the eff out of that guy's point, which was hilarious as you're one of the ones obsessed with the physical looks of Dwarves, pot meet kettle moment.
Edit: But since the diehard "Dwarves must be like World of Warhammer Dwarves or it's not a true Dwarf" crowd want to incessantly tag me in this thread, I'll let you in on a few things you clearly don't know.
Tolkien drew inspiration from all sources of classic literature, and the inspiration for his version of Dwarves came from Norse mythology. Dungeons and Dragons used Tolkien for their races, and so on and so forth. Your World of Warcraft and Warhammer Dwarves are just inspired by(copied from) Tolkien, as was Everquest.
Now that we all understand that all modern fantasy concerning Dwarves is just derivative of Norse mythology, we can talk about how Dwarves are more than likely just black elves in Norse mythology. The fun little svartálfar discussion
Or maybe we can pivot to a discussion about how the creation of Dwarves in Norse mythology is where Tolkien got a lot of names for characters. Or maybe we just pivot to how Ashes Dünir doing jump flips is more traditionally accurate of Dwarves than either Warhammer or Warcraft? It's absurd for people against jump flips to be this extreme in both their Dwarven puritanism and their ignorance.
Anyway, enjoy the primary source for Tolkien's Dwarves and therefore all the modern fantasy derivatives that borrowed from Tolkien:
Since you won’t participate in good faith, either intentionally or otherwise, I’m no longer going to engage with your lengthy rants about unrelated and non relevant topics.
You’ve got the right of it. Nikua having a coastal culture lends itself well to acrobatics like that, though the animation still definitely needs some work to make it look right and get that floaty, levitating aspect out of the overall vibe. Even a little dust cloud at the feet on landing would do a lot to add some visual oomph.
Yet here you are tagging me. Here's the right hook so I stop wasting my time with jabs. Everquest still has thousands playing it, and it was released in 1999. It has the same exact dwarf jump. Guess what, it's a classic and stands the test of time. #DwarfRollOnHaters
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Thats an awesome video
I'm pretty sure we won't get a smaller race then dwarves so the height doesn't bother me either.
I do agree however with the idea of making them beefier.
Also I don't think I saw a beard on the dwarf in the bard video, and that is going right into the book of grudges.
Dünir are not from Middle-Earth. Nor does Ashes take place on Middle-Earth.