Can we do something about Griefers ?

I'm on Shol server, this past two days have been an horrible experience. I'm looking to test Carphin Tower content, each time we go there there is one (1) player named Heiler from Standby Rubin guild that wants us to pay. We did not, he then proceeded to pull large packs of mobs onto us over and over again until we die. If we kill him we get corrupted, even if he dies from mobs, he's back within 2 minutes. He's at max level so doesn't care about exp debt.

I tried the day later, within 10 minutes he was here, apparently someone from our group was streaming. We moved to Gravespeak, he followed us all the way to grief us there as well.

I'm playing this game to test its content and provide feedback. I'm not interested in providing entertainment for some jobless loser. Want me to provide feedback about Carphin ? Well guess what every time I went there I got griefed.

I'm done playing until something is done.

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Gizban

ShivaFang wrote: »

This is the kind of thing open world pvp is for, though corruption is too harsh to deal with this kind of thing.. but it's an option.
This is the kind of thing you could do nothing at all about if open world pvp didn't exist.

Personally, I like to flag up and puppeteer the trainer and then use 'misdirection' to prevent the mobs from agroing me.

OWPVP doesn't work when they are 15 lvls over you.

Andi

The solution to this is:

- mobs have an aggro table
- whoever initiates aggro by pulling, even if by proximity, has a moderate amount
- the group of this player with initial aggro also has a certain amount of threat, if in range
- while the puller is still in range, any surrounding players engaging in combat with the mob gain threat accordingly
- if whoever had initial aggro vanishes, if nobody else is on the aggro table, the mob immediately leashes and resets

The problem with a PVP solution is that the other side can send a nude lowbie puller for you to flag on, which then enables them to wipe you.

Never
Ever
Underestimate how scummy players can be

Pham

Do a no-aggro leash return (no aggro while leashing, until mob returns to original position)

Also decrease the amount of aggro which can be accrued from simply being in proximity to less than what is accrued by pulling.

Make it so someone else has to attack them before they will de-aggro the initial puller.

Agripinensia

The only solution is to ban these ppl.

Heiler (and his companions) are actually the ones I talked about before in a more general manner.
YES, the AI needs to be better than it is currently as well - but the general problem is that these griefers do not understand the difference between using intended mechanics to create conflict and clear abuse.

They really don't - you can check the chat-logs in Shol's general chat for this (some is in german though as a large amount of the population including heiler are german).
They don't try to hide what they are doing and they are getting more (in the beginning it was just Heiler - now it is a few ppl doing these).

At the very least there needs to be an announcement and you need to go back in the logs for bans.

Why is it the only solution?
Well - I am a software engineer by trade and can tell you from experience that it is impossible to create a system beyond basic complexity (which any game with more than one system is) that cannot be exploited.

I am aware, that you (Intrepid) probably don't have the resources to deal with all the griefers in an efficient and effective manner.
That is why it is even more important to make examples out of them and regularly spotlight ways of griefing that will cause accounts to be banned.

I am (I know you - Steven - were joking - nonetheless) also in full support of pillories for suspensions and gallows for bans.
People who get suspensions tend to tell ppl they had "personal issues", ppl who get banned tend to tell ppl that they lost their passwords and such.
Make it public, shame them. Shame is very effective - as they can't hide it from the ppl that know them bc they are in Discord with them.
It should be clear that I am talking about the player characters here - no one should be doxed!!!

And PLEASE: Show your faces on EU Servers some time. I think part of why this seems to be more prevelant on the EU side is because there is a feeling that essentially no one cares what happens outside the NA realms.
(The fact that you seemingly removed all and not just the duped legendaries didn't help with that... - I for example had some legendary materials disappear - didn't matter as I didn't really have use for them but still not a good look

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ShivaFang

pyreal wrote: »

OWPVP doesn't work when they are 15 lvls over you.

Call your friends.

CROW3

Pham wrote: »

Do a no-aggro leash return (no aggro while leashing, until mob returns to original position)

Agreed. This is the solution that WoW finally landed on long-term. Any attack from a player on a mob in a ‘leashed’ state results in an evade until the mob resets to its original out of combat state.

ColdSteel

I wanted everyone's thoughts on where griefing in the game is now that changes have been implemented.

There have been good changes to the system, but I have found that loot farmers in Highwaymen train mobs into lower-level groups to get them killed, then loot their bodies with zero repercussions. I watched more times than I can count where an LV20-25 would train mobs into groups of 2-8 players, levels 8 -14, and then loot all their bodies for hours. Once, my entire group, lv9-14, with two healers and two bards, fought back against an LV22 mage that kept whipping us by training mobs into our group and then looting all our bodies. He could quickly whip the entire group with but a few higher-level spells due to his high-level gear and level. He looted us again several times before the group disbanded with over 10% exp debt. This was not fun, and it ruined groups after we had 8-10% experience debt. Nobody could do anything about it because he was over x2+ our level.

Also, when people loot others' bodies by stealing, they need to stay purple for much longer. Once, my group cornered an LV19 mage in the basement at Highwaymen, and he logged off to save his life because we were levels 12-16, so we could not down him. Log escaping needs to be fixed.

Having zero repercussions for someone gaming the system like this to gold farm lower levels does nothing to promote the game's community.

I don’t mind the occasional mob training to kill players, but using that as a tool to farm people consistently is terrible.

Veeshan

i just root people trying to train mobs on me and let them get killed by the mobs, also let people know when this shit happening cause i would legit come and PK them when they loot a grave and they go purple :P

melifa

A simple process. Plumbing other people's graves must result in corruption. Each additional foreign grave increases the corruption

nanfoodle

Veeshan wrote: »

i just root people trying to train mobs on me and let them get killed by the mobs, also let people know when this shit happening cause i would legit come and PK them when they loot a grave and they go purple :P

Yup this works well.

Veeshan

tbh though the instant log out causes this to be more of an issue than it realy is since they can just log out ontop of your group and be fine or if u CC them they can log once thats fixed it should be much easier to handle however

melifa

can i get a lvl 25 with lvl 8 in cc? I don't think so

Veeshan

melifa wrote: »

can i get a lvl 25 with lvl 8 in cc? I don't think so

you actualy can theyll have like a 30% chance to resist it/avoid it but u definetly can hit them fairly regularly

Chastiefol

Agree
I have video about it
https://youtube.com/shorts/jkrxRT-q-7Y

Shoklen

I feel I agree that when you are flagged purple, it need to last longer then one minute. I'd suggest 15 minutes. Right now it can take several minutes for someone to get back to their ashes. In that amount of time, if someone was indeed flagged, the flag has long since dropped and you have zero idea who the bottom feeder was.

Gizban

A problem indeed.

h8br33d

Lately i have been noticing an issue of lvl 25 players griefing sub lvl 15 players at highway men, the obvious motive is the crafting materials dropped at this poi. the level 25's simply pull multiple pyro's or various other high lvl mob's with the goal of wiping groups and looting everyone's piles. The part that makes this very bad is, there is no chance at retaliation for the lower lvl players because of such high level gap. My futile attempt at flagging for pvp to stop them from looting my materials was met with 2 lvl 25's chasing down my lvl 14 bard .....which i obviously didn't have a prayer and had a fair amount of exp debt to show for my efforts.

Might i suggest if the level of the player is 10 levels or so above the person he is looting ,that maybe corruption be added perhaps, some type of system needs to be implemented to prevent this type of griefing . In general the act of pulling entire groups of mobs to cause groups to wipe has been becoming an issue..... I witnessed my entire group log off because of frustrations. and eventually nearly the entire POI become vacant.....

Overall my experience with the game has been fantastic , and the passion for delivering an amazing game from the Intrepid team has been nothing short of amazing and refreshing very proud to be a part of the journey!

irishned

100% Agree, this is a recurring issue and is a form of griefing, it definitely needs a risk factor added to it like corruption stacks.

Nemeses

DOA

Gizban

Same on Lyneth at HH. Mudkip did it to my y group.

Not isolated issue.

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