Also, did Steven actually say that class names won't be changed? I really hope that that's not the case as some of these class names could really be improved upon. Maybe some of these are temporary names that were given to classes because they weren't fully fledged out yet.
what a joke , some names are ok
bu it wont change .. its only being annoying
The class names are there to give people an idea of what the class will do in combat.
When people say scout, most players have somewhat of an idea of what the class will be. When people say vigilante, people have no idea what that class will be - as this thread can attest to.
Again, the point to the class names are not to "sound cool". This is not WoW trying to cater to pre-pubescent children.
There may well be some classes that us players are able to come up with a better name for - but there is absolutely no way we can come up for a better name for that class until we know what the class actually is.
Also, did Steven actually say that class names won't be changed? I really hope that that's not the case as some of these class names could really be improved upon. Maybe some of these are temporary names that were given to classes because they weren't fully fledged out yet.
what a joke , some names are ok
bu it wont change .. its only being annoying
Guess how many people care about you being annoyed.... a whopping 0. Unless you're going to tell me why you dislike the other names, don't type.
Batman lives in a sci fi world. We're talking about a fantasy medieval world here. Stop comparing it to Batman.
Good job ignoring everything else I said my man.
Not even trying to argue a vigilante is a tank here, just don't really understand why you think it fits better than scout.
I think it SOUNDS COOLER than a scout. Meaning-wise, they're kinda the same to me. Both seem to fit the class fine to me. Again important, TO ME. I understand that you disagree, and that's ok.
So is the point of this post just to tell people what you think is cool, or to try to gather community feedback in order to affect change as a group?
Batman lives in a sci fi world. We're talking about a fantasy medieval world here. Stop comparing it to Batman.
Good job ignoring everything else I said my man.
Not even trying to argue a vigilante is a tank here, just don't really understand why you think it fits better than scout.
I think it SOUNDS COOLER than a scout. Meaning-wise, they're kinda the same to me. Both seem to fit the class fine to me. Again important, TO ME. I understand that you disagree, and that's ok.
So is the point of this post just to tell people what you think is cool, or to try to gather community feedback in order to affect change as a group?
The class names are there to give people an idea of what the class will do in combat.
When people say scout, most players have somewhat of an idea of what the class will be. When people say vigilante, people have no idea what that class will be - as this thread can attest to.
Again, the point to the class names are not to "sound cool". This is not WoW trying to cater to pre-pubescent children.
There may well be some classes that us players are able to come up with a better name for - but there is absolutely no way we can come up for a better name for that class until we know what the class actually is.
I said I PREFER it. If I were to make a list again, I'll leave it as scout, seeing that most of you dislike the change.
Scout is the coolest Archetype for a Rogue in D&D, this is the class the DM can't kill. A sniper with mechanics to escape any danger, dodge, and has the best mobility in the book. Can track down, detect traps, set traps, open locks, etc.
Scout is the coolest Archetype for a Rogue in D&D, this is the class the DM can't kill. A sniper with mechanics to escape any danger, dodge, and has the best mobility in the book. Can track down, detect traps, set traps, open locks, etc.
This is why you make posts like this. You ask the community's opinion on the name changes that YOU made. You ask their thoughts on YOUR opinions and you see whether they align or not. Since most of you don't want scout to be changed, i won't change it if i were to make a list next time.
Even if i have a personal opinion on it, the opinion of others takes precedence. Personally, do I still prefer vigilante over scout? Yes, and I'm allowed to have my own opinion. Will I let it affect a list that is supposed to be a community-preference oriented one? No, absolutely not.
This is why you make posts like this. You ask the community's opinion on the name changes. Since most of you don't want scout to be changed, i won't change it if i were to make a list next time. Even if i have a personal opinion on it, the opinion of others takes precedence.
You're not getting it.
None of us know what any of the classes are going to play like, and what they play like is the only factor that matters in determining what an appropriate name for them would be.
This is a discussion that may have some merrit about half way through beta, but right now is literally just "I don't like this word, change it for another one!"
Even if you take on opinions from other people, their opinions are still the same as that - as no one other than Intrepid have any information to make a comment that is any more informed than that.
An example of this would be the Spellshield. You renamed it to Hex Keeper - yet you and I have no idea at all if the class will even use hexes, nor even if the game will have hexes. How can you say you prefer this name for this class when you have literally no idea as to whether it is suitable or not?
This is why you make posts like this. You ask the community's opinion on the name changes. Since most of you don't want scout to be changed, i won't change it if i were to make a list next time. Even if i have a personal opinion on it, the opinion of others takes precedence.
You're not getting it.
None of us know what any of the classes are going to play like, and what they play like is the only factor that matters in determining what an appropriate name for them would be.
This is a discussion that may have some merrit about half way through beta, but right now is literally just "I don't like this word, change it for another one!"
Even if you take on opinions from other people, their opinions are still the same as that - as no one other than Intrepid have any information to make a comment that is any more informed than that.
I admit, Illusionist, Naturalist, and Vigilante are name changes that depend on the class' playstyle and I shouldnt have made those changes.
But almost all the others maintain the same meaning of the original name. Its just synonyms, using it avoids repetition even though you are conveying the same thing.
Don't let him take the intellectual high ground CaptianChuck. Presenting your image of names for classes you think are more appropriate despite not having any inside knowledge to how the classes work is totally reasonable.
It may be reasonable, but its a waste of time. Steven has said the class names won't change. Also Noanni is correct.
This is why you make posts like this. You ask the community's opinion on the name changes. Since most of you don't want scout to be changed, i won't change it if i were to make a list next time. Even if i have a personal opinion on it, the opinion of others takes precedence.
You're not getting it.
None of us know what any of the classes are going to play like, and what they play like is the only factor that matters in determining what an appropriate name for them would be.
This is a discussion that may have some merrit about half way through beta, but right now is literally just "I don't like this word, change it for another one!"
Even if you take on opinions from other people, their opinions are still the same as that - as no one other than Intrepid have any information to make a comment that is any more informed than that.
An example of this would be the Spellshield. You renamed it to Hex Keeper - yet you and I have no idea at all if the class will even use hexes, nor even if the game will have hexes. How can you say you prefer this name for this class when you have literally no idea as to whether it is suitable or not?
Don't let him take the intellectual high ground CaptianChuck. Presenting your image of names for classes you think are more appropriate despite not having any inside knowledge to how the classes work is totally reasonable.
You've literally been typing senseless crap in this whole thread. If you can only use emojis and can't type your opinions on the changes, then don't type.
If you look at any of the names that I used, most of them are just SYNONYMS. Synonyms are words with the SAME meaning, EXCEPT, they remove repetition.
Did i make a few name changes that I shouldn't have because I have no idea how that class might play out? Yes, I did. I mentioned them above. That was my mistake. That's why I made this post, to see people what think and why they think so. Then you take the feedback, and you improve on it.
This is why you make posts like this. You ask the community's opinion on the name changes. Since most of you don't want scout to be changed, i won't change it if i were to make a list next time. Even if i have a personal opinion on it, the opinion of others takes precedence.
You're not getting it.
None of us know what any of the classes are going to play like, and what they play like is the only factor that matters in determining what an appropriate name for them would be.
This is a discussion that may have some merrit about half way through beta, but right now is literally just "I don't like this word, change it for another one!"
Even if you take on opinions from other people, their opinions are still the same as that - as no one other than Intrepid have any information to make a comment that is any more informed than that.
An example of this would be the Spellshield. You renamed it to Hex Keeper - yet you and I have no idea at all if the class will even use hexes, nor even if the game will have hexes. How can you say you prefer this name for this class when you have literally no idea as to whether it is suitable or not?
Don't let him take the intellectual high ground CaptianChuck. Presenting your image of names for classes you think are more appropriate despite not having any inside knowledge to how the classes work is totally reasonable.
You've literally been typing senseless crap in this whole thread. If you can only use emojis and can't type your opinions on the changes, then don't type.
If you look at any of the names that I used, most of them are just SYNONYMS. Synonyms are words with the SAME meaning, EXCEPT, they remove repetition.
Did i make a few name changes that I shouldn't have because I have no idea how that class might play out? Yes, I did. I mentioned them above. That was my mistake. That's why I made this post, to see people what think and why they think so. Then you take the feedback, and you improve on it.
I'm on your side! I think a rogue+tank being called void lord is incredible and i'm surprised none of the devs thought of it.
ORGANIZE your opinions and type it out. I made the change simply because I was tired of seeing the word shadow repeated over and over again.
Shadow Lord is a thing. Void is a synonym to Shadow. So yes, the devs did think about it. Stop typing, you're making yourself look stupid.
Nice dodge on my post. Wow, seems like i'm the only one who thought of Void Lord huh? The devs DEFINITELY didn't think about it and you DEFINITELY read all the class names. Why don't you quote the whole thing? Delete your post. That's what people like you are good at after all.
I posted my thoughts on the class names and what I think they should be. People responded with their opinions on it. Look at the post, i specifically said, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?
A person discussing his opinions with multiple people, to see what they think of it, is not stupid. The person posting emoji filled comments, without any feedback on the topic, is the one who is stupid.
But almost all the others maintain the same meaning of the original name. Its just synonyms, using it avoids repetition even though you are conveying the same thing.
What is wrong with repitition?
How do you know that "Shadow" as an example is not a key specific term in the worlds lore?
My dude, you are really coming at this from an angle wholly derived from your own personal definitions of some of these words.
And the way you respond to people who have different definitions, even if they are more technically correct, is not very conducive to constructive conversation about it.
Are you serious? How is a vigilante a tank? I literally have no concrete personal opinion on any of these changes. If someone comes up with a name that sounds better than what I came up with, I tell them straight up (Read above). But there are standard definitions to every term. I followed those standard definitions when it came to the names i chose above. A vigilante CAN be a mercenary. Most vigilantes go rogue after taking justice into their own hands. They turn into mercenaries. They are however, NOT TANKS in any way, shape or form. I personally think its a better term than scout. Its just personal opinion, if you don't like it then come up with a better name than both scout and vigilante.
Well, I think Scout is perfectly fitting for a ranger/rogue, as a woodsman/bow type character with some focus on travelling without being seen.
Why exactly do you find that name lacking?
Also,
"I followed those standard defintions... most vigilantes go rogue... turn into mercenaries."
You literally contradict yourself from one sentence to the next by applying your own opinion/understanding/view about a word to the "standard definition" of the word.
Batman is the purest expression of a vigilante and he doesn't do that at all. So...
Batman lives in a sci fi world. We're talking about a fantasy medieval world here. Stop comparing it to Batman.
Where you went with Shadow Priest (Cleric/Rogue), I would suggest Witch.
For Apostle (Cleric/Ranger) I would've gone with Exorcist.
For the Fighter/Bard, I would either go with Tactician or Champion/Gladiator
And lastly, for the Mage/Guardian combo I would go with Abjurer.
Really liked your 'virtuoso' suggestion in particular. Very thematic, and overall, I think your suggestions are on point, CaptainChuck.
Where you went with Shadow Priest (Cleric/Rogue), I would suggest Witch.
For Apostle (Cleric/Ranger) I would've gone with Exorcist.
For the Fighter/Bard, I would either go with Tactician or Champion/Gladiator
And lastly, for the Mage/Guardian combo I would go with Abjurer.
Really liked your 'virtuoso' suggestion in particular. Very thematic, and overall, I think your suggestions are on point, CaptainChuck.
Thankyou for the feedback, I appreciate it.
As for witch, its a female name. Class names should be gender neutral so I disagree with this name.
For exorcist, its a great name and it fits the theme of the class very well, but its another of those names that depend on the class' playstyle.
I think you're referring to bard/fighter as fighter/bard is Bladedancer and I think its a perfect name for that class and doesn't require any change. Not sure how a bard/fighter would be a tactician or a champion/gladiator. Yes the name Bladesinger is somewhat repetitive, but it is an actual class in d&d, which I know Steven is a big fan of. Also it fits the theme of a bard/fighter very well.
As for abjurer, great name. Fits very well with either mage/guardian or guardian/mage. I see you got this from d&d as well, insert lenny face.
The Archetype name Tank is one that bothers me a little.
-I'm a Cleric, my role is support! What are you?
-I'm a Tank, my role is... Tank...
Idk just seems odd, maybe there is a reason for it.
Everything else sounds really cool.
The Archetype name Tank is one that bothers me a little.
-I'm a Cleric, my role is support! What are you?
-I'm a Tank, my role is... Tank...
Idk just seems odd, maybe there is a reason for it.
Everything else sounds really cool.
Wait until the raid wants tank/tank then your class is tank tank...no wait that makes you a guardian...meaning post level 25 there will be no class "tank" just classes that have one of their choices as tank. There are 64 classes and none of them are mage or tank or cleric those are the building blocks you choose to make one of the 64 classes
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what a joke , some names are ok
bu it wont change .. its only being annoying
The class names are there to give people an idea of what the class will do in combat.
When people say scout, most players have somewhat of an idea of what the class will be. When people say vigilante, people have no idea what that class will be - as this thread can attest to.
Again, the point to the class names are not to "sound cool". This is not WoW trying to cater to pre-pubescent children.
There may well be some classes that us players are able to come up with a better name for - but there is absolutely no way we can come up for a better name for that class until we know what the class actually is.
Guess how many people care about you being annoyed.... a whopping 0. Unless you're going to tell me why you dislike the other names, don't type.
I said I PREFER it. If I were to make a list again, I'll leave it as scout, seeing that most of you dislike the change.
That class may well be built around the idea of being able to look ahead of a main force in game to spot potential enemies and report back.
If so, Scout is literally the only suitable name for it.
This is why you make posts like this. You ask the community's opinion on the name changes that YOU made. You ask their thoughts on YOUR opinions and you see whether they align or not. Since most of you don't want scout to be changed, i won't change it if i were to make a list next time.
Even if i have a personal opinion on it, the opinion of others takes precedence. Personally, do I still prefer vigilante over scout? Yes, and I'm allowed to have my own opinion. Will I let it affect a list that is supposed to be a community-preference oriented one? No, absolutely not.
None of us know what any of the classes are going to play like, and what they play like is the only factor that matters in determining what an appropriate name for them would be.
This is a discussion that may have some merrit about half way through beta, but right now is literally just "I don't like this word, change it for another one!"
Even if you take on opinions from other people, their opinions are still the same as that - as no one other than Intrepid have any information to make a comment that is any more informed than that.
An example of this would be the Spellshield. You renamed it to Hex Keeper - yet you and I have no idea at all if the class will even use hexes, nor even if the game will have hexes. How can you say you prefer this name for this class when you have literally no idea as to whether it is suitable or not?
I admit, Illusionist, Naturalist, and Vigilante are name changes that depend on the class' playstyle and I shouldnt have made those changes.
But almost all the others maintain the same meaning of the original name. Its just synonyms, using it avoids repetition even though you are conveying the same thing.
It may be reasonable, but its a waste of time. Steven has said the class names won't change. Also Noanni is correct.
You've literally been typing senseless crap in this whole thread. If you can only use emojis and can't type your opinions on the changes, then don't type.
If you look at any of the names that I used, most of them are just SYNONYMS. Synonyms are words with the SAME meaning, EXCEPT, they remove repetition.
Did i make a few name changes that I shouldn't have because I have no idea how that class might play out? Yes, I did. I mentioned them above. That was my mistake. That's why I made this post, to see people what think and why they think so. Then you take the feedback, and you improve on it.
ORGANIZE your opinions and type it out. I made the change simply because I was tired of seeing the word shadow repeated over and over again.
Shadow Lord is a thing. Void is a synonym to Shadow. So yes, the devs did think about it. Stop typing, you're making yourself look stupid.
Nice dodge on my post. Wow, seems like i'm the only one who thought of Void Lord huh? The devs DEFINITELY didn't think about it and you DEFINITELY read all the class names. Why don't you quote the whole thing? Delete your post. That's what people like you are good at after all.
I posted my thoughts on the class names and what I think they should be. People responded with their opinions on it. Look at the post, i specifically said, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?
A person discussing his opinions with multiple people, to see what they think of it, is not stupid. The person posting emoji filled comments, without any feedback on the topic, is the one who is stupid.
How do you know that "Shadow" as an example is not a key specific term in the worlds lore?
Robin
You say it about 10 times a day, at least.
Where you went with Shadow Priest (Cleric/Rogue), I would suggest Witch.
For Apostle (Cleric/Ranger) I would've gone with Exorcist.
For the Fighter/Bard, I would either go with Tactician or Champion/Gladiator
And lastly, for the Mage/Guardian combo I would go with Abjurer.
Really liked your 'virtuoso' suggestion in particular. Very thematic, and overall, I think your suggestions are on point, CaptainChuck.
Thankyou for the feedback, I appreciate it.
As for witch, its a female name. Class names should be gender neutral so I disagree with this name.
For exorcist, its a great name and it fits the theme of the class very well, but its another of those names that depend on the class' playstyle.
I think you're referring to bard/fighter as fighter/bard is Bladedancer and I think its a perfect name for that class and doesn't require any change. Not sure how a bard/fighter would be a tactician or a champion/gladiator. Yes the name Bladesinger is somewhat repetitive, but it is an actual class in d&d, which I know Steven is a big fan of. Also it fits the theme of a bard/fighter very well.
As for abjurer, great name. Fits very well with either mage/guardian or guardian/mage. I see you got this from d&d as well, insert lenny face.
-I'm a Cleric, my role is support! What are you?
-I'm a Tank, my role is... Tank...
Idk just seems odd, maybe there is a reason for it.
Everything else sounds really cool.
Wait until the raid wants tank/tank then your class is tank tank...no wait that makes you a guardian...meaning post level 25 there will be no class "tank" just classes that have one of their choices as tank. There are 64 classes and none of them are mage or tank or cleric those are the building blocks you choose to make one of the 64 classes