maybe not a dps meter but what about this...

What do you guys think about this idea that I just got...? There is a lot of people who do not want dps meters and there is a lot of people who want to improve skill rotation, right? What if we had a trainig zone were there are those Training Dummy which tells you how´s doing dps doing compare to other players? if ya want to see how you are actually doing so you must go to the training zone and check it out, these Trainig Dummy could copilate all the info from others players and let you know if your dps is low/medium or high (just lets us knows if very low,low, high,medium.etc)

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Marcet

IF combat trackers are going to be used anyways, I prefer it to be an addon and a tool completely external to the game, but that's my opinion.

Nettume-Networks

I got a sudden Idea, could they possibly just use something like the League of Legends death report as a ongoing status effect bar that shows the damage being done to the boss from certain abilities or the heals to a person showing where the heals come from . It would next to their health bar in a dropdown menu so it would not bothering everyone and only the raid leader would probably have it always open (open to everyone but not everyone needs to see it) it would be mainly for the raiders (since they need it the most) and it would mostly absent and useless in casual play.

Noaani

Marcet wrote: »

IF combat trackers are going to be used anyways, I prefer it to be an addon and a tool completely external to the game, but that's my opinion.

Is there a specific reason for this?

I am of the opinion that every tool or utility that players would be expected to use should be built in to the game itself (which is a part of why I find recent suggestions that I may be affiliated with/profiting from ACT to be amusing).

Tragnar

I know that a big portion of the no tracker community is only after big impressive monsters that have awesome animations that can really intimidate any player. These people are completely fine with the boss being moving target dummy that from time to time does an aoe that you need to avoid.

These bosses are completely fine and good fun when you are either laughing with your friends on discord or watching netflix, because these bosses are literally killable by 100% of the playerbase - you just need to show up with max level character

Encounter design is critical skill that devs need to have in order to truly create raids that only less than 10% of the playerbase is capable of killing. If this was mispoken and that this is just the expected playerbase kill participation, because of entry requirements that often time will only come from the game PvP system then all is good - but as far as I know this isnt the case with the available information

And btw for bosses to have a gimmick that requires the raid to have specific archetype-archetype combo is just lazy design. It has never been a good gameplay to bring a certain player only because his class choice allows the boss to be killable

halbarz

Tragnar wrote: »

I know that a big portion of the no tracker community is only after big impressive monsters that have awesome animations that can really intimidate any player. These people are completely fine with the boss being moving target dummy that from time to time does an aoe that you need to avoid.

I tend to disagree with this statement, it's the same as saying that a big portion of the "Pro Tracker" Community is too stupid to figure things out themselves. (which is also not true)

No matter how hard the content is, it is designed for you the player to defeat a boss with a group of X size. This implies that you do not require an addon or tracker, what you do need is a team, communication, and trust in the people you are playing with.

Not having a tracker doesn't mean that content will be easier, that it will be less interesting or fun. It will or at least it can make it so that it will take longer for YOU as the player to beat certain content. This making content more relevant.

MMO's require players and these players have to be kept engaged. Creating new content is not easy, especially at the current speed we absorb it on some games. One way of keeping content relevant is by making it hard, giving players tools to make it easier because like it or not Trackers do make it easier (indirectly through being able to optimize your char. faster) can lead to content being absorbed a lot faster which would mean that X% of players will give up their subscription faster.

There are always people that will stop playing out of frustration but as proven several times. The majority of people will continue until they defeat X. It's a drug for many players.

If I can ask, in its current state there are not trackers/meters and let's assume that there is no 3rd party tool either. Would you play this game? Maybe this is a make-or-break-it thing for you. (just curious)

Tragnar

I will play ashes even if no tracker exists, the only only dealbreaker is the form of the endgame. If all PvE encounters are just zergs then I would consider that a dealbreaker, because a game only with pvp and target dummies is not for me

no tracker doesnt effect me that much, because I just create sims for characters that i main in mmos

so as long as we can learn the game mechanics and skill values/scaling then i'm all set

halbarz

Tragnar wrote: »

I will play ashes even if no tracker exists, the only only dealbreaker is the form of the endgame. If all PvE encounters are just zergs then I would consider that a dealbreaker, because a game only with pvp and target dummies is not for me

I get ya, not sure if you played Gw2. But the World bosses are fun but are just a zerg fest at best.
The world should be "dangerous" in the sense that bosses should be designed that without PVP you can wipe. The PvP element should be considered an extra, or at least be only a fraction of the scaling process.

khitomer

Marcet wrote: »

Noaani can literally talk alone for 40 pages and no one would notice.

Lmao.. this makes sense.

Prolific flamers - every game forum has them.

Tragnar

halbarz wrote: »

Tragnar wrote: »

I will play ashes even if no tracker exists, the only only dealbreaker is the form of the endgame. If all PvE encounters are just zergs then I would consider that a dealbreaker, because a game only with pvp and target dummies is not for me

I get ya, not sure if you played Gw2. But the World bosses are fun but are just a zerg fest at best.
The world should be "dangerous" in the sense that bosses should be designed that without PVP you can wipe. The PvP element should be considered an extra, or at least be only a fraction of the scaling process.

I heard that and exactly this reason is why I never even thought of trying the game out

There are just not that many game options where you can play with a lot of people with the shared goal of beating really hard challenges as 1 team

I personally was really tempted to play FFXIV, but that weeb style just is somewhat repulsive for me

I'm just glad that I can chill in classic wow - and in tbc before all these new mmos come out

Dygz

Marcet wrote: »

IF combat trackers are going to be used anyways, I prefer it to be an addon and a tool completely external to the game, but that's my opinion.

We'll have to see how good the devs are at detecting cheats.

halbarz

Tragnar wrote: »

halbarz wrote: »

Tragnar wrote: »

I will play ashes even if no tracker exists, the only only dealbreaker is the form of the endgame. If all PvE encounters are just zergs then I would consider that a dealbreaker, because a game only with pvp and target dummies is not for me

I get ya, not sure if you played Gw2. But the World bosses are fun but are just a zerg fest at best.
The world should be "dangerous" in the sense that bosses should be designed that without PVP you can wipe. The PvP element should be considered an extra, or at least be only a fraction of the scaling process.

I heard that and exactly this reason is why I never even thought of trying the game out

There are just not that many game options where you can play with a lot of people with the shared goal of beating really hard challenges as 1 team

I personally was really tempted to play FFXIV, but that weeb style just is somewhat repulsive for me

I'm just glad that I can chill in classic wow - and in tbc before all these new mmos come out

Let's be honest WoW will not go anywhere for a long time

And I hope you play Ashes, and can enjoy it.
FF14 isn't a bad game but I do not like the style, ESO I find the combat boring, maybe we all became to picky

Hopefully you will have a great time in TBC, not sure if New World or Elyon is your style of game but these are two other MMO's coming out in the next few months that may could spark your interest

Tragnar

halbarz wrote: »

Tragnar wrote: »

halbarz wrote: »

Tragnar wrote: »

I will play ashes even if no tracker exists, the only only dealbreaker is the form of the endgame. If all PvE encounters are just zergs then I would consider that a dealbreaker, because a game only with pvp and target dummies is not for me

I get ya, not sure if you played Gw2. But the World bosses are fun but are just a zerg fest at best.
The world should be "dangerous" in the sense that bosses should be designed that without PVP you can wipe. The PvP element should be considered an extra, or at least be only a fraction of the scaling process.

I heard that and exactly this reason is why I never even thought of trying the game out

There are just not that many game options where you can play with a lot of people with the shared goal of beating really hard challenges as 1 team

I personally was really tempted to play FFXIV, but that weeb style just is somewhat repulsive for me

I'm just glad that I can chill in classic wow - and in tbc before all these new mmos come out

Let's be honest WoW will not go anywhere for a long time And I hope you play Ashes, and can enjoy it.
FF14 isn't a bad game but I do not like the style, ESO I find the combat boring, maybe we all became to picky

Hopefully you will have a great time in TBC, not sure if New World or Elyon is your style of game but these are two other MMO's coming out in the next few months that may could spark your interest

My current plan is to focus on tbc that comes out not even in a month and to finally fulfill my childhood dream of killing Kil'Jaeden in the last raid and that should at least take the whole year. So after that time I am kinda sure that I'll be keeping a close eye on Ashes and the riot mmo.

I tried ESO and quite enjoyed it, but idk it just didn't hook me into it with anything - like don't get me wrong it is a good game, but for me it is easily forgettable game

khitomer

ESO had a nice look to it and some of the graphics were amazing (like the realistic look of ice shards in a frost caster's spell).

What turned me off was the free form combat when I was used to wow and macros, etc.

The ability to switch in and out of the two types of combat in AOC is the best decision they could have made.

FF14 and BDO likewise didnt appeal because of the weeb design.

In between waiting for testing windows, Im going to have fun ganking old guildies in TBC and probably have a decent crack at a D2R season when it finally comes out.

Noaani

Dygz wrote: »

Marcet wrote: »

IF combat trackers are going to be used anyways, I prefer it to be an addon and a tool completely external to the game, but that's my opinion.

We'll have to see how good the devs are at detecting cheats.

You say this kind of thing often. I'd really like to hear how you think the developers are able to detect an application that is not running on any computer they have access to.

Tragnar

Noaani wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Marcet wrote: »

IF combat trackers are going to be used anyways, I prefer it to be an addon and a tool completely external to the game, but that's my opinion.

We'll have to see how good the devs are at detecting cheats.

You say this kind of thing often. I'd really like to hear how you think the developers are able to detect an application that is not running on any computer they have access to.

They can hire an army of private detectives with hacking skills that will make regular checks on a certain top percentage of players and make sure they dont have tracker setup on different pc

Noaani

Tragnar wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Marcet wrote: »

IF combat trackers are going to be used anyways, I prefer it to be an addon and a tool completely external to the game, but that's my opinion.

We'll have to see how good the devs are at detecting cheats.

You say this kind of thing often. I'd really like to hear how you think the developers are able to detect an application that is not running on any computer they have access to.

They can hire an army of private detectives with hacking skills that will make regular checks on a certain top percentage of players and make sure they dont have tracker setup on different pc

Are they making house calls now?

Tragnar

just trying to imagine the possible lengths of what you can do if you want to truly get rid of trackers

Noaani

Tragnar wrote: »

just trying to imagine the possible lengths of what you can do if you want to truly get rid of trackers

Indeed.

It just isn't feasible.

Tragnar

I legit didn't even think of the angle that banning multiboxers is too hard

I mean how hard it is to create a software that checks player input from the same ip for being replicated by multiboxing software

plus you can even create a software that flags accounts for possible multiboxing and run the input recognition on those just in case that the multiboxer uses different vpn for every account he uses

I mean if they consider this being too hard then how on earth are they going to stop 3rd party data export?

Not to say that I am legit extremely concerned about the anticheat

Noaani

Tragnar wrote: »

I mean how hard it is to create a software that checks player input from the same ip

Nah, house calls for them too!

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