PvE Players tell me why you follow Ashes of Creation

Doesn't matter if the first time you saw Ashes was in kickstarter, or just learned of the project 2 weeks ago.

As a PvE first player, what makes you look forward to PvE in AoC or what was the defining feature that you're looking forward to?

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Dygz

NiKr wrote: »

I agree that Intrepid should show good pve or get one of the devs to talk about their current stage of development of pve in-depth. Or if they can't do that, they should get an AI dev to talk about the difficulties of designing a good pve AI.

Your analogy doesn't really work, because it still shows that you completely don't care about non-super-hardcore pve. We've seen bosses, we've seen mobs. But you don't consider them pve, because they're too easy, even though they are the most direct representation of what most people consider pve to be.

Steven will tell you that there are plenty of PvE-centric MMORPGs to play.
For Steven, the fun part of dungeons and raids is the Risk v Reward of those being contested by PvP in the open world.
So... Steven expects us to take it for granted that there will be dungeons and raids with interesting PvE combat. What he wants to focus on is the fun PvP that will occur simultaneously.

Ludullu

Dygz wrote: »

What he wants to focus on is the fun PvP that will occur simultaneously.

Then he should just come out and say that pve is the backdrop for all the pvp. Cause he promised hardcore pve with all that "only <10% if players can clear this shit" and "bosses will get more difficult the better you do" stuff. We've seen no indication of those things being in the game or even development so far.

Dygz

He should say a lot of things... we agree.
But.. he's focused on pitching for his own playstyle.

Depraved

Noaani wrote: »

Isth3reno1else wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Isth3reno1else wrote: »

BlackBrony wrote: »

Liniker wrote: »

BlackBrony wrote: »

But Ashes doesn't really have PvE.

Dungeons & Raids both open world and instanced, POIs, Narrative events, world events with stuff like invasions etc, regional and world bosses, treasure hunting, Housing, 23 different professions across gathering crafting and processing,

Saying AoC has no PVE should be a bannable offense lol

Bro, that's not PvE. That's filler content. It's like saying that Arenas 1v1 is PvP, and that's all you have.
That's the problem. You people think PvE is that, but it's not. It won't satisfy PvE players.
PvErs want to run dungeons and raids, not pick flowers.

Seems like it's not your type of PVE, but it's inherently pve.

To be clear, we are talking about PvE for specific PvE players. We don't bother going in to the details of it in every post for breveities sake. By PvE in the context of these discussions, we are talking abotu PvE content where the challenge comes from the PvE itself, not the PvP associated with it, and idealy where that challenge is high.

Idk if any of us are in a situation to say that PVE content in Ashes won't be challenging though either.

If PvP exists in conjunction with the PvE aspect, and the encounter is designed to be able to be killed with that in place, then most of the challenge can't be coming from the PvE aspect.

At this point, it comes down to Intrepids intentions rather than specific encounter design. This is why them detailing (or even outlining) their intentions in relation to this content is enough.

not necessarily. you can pvp for the right to enter an instance to kill a boss, and that boss can be as difficult as IS wants to since there wont be any pvp inside the boss room, just a pve challenge.

another thing to point out. since there isnt instant traveling (maybe aside from family summoning) once you are in a boss area and you beat the other guild trying to kill the boss, its possible that you will have no interference trying to kill the boss, since it would take too long for any enemies to get there, and therefore, you can increase the difficulty of the boss. plus, you can leave a pvp group(s) outside fighting any players that try to come in.

Vaknar

I know there are some very passionate players on both the PvE and PvP sides of the PvX spectrum. Let's remember to keep our debates civil and not personal!

As many of you all know, Ashes of Creation is PvX. Steven's vision of the game in this regard has remained the same since its inception! We believe there will be aspects of the game that both sides of the PvX spectrum will enjoy

Personally, I've enjoyed quite a lot of both PvP and PvE in MMORPGs, but haven't played many true PvX ones. This is why I'm excited for Ashes of Creation! Though, I could understand why some people may want to try it out first, if they're all for PvE or PvP!

Abarat

NiKr wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

What he wants to focus on is the fun PvP that will occur simultaneously.

Then he should just come out and say that pve is the backdrop for all the pvp. Cause he promised hardcore pve with all that "only <10% if players can clear this shit" and "bosses will get more difficult the better you do" stuff. We've seen no indication of those things being in the game or even development so far.

We have not seen the Rogue archetype either, but you believe it will exist, right?

Since they admit they have not perfected basic core features, I am sure end game PVE is not their current focus.

Abarat

Noaani wrote: »

I am saying there isn't any top end PvE content, and that my guild is not considering this as a game to play because of that. But I am also saying "but that's ok, we are not the target market - the game is not for everyone".

Then you have the anti-Noaani mob coming in having to disagree with what I am saying just because I am saying it, which basically results in them having to say "well may be the game IS for PvE players, you don't know." and then making up bullshit like I said the game was a scam.

It really is amusing, and they really are pathetic.

LOL. My friend, I dont need to go any further than this post to help explain the 'anti-Noaani mob'.

You make the argument that you and your guild will not play this game because... i will quote here, "I am saying there isn't any top end PvE content, and that my guild is not considering this as a game to play because of that. But I am also saying "but that's ok, we are not the target market - the game is not for everyone". (yes, I double quoted)

Now, I will post it the way i hear it: "There isn't any top end PvE content in this game which is not even in Alpha 2 yet, the core systems, which are required to make the world even fu*king work are not done yet and the incompetent developers at Intrepid have not taken the time to explain to my Very Fu*king Important guild exactly what the encounters will look like in the their so called top end PVP content. We should know the names of the raid bosses, all the mechanics along with expected parser outputs, and have the spots marked on the map for us already. I mean, seriously, does Steven know who we are? Come on, mannnn"

Depraved

albarat, mag7spy, lets start the anti noaani forum squad. we will also protect people from pve griefers and carebears

Azherae

Depraved wrote: »

albarat, mag7spy, lets start the anti noaani forum squad. we will also protect people from pve griefers and carebears

But first you'd have to practice not misquoting each other...

Abarat

Azherae wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

albarat, mag7spy, lets start the anti noaani forum squad. we will also protect people from pve griefers and carebears

But first you'd have to practice not misquoting each other...

seriously, this is an issue. i apologize for my rash of this. i have figured it out. I am somewhat indecisive and (believe it or not) start a lot of posts which I end up not sending.

The started but not sent quotes never disappear, so when i go to quote the next person, i start at the top, clear the junk and end up misquoting.

wont happen again (I hope).

If Dygz can figure out a way to play the game after launch, we can figure out a way for you to not notice when we misquote each other.

Noaani

NiKr wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

What he wants to focus on is the fun PvP that will occur simultaneously.

Then he should just come out and say that pve is the backdrop for all the pvp. Cause he promised hardcore pve with all that "only <10% if players can clear this shit" and "bosses will get more difficult the better you do" stuff. We've seen no indication of those things being in the game or even development so far.

Indeed he should.

It isnt hard to discuss the notion of PvE content that exists for the sake of PvE rather than PvP.

I get that it isnt content that excites Steven, and as such he may not want to talk about it (his lack of excitement will come through).

If this is the case, just get someone else on to talk about it, or do a write up. I mean, they did a write up to put fires after freehold details, so doing one to put out these fires has a precedent.

A simple yes/no to wanting PvE in the game for the sake of PvE would go a long way - but an outline of how they plan on achieving it if the answer is "yes" would go even further.

Realistically, at this point, nothing past that point would even be appreciated by most of the players I know that want answers in this regard. We dont want details, just intentions.

Abarat

Depraved wrote: »

albarat, mag7spy, lets start the anti noaani forum squad. we will also protect people from pve griefers and carebears

We could get hats or something... no, TATTOOS!

Azherae

Abarat wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

albarat, mag7spy, lets start the anti noaani forum squad. we will also protect people from pve griefers and carebears

But first you'd have to practice not misquoting each other...

seriously, this is an issue. i apologize for my rash of this. i have figured it out. I am somewhat indecisive and (believe it or not) start a lot of posts which I end up not sending.

The started but not sent quotes never disappear, so when i go to quote the next person, i start at the top, clear the junk and end up misquoting.

wont happen again (I hope).

Yeah I know the feeling. The 'Clear Draft' option is not particularly accessible by comparison, since you have to go out of your way to go do it at a spot where you aren't thinking about that, at least that's how it works for me.

Anyways good luck protecting people from all the carebears.

Noaani

Depraved wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Isth3reno1else wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Isth3reno1else wrote: »

BlackBrony wrote: »

Liniker wrote: »

BlackBrony wrote: »

But Ashes doesn't really have PvE.

Dungeons & Raids both open world and instanced, POIs, Narrative events, world events with stuff like invasions etc, regional and world bosses, treasure hunting, Housing, 23 different professions across gathering crafting and processing,

Saying AoC has no PVE should be a bannable offense lol

Bro, that's not PvE. That's filler content. It's like saying that Arenas 1v1 is PvP, and that's all you have.
That's the problem. You people think PvE is that, but it's not. It won't satisfy PvE players.
PvErs want to run dungeons and raids, not pick flowers.

Seems like it's not your type of PVE, but it's inherently pve.

To be clear, we are talking about PvE for specific PvE players. We don't bother going in to the details of it in every post for breveities sake. By PvE in the context of these discussions, we are talking abotu PvE content where the challenge comes from the PvE itself, not the PvP associated with it, and idealy where that challenge is high.

Idk if any of us are in a situation to say that PVE content in Ashes won't be challenging though either.

If PvP exists in conjunction with the PvE aspect, and the encounter is designed to be able to be killed with that in place, then most of the challenge can't be coming from the PvE aspect.

At this point, it comes down to Intrepids intentions rather than specific encounter design. This is why them detailing (or even outlining) their intentions in relation to this content is enough.

not necessarily. you can pvp for the right to enter an instance to kill a boss, and that boss can be as difficult as IS wants to since there wont be any pvp inside the boss room, just a pve challenge.

While you may argue that I wasnt clear enough, this kind of thing is exactly what I have been fighting for since 2018.

Ashes needs its PvP, and top end encounters (and thus rewards) still need to go through that PvP filter, or sphere.

I dont want any top end PvE in Ashes where there hasnt been some sort of fight involved in getting equipment rewards on to player characters.

To me, the notion of fighting to gain entry to an encounter and then having PvE free of PvP is not having that PvE and PvP in conjunction, it is having one then the other.

Noaani

Depraved wrote: »

albarat, mag7spy, lets start the anti noaani forum squad. we will also protect people from pve griefers and carebears

Mag cant join without Liniker.

You cant have a puppy without his master.

Abarat

Azherae wrote: »

Anyways good luck protecting people from all the carebears.

Thanks. They can be much more destructive that you are giving them credit for... we will have an entry in the guild recruitment part of the forum soon.

Noaani

Abarat wrote: »

You make the argument that you and your guild will not play this game because... i will quote here, "I am saying there isn't any top end PvE content, and that my guild is not considering this as a game to play because of that. But I am also saying "but that's ok, we are not the target market - the game is not for everyone". (yes, I double quoted)

I mean, yeah.

Steven has had like 6 years to talk about it, and other than saying they want PvE contwnt so hard that less than 10% of players can kill it, he hasnt said anything.

Some people have tried to say they they show "PvE" in every livestream, and they showed us the cyclops encounter.

This is literally people saying they think trash mobs and a low level boss amount to top end PvE content.

They do not.

Everything we have seen so far is basically beginner content.

But this is fine, the beginner content is the stuff that will naturally be ready to show first, I dont expect them to show anything else.

Thing is,we arent asking to *see* top end PvE, we are asking for them to talk about it.

The fact they havent talked about it in 6 years tells me that at best they dont consider it important enough to talk about.

So, the situation is that for me and my guild, our preferred sphere of content is something Intrepid deem so unimportant they they har literally only said one thing about it in 6 years, despite frequent discussions about it on their forum.

I dont think it is unreasonable for anyone in that situation to make the assumption that the game in question is not aimed at them, but I do think it unreasonable that anyone should challenge that assumption without statements from said developer.

Noaani

Abarat wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

albarat, mag7spy, lets start the anti noaani forum squad. we will also protect people from pve griefers and carebears

We could get hats or something... no, TATTOOS!

Go for shirts, imo.

Azherae

Abarat wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Anyways good luck protecting people from all the carebears.

Thanks. They can be much more destructive that you are giving them credit for... we will have an entry in the guild recruitment part of the forum soon.

Well, I mean, I'm one, so I probably wouldn't promote the enemy guild, but I do genuinely wish you luck anyway.

You seem to be doing a good enough job so far, your constant flawless defense is definitely going to make me back off eventually.

Mag7spy

Noaani wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

albarat, mag7spy, lets start the anti noaani forum squad. we will also protect people from pve griefers and carebears

Mag cant join without Liniker.

You cant have a puppy without his master.

Need for admiration: They crave constant praise, admiration, and attention from others and seek validation for their self-worth.

2023 and this guy is talking about masters over people.

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