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He does have evidence it's not his word against his because he has video of them following him hours before the the stream snipe. when he said "we won't loot, love you" it was in local so above the character you can see the dialogue presumably he used local chat so Thor's chat could see it, also a guild member from Apex snitched on his own guild because he didn't agree with the guild mass reporting Piratesoftware which is why this conflict is where it is.
Another reason why he believes they stream sniped is because they typed into his Twitch chat and after being banned kept coming back on ban evader accounts
There is yet to be proof of actual pirates guild attacking them first but we do have video evidence that pirate software was stream sniped and he has a report from a person in Apex guild saying they mass reported him so I don't know
I read what the op posted. going by that I concluded that thor was whining because he got killed while submitting a bug report. op was whining because he (his guildies) got killed in town. op is trying to clarify the situation ( no one cares) and saying oh I didn't know he was writing a bug report or we wouldn't have attacked him. pls that's the best time to attack, especially when ur at a disadvantage when the other person is distracted, has no buffs, etc. this is the law of the jungle. then thor complains op tried to mass report him for spawn camping.
i don't know who is right and who isn't and I don't really care. I'm also not against spawn camping, except intrepid said don't do it, so probably don't do it (until they fix corruption I guess?). now they probably gonna disable pvp in some areas, so less fun for me >:
Is there any proof that you were mass reported? So the guy that you killed 4-5 times at the shrine said that he was going to report you for griefing and spawn camping, do you have proof of the report? Everyone says there's video evidence but where is the PROOF that VladCervantes made this claim or any member of their guild?
It's funny to see a narrative pushed with "trust me bro" as proof.
Also:
You are also spreading something that's not been made public by anyone, please provide proof of Apex talking about mass reporting him and the name of the member that "quit because of this."
There's video proof that Pirates killed someone (VladCervantes) multiple times at a shrine ON RESPAWN, the same person killed over and over that said something to him an hour before in local? The same person that supposedly quit and told Pirates that they were being mass reported?
Please link me to this "video evidence of true events" that way everyone can see what you're talking about and we won't have to guess at it. Really any proof besides 3 players standing next to each other in a game, not fighting or doing anything.
I'm not condeming Pirates here, don't try to use them as a shield. I'm condemnin YOUR positions of who has a right to go to social media and conduct propaganda and what I percive as a double standard on your part.
I don't know who is moraly or factually right, we are both just reciving a bunch of competing claims and trying to figure out who did what. I've said right from the get go that I consider the stream-snipe as a perfectly legit counter tactic to Pirates entire guild structure. As is taking to social media against a group that is already all over social media, it's fair game.
All indications are that Pirates leader declared a vendatta on that percived stream sniping alone and I'll laugh at Pirates and call them fools for that. The accuations by Pirates of mass reporting by Apex came after the Pirates struk back, and this is the only area where I think theirs a possibility of Apex doing something illegitimate.
If the reports were simply "I got spawn camped by this guild" or "they killed us in nodes" aka they were accurate descriptions of in game events, no mater how salty, then I call that legit, even if done in the hope that some kind of ban or sanction from Intrepid would result, even if you beg Intrepid for it. So long as the reports are not in themselves lies attempting to decive Intrepid then I have no issue.
If Intrepid recive reports that it can deduce are lies then Intrepid should punish thouse false reporters, if the reports are accurate then reporters should be thanked for their useful reports and either told 'we will fix that' or 'it's working as intended'. So far I'm getting no impressions of false reports and Pirates will need to show more evidence of that to get any sympathy from me.
That said, if your members were trying to report Pirates, my idea is this: Steve if you're listening - if they misuse the report to avoid PvP, you should not ban them... instead you should flag them for 2 weeks, making it so anyone can attack them without consequence for trying to abuse moderation and waste their time and resources.
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Yeap, very entitled. Thanks for clarifying that.
I don't perceive my actions as a double standard.
I simply started my opinion on what I consider to be in game and out of game. We could debate that until the end of time.
Mass reporting is and always will be a tactic I consider to be in bad faith.
This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
"We wont loot, love you" in a game where death destroys part of the materials you have, gives you exp debt, death sickness, makes you run all the way back, and durability damage.
Yeah its just a prank bro. Why u mad that I purposely stalked you?
Thor went through the whole incident, again, on his stream today due to this forum thread. As you can see from the post he made earlier today. Go to his channel, watch the VOD, and you will see the VOD of the day this happened. The first thing that contradicts with the statement of Apex is that they were on the other side of a mountain. In reality they were at the entrance of a cave. Secondly, they didn't attack anyone except for Thor after they figured out where he is, making it more obvious to be a targeted attack. After that Vlad reached out to him over Discord, something that can't be 100% proven to be him, but Thor did show parts of their conversation. As far as I am aware, Vlad got invited to join Pirates instead after leaving Apex, of which I don't know the outcome just yet.
As for the spawn camping, after three or four kills, Thor even told everyone to stop and leave Vlad alone. Due to the lack of precise language, camping shrines can be interpreted as a lot of different things. Some see camping after the first kill, others after a set amount of time, and others again after a couple of kills. It's all a matter of interpretation as long as there is nothing official.
Link to the VOD: (At around 3:29:00 he starts going over it and it is about 30 minutes to an hour.)
Edit; As it seems, links aren't shown. Just go to his Twitch and watch the VOD of today at the provided timestamp.
A Streamer crying about getting streamsniped is such an amateur feeling, this will happen A LOT more and Thor knows it, is he going to declare war on all the server guilds?
If you are a streamer, protect your stream from it, like in ANY real-time pvp game.
That said, nothing is an excuse to cry to GMs, mass report like a baby and whine on reddit because you're now also getting killed as consequence.
Anyway, keep the drama coming.
Also, Steven was top notch
? No he does not accept the consequences of that. All of this drama is a consequence of him not accepting that. He clearly didn't stop crying about it lol
I can't participate in testing myself due to work and irl. Can someone clarify how respawn occurs? Specifically, is there any protection for players who just spawned or respawned? Something like immunity tiny zone or immunity shortlived buff?
does it matter how he reacted emotionally? he didnt go after the other guild outside of the game. he just put them on the KoS list because it was a culmination of multiple things and being attacked while locked into a bug report screen would be quite the infuriating experience especially when you know the ones attacking you are watching your stream for lulz.
The problem here is the other guild trying to abuse gms and report tools to try and mess with pirate and his guild after losing in the game. Thats all there is to it.
No it does not matter, everything apart from the crying on reddit and mass reporting is part of the game. Im just saying he clearly did not accept being streamsnipped as that guy said.
If him and other streams do not protect their streams in this game, you can cry streamsniped all you want, you will keep getting wrecked.
He's not crying about being stream sniped though. He was providing context for how what the OP said is inaccurate and has video evidence for this. He was more than open to just enjoy this as PVP content.
The only reason Apex Order became KOS instead of just a simple PVP engagement that they initiated is because they were called out for mass reporting Piratesoftware by one of their own members after he attacked Apex Order back. The Pirates are just engaging in PVP as the game is intended to have so as far as I can see are not doing anything wrong. It's Apex Order that are complaining everywhere because they don't like the consequences of their actions.
And mass reporting for this should be punishable.
Saying that Thor did not get mad and butthurt because he got streamsnipped is closing your eyes on purpose tho, but I understand
This was me reviving him. :P
Declaration that peace was no longer an option came down after learning that there were attempts to mass report Actual Pirates. Without that, it would have just been a typical war scenario.
If not for that, Apex Order's later attempt to make peace probably could have worked. Their "team lead" either has no idea what their team members are actually doing (nor control of them) or they are being wildly dishonest, and either scenario means that negotiations are fruitless.
Further, if their team members were lying to this team lead, the entire encounter and follow-up incidents were live online and broadcasts recorded. The receipts are there to see what actually happened. Either they do not care about the facts or are just hoping no one fact checks their further attempts to falsely report the situation. Neither should earn them sympathy.
It's hard to argue with someone who is not even observing the same reality.
He accepted that he could be stream snipped and still streamed. The consequences was death in game and he reacted accordingly in game.
A kos order is not crying, it's a normal in game response to a guild leader being PKed.
Just because people can see him playing and talking doesn't change the fact that the events happened in game up until the mass reporting.
This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
I haven't said anything was wrong about the kos, quite the opposite. You're on other reality
That reads like you are mad that Thor was mad?
This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
The only issues I'm seeing with this story are as these.
As he should have. That's clearly griefing. You killed him, he's no threat anymore. Let him spawn and move on, if he attacks again after spawn then you can kill him again.
Again, as he, and your guild, should have. You are a team and a group, stand together against griefing.
This is hardcore griefing at it's finest, and hardcore abuse of a known bug with the corruption system to boot. That second part is the big one. Abuse of a known bug to grief other players. You are not going to convince me in any way that this streamer guy didn't know about this bug before hand, as even I found out about it quite a while ago and confirmed personally with a friend and with other guilds who found the same bug and result. Even if by some chance he wants to play idiot and claim he didn't know about it at the start it would have become blatantly obvious after the first few grief kills.
Griefing is going to happen, it's a game with PvP. It's never going to be wiped out, blatant griefing should be reported by players and punished by Dev's as that's not in the spirit of the game. Using a known bug to grief a large number of players should be very harshly punished, I'm talking breaking the ban hammer on some skulls harsh. This statement on the their stream, this call of arms to grief and continue do so until driving others away. This should not stand. If that statement is true it's crossing a major line. That's not just griefing, it's toxicity and should not be tolerated at any level. We don't need more toxic people in this community especially if they have lot's of mindless sheeple to follow their whims. Toxicity does not make games better, it ruins them. Cut out the cancer early to save the life of the game. If not a complete ban this guy should at the very least be permanently removed from the Alpha and Beta tests. If all of this is true it's clear this guy is a toxic player who is willing to abuse bugs to grief players. Set the example early, set it often, set it consistently.
Mad about it for 30mins? When was he mad? He just looked through his own VOD's and confirmed that what the OP listed as the reasons and events of this issue was incorrect. It's easy content, gets more people invested in the game and shows what a social sandbox can be.
It's fairly obvious that you take Apex's statement at face value without questioning and CHECKING if the claims are true or not. You jump on a train and join the attempted witch hunt. There are vods that show the real story. The timestamps got even mentioned here.
You just have to learn that 1+1=2
You keep affirming he was not mad when anyone who saw the stream clearly saw he was mad and butthurt. Thats it
Youre wanting to stuff more things when its only about that.
He did not accept geting streamsnipped, he was butthurt. Thats it
Your response is a little rude, but I'll play ball.
The math is simple:
Attack other guilds+"Mass reporting"= permanent KOS
Apex mass reporting is the main story here, not Thor.
This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.