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DPS Meter Megathread

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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    nanfoodle wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Dygz wrote: »
    I mean... it's always been said - No Add-ons.
    2nd party or 3rd party or 4th party - No Add-ons.

    I bet we have quotes about that here before Page 10.

    This is not where the line is, nor has it ever been.

    You will not be able to find Intrepid saying that add-ons are the line.

    This is because combat trackers are not add-ons.

    The only line that has been drawn is no third party applications that give an unfair advantage.

    The letter of that would include Discord, it would include web browsers if you use it to look for information on thr game such as builds, look at a wiki, or ask a question on these forums or Reddit.

    Right now, it is purely at Intrepuds discretion, yet they are banning people that are specifically not crossing the only line they have drawn.

    Whether YOU like it or not, if Intrepid state third party applications of some particular form are against their ToS, that means second party applications are specifically not against the ToS that Intrepid have had us all agree to.

    Just for reference, there are several thousands of people that have downloaded an ACT mod to run with Ashes. Combat tracking is just as common in Ashes alpha as it is in WoW today.

    So far, no one using ACT has reported that Intrepid is in any way aware that they are running it, because there is literally no way for them to detect it.

    Including the 3rd party app that lets you scan crafting nods to cherry pick node that have rare crafting mats.

    That is not a combat tracker, is doing things a combat tracker can not do, and has no real place in a discussion on combat trackers.
  • AszkalonAszkalon Member, Alpha Two
    StevenSharif wrote: »
    DPS Meter Megathread

    My Damage is longer than yours.







    Topic completed. :mrgreen:
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  • OtrOtr Member, Alpha Two
    Noaani wrote: »
    mainedutch wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    mainedutch wrote: »
    no addons = no addons. i'd like to keep it that way.

    that being said, I wouldn't care much about an in-house dps meter. i just don't want that to become a runaway train. "we have this, so why don't we do 'xyz'".

    I agree.

    From my perspective though, the best way for Intrepid to prevent it from running away is for them to keep it all in house.

    If they don't have a built in combat tracker, a third party one (or second party, in my case) *will* be made. The data to fill that tracker *will* be obtained. If Intrepid leave it so that this is what happens, they have lost control.

    I mean, any unpermitted software being used in game would likely be a bannable offense. I don't think people are willing to take that risk in a game with such expeditious progression like Ashes. But who knows really.

    For sure.

    The trick is to use something they can't or won't prevent people from using.

    OBS is a good example of that. If the only software I am using in relation to the game is OBS, I can use data from that to feed my combat tracker.

    If Intrepid make using OBS and other similar software a bannable offense, there will be no videos or streaming of the game at all. Ever.

    This is what I used to do, and was able to parse livestream demonstrations of the game. It is no longer where I get my data, but it should show you how pointless it is to try and ban people.

    Youtubers and streamers destroy the fun in such games.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited October 6
    Otr wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    mainedutch wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    mainedutch wrote: »
    no addons = no addons. i'd like to keep it that way.

    that being said, I wouldn't care much about an in-house dps meter. i just don't want that to become a runaway train. "we have this, so why don't we do 'xyz'".

    I agree.

    From my perspective though, the best way for Intrepid to prevent it from running away is for them to keep it all in house.

    If they don't have a built in combat tracker, a third party one (or second party, in my case) *will* be made. The data to fill that tracker *will* be obtained. If Intrepid leave it so that this is what happens, they have lost control.

    I mean, any unpermitted software being used in game would likely be a bannable offense. I don't think people are willing to take that risk in a game with such expeditious progression like Ashes. But who knows really.

    For sure.

    The trick is to use something they can't or won't prevent people from using.

    OBS is a good example of that. If the only software I am using in relation to the game is OBS, I can use data from that to feed my combat tracker.

    If Intrepid make using OBS and other similar software a bannable offense, there will be no videos or streaming of the game at all. Ever.

    This is what I used to do, and was able to parse livestream demonstrations of the game. It is no longer where I get my data, but it should show you how pointless it is to try and ban people.

    Youtubers and streamers destroy the fun in such games.

    Every few years, there is a new "these people ruin games" target.

    Back in the day it was anyone that wanted to prioritize performance over RP, then it was people talking about the game on forums, then the bulk of the population learned that combat trackers had been a thing for years and so started blaming them, then it was wikis, then people using voice communication, and now it's streamers and youtubers.

    You could blame these things - or you could realize that the gaming audience changes all the time, and it is a game developers job to change with them.

    Any of the above that a game developer doesn't embrace is going to cause issues in the game. There will be people prioritizing performance over RP, there will be people talking about the game on forums and DIscrod and such, there will be wikis, there wil be combat trackers, there will be streamers. Intrepid have no control over any of that, regardless of what anyone may want to think (Steven included).

    Their job is to make the best game they can while taking these things in to account, and they are currently failing miserably at even identifying that this is their job.
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