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You are just cherry-picking a definition... from a wiki of all places.
Definition from your article:
here is an interesting distinction that might be made without being pedantic between “atheist” and “non-theist.” The latter is not (necessarily) one who explicitly denies the existence of God (or denies theism).
wiki definition:
"Nontheism has generally been used to describe apathy or silence towards the subject of God and differs from an antithetical, explicit atheism."
Do we agree that both definitions clearly state that non-theism isn't one who denies theism or the existence of God or Gods?
If we can't agree on a definition then there really isn't a need to keep discussing, haha.
We can agree that non-theism is not one who denies the existence of god.
Denying the existence of gods is disbelief. Atheism
Not believing in the existence of gods is non-belief. Non-theism.
(Hint: Look up the Oxford dictionary definition of non-theistic, just to start).
I need to be done discussing this with you before I delve into rudeness.
Have a wonderful weekend AutumnWillow.
I was rather enjoying our discussion with no malice. I'm relatively confident of my command of the English language despite being from SEA.
Definitely not my intention to frustrate you. We have kinda gone off a little discussing semantics but I do enjoy a good discussion.
I do read what you have shared to make sense of your point of view (I hope you're doing the same) but the definitions you have pointed me to still say the same thing.
Oxford definition: Not having or involving a belief in a god or gods.
Again, not involving a belief in a god isn't a denial of existence. The words are pretty precise. In all definitions. There isn't one that states a requirement for non-theistic to deny or disbelieve the existence.
If we were having a non-religious discussion for example. All it means is our discussion doesn't involve religion. It could be about rabbits, or ponies. We aren't denying the existence of religion.
If we were having an anti-religious discussion that would be a very different thing.
Thats the clearest I can make it. Non-theist vs. Atheist. Not about God vs. disbelief or lack of belief about God.
Check out Buddhism, it's a common religion where I'm from. It's considered a Non-theistic religion that believe in the existence of God. (just that the gods aren't the deciding tenent of the religion).
I'd rather die ^^
As you have probably seen from the long discussion. I might be apathetic towards your God hood. Heh.
CylverRayne
Do I bring the super glue to reattach your bones?
This movie scene instantly came to mind when I read that.
Tim Curry as Cardinal Richelieu in Three Muskateers. (youtube link is below but you can't see it)
I'm going to give this one last try...
You are the one who keeps conflating non-belief with disbelief.
If you live your whole life in a desert and have never encountered snow and have no concept of snow, you have a non-belief in snow. You cannot deny the existence of snow because you have no concept of snow. You will be silent about belief in snow and you will be apathetic about the existence of snow. Because snow has zero impact on your life.
If you live in the tundra/arctic, you cannot have non-belief about the existence of snow. You cannot be silent or apathetic about belief in the existence of snow. You must believe in the existence of snow because snow permeates your life experience. You don't have to worship snow. But you have to believe in snow - if you are rational. To not believe in snow would be delusional because the existence of snow is tangible and impacts your life and the lives of the people around you.
In the real world, you can talk about shamanism as non-theistic because shamanism arises from a culture that has no concept of gods. In a world where gods do not truly exist - as in, gods don't appear in tangible form and perform miracles and consistently grant prayers.
In Ashes, shamanism can be religion that worships Nature and Life instead of worshiping the gods, but that would still be theistic shamanism. Belief in the gods while worshiping powers other than gods.
In the world of Ashes, theism is rational and non-theism is delusional.
Theism is the belief in the existence of gods. Non-theism is not having a belief in the existence of gods. The meaning is inherent: Non= not - Theism = belief in the existence of gods.
It is not possible to be both a theist and a non-theist.
It is not possible to both believe in the existence of gods and not believe in the existence of gods.
It is possible to not believe in the existence of gods and not deny believing in the existence of gods.
The distinction between atheism and non-theism is that while both can mean lacking a belief in the existence of gods, atheism also has a denotation of disbelief in the existence of gods while non-theism does not include the denotation of disbelief in the existence of gods. Non-theism is non-belief; not disbelief.
This isn't rocket science.
Let's keep it simple. I understand and agree with your point if we're using your specific definition of non-theist being a non believer in the existence of God.
Do you understand my point using the definitions of non-theism from 3 different sources (2 of which that were provided by you?)
Oxford definition:
Non-theistic - adj Not having or involving a belief in a god or gods.
wiki definition:
"Nontheism has generally been used to describe apathy or silence towards the subject of God and differs from an antithetical, explicit atheism."
Defintion from the article you referred me to:
There is an interesting distinction that might be made without being pedantic between “atheist” and “non-theist.” The latter is not (necessarily) one who explicitly denies the existence of God (or denies theism).
None of the the above definitions define non-theism as non-belief. Or even lack of belief. One offered by you specifically states non-theism as "not one who explicitly denies the existence of theism"
They define non-theism as an apathy towards God (lack of interest), lack of involvement of a belief (I.e. Nothing to do with belief) and lastly, not one who denies existence of God or denies theism.
If a non-theistic discussion just describes a discussion that isn't about gods.
A non-theistic religion just describes a religion that isn't about God.
A theist can have a non-theistic discussion about star wars.
A theist can join a non-theistic religion about jedis.
Agreed?
Heh. I was talking in the context of the game. Oops. Sorry, To correct misconceptions is an occupational hazard of mine.
As mentioned right from the beginning. I would like to see some non-theistic religions in the game.