*New Class Names*

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DeadlyMageCZ said:

Archon is good, but I don't think there was anything particularly wrong with Archwizard, they're both a great fit for the "mage to the maximum" class. Not a big fan of Elementalist though. Mages use elemental spells, we know that, there is nothing special about it in the class, no differentiating factor, nothing that would make me think:"Oh, a Mage and a Ranger.", if you know what I mean. I've got the same problem with Sorcerer. I'd say that something like Diviner, Clairvoyant or even Fortune Teller would fit that class combination a lot better than yet another "generic mage class name" that Sorcerer is.

@DeadlyMageCZ Ye, I understand your point. Ive never really played a Mage type class in games. Always usually play melee. As I said in my original post, because I dont really play mage type classes I did struggle coming up with names for the mage archetype. So other ppls input is welcomed. I did also make the suggestion of Tempest in place of Elementalist as well, so maybe that could work. Thou to be honest I dont really like Diviner, Clairvoyant or even Fortune Teller. Neither 3 sound very threatening for a high damage dps class. Thanks for your input eitherway.

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@Strykerz so im a bit conflicted with Deathknight. Im coming from a D&D perspective and a Deathknight wouldnt come from a Tank/Rouge combo. It more or less would be a gladiator to me. Someone who has endurance and strength but the agility to battle lions and fighters.

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I must say that I was going to go ranger rogue but it turns out that will be a scout, scout is a terrible name as is apostle which are lowly names, rogue, ranger is a predator which is much better.

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where is the ninja? rogue/mage?

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estadificil said:

where is the ninja? rogue/mage?

That would be more fighter/rogue 

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nagash said:

estadificil said:

where is the ninja? rogue/mage?

That would be more *fighter/rogue 

Maybe even rogue/fighter. Probably because people think more of the legends of water walking and invisibility instead of the actual stories of guerrilla tactics farmers/villagers. 

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Loyheta said:

nagash said:

estadificil said:

where is the ninja? rogue/mage?

That would be more *fighter/rogue 

Maybe even rogue/fighter. Probably because people think more of the legends of water walking and invisibility instead of the actual stories of guerrilla tactics farmers/villagers. 

Exactly my point it makes sense as they do a huge amounts damage but can't stay in prolong combat as their lack of armour will kill them. P.S thanks for correcting me with the fighter class ^^

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Loyheta said:

nagash said:

estadificil said:

where is the ninja? rogue/mage?

That would be more *fighter/rogue 

Maybe even rogue/fighter. Probably because people think more of the legends of water walking and invisibility instead of the actual stories of guerrilla tactics farmers/villagers. 

it's a fantasy game, let me fantasize u,u

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Loyheta said:

nagash said:

estadificil said:

where is the ninja? rogue/mage?

That would be more *fighter/rogue 

Maybe even rogue/fighter. Probably because people think more of the legends of water walking and invisibility instead of the actual stories of guerrilla tactics farmers/villagers. 

it's a fantasy game, let me fantasize u.u

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As someone planning to be a (current) Duelist... I like that name. Some people claim it's boring to them, but I urge you to google duelist. the images are align perfectly with the Rogue/Fighter class. Additionally, from a DnD standpoint, I think it fits quite well as an actual class. Shadowblade is just meh to me because it's unoriginal- you even stated it yourself in your explanation the combination of names is just synonyms for Rogue/Fighter.

The Fighter/Rogue combination should be Skirmisher, I feel. Executioner isn't bad, it just isn't very apt. If you take a look at multi-classing names, Skirmisher implies a guerrilla warfare type fighter, which it totally apt for Fighter/Rogue. A Fighter who's skills rely on exploiting opportunities seems far better suited for a Skirmisher than an Executioner. There is nothing rogue-ish about an executioner, in my humble opinion.

A suggestion for Executioner? If you insist on keepng it and like the title Skirmisher more for Fighter/Rogue, I might suggest placing the Cleric/ Rogue as the title of Executioner. 'Betrayer' seems... off to me. You could also change Betrayer to Zealot... A Cleric that is willing to go into the shadows? The ends must absolutely justify the means with a character of such an archetype. Also Apostate works too... though that might be a little more specific.

I do also sort of agree that professions such as Pirate shouldn't be included... and Executioner is one such profession... as is Knight (though hypocritically I am ok with allowing the Tank/ Fighter such a designation).

Why get rid of Scout (Ranger/ Rogue)? Again in DnD classes not all classes need to have an "epic" class name. Scout was perfect. Guardian (Tank/Tank) was perfect too.

I wasn't quite sure about the Infiltrator (Ranger/Bard) until i read your justification. I am ok with this!

The rest look good to me.

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Honestly, the current names are all good with me, nothing nearly as stupid as "_____hunter" or "(weapon)+er"
*Edit I take that back, Bladecaller sounds pretty silly... but not the worst.  It gives you a basic idea of what they do, and Conjurer is already taken.  I don't see Enchanter though.

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Scryer v Herald, both are nice, i'll be content whatever the name is

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Meh, I do not agree with a lot of your choices, as it seems not a lot of thought went into them and it is more to sound "cool."  Given the choice, I'd go with the devs as at least they can have the lore back the name up.

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I woud definitly keep Shadow Lord, ArchWizard, Bladedancer and Falconer in the new class name list made by OP.  Everything else looks better compared to the original ones made by IS. Both in the cool aspect and making sense in what is expected from the combination of the two main class archtypes.

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I just dont see how mage + mage = archwizard and not archmage xD

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Irie707 said:

@Strykerz so im a bit conflicted with Deathknight. Im coming from a D&D perspective and a Deathknight wouldnt come from a Tank/Rouge combo. It more or less would be a gladiator to me. Someone who has endurance and strength but the agility to battle lions and fighters.

@Irie707 I see your point mate. I came to that decision based on what I already said on it in my original post but also because Tank/Fighter was a Knight so making a Tank/Rogue kinda like a darker version of a Knight.    DeathKnight could also probably fit into a Fighter/Rogue replacing Executioner on my list but then what would be a better name for Tank/Rogue? Even changing Executioner to Gladiator would be a good idea imo.

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Everyone is entitled their opinion, even if they are wrong... bhahahahhaaa. 🤣

Personally I want people to remember my toon because of my deeds vs people saying I was an awesome "witchdoctor".

That's my flawed opinion.

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I'd guess I'd go with something like this with the mages...


Mage/Fighter = Battlemage
Fireballs, Blizzards, etc. The artillery. Often seen in cities and with armies.

Mage/Tank = Dragon Knight
Like other knights but now with flame breaths, cones of cold, etc. The shock troops.

Mage/Rogue = Witch
Potion makers, curse casters, illusionists, etc. The sinister work in darkness class.

Mage/Ranger = Elemental Mage
Nature related spell casters. Earth, Wind, Fire, Air, etc. Often seen in wildiness.

Mage/Mage = Sorcerer
Those problem childs that set the house on fire when they think that it could be little bit warmer. Natural spell casters, in all of its aspects and foremost its chaotic aspect. Tought not the most evil, still the most desctructive.

Mage/Summoner = Warlock
Those in demon pact with the underworld. Gets along well with Witches.

Mage/Cleric = Archmage
Those mages who have specialized on certain aspect and mastered it. Demigods on their own right or by pact. The most heroic of them, and the most likely Liches.

Mage/Bard = Wizzard
Those Gandalfs and other white bearded guys who stand on the edge of deep darkness and compell firedeamons to stay out. And sometimes take professor positions in Hogwards.

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This is a lot better than what we have atm, too much mancer/spell/shield, it's totally uninspired and un-unique.

Like seriously, some guy gets to be called a DREADNOUGHT! And I gotta be called a stonespell? laaaaaaaame.

How about Heart of Stone, Lord of Stone, Unbreakable Sorcerer, Warlock (the tanky part of warlock fits more than summoner imo)

Or even Sorcerous Titan, my favourite, or like the OP wrote, Arbiter.

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So, wanted to thank everyone for their posts and/or ideas on better class names. Ive been reading through everyones posts and ideas etc. Been watching Youtuber vids and listening to their opinions also, such as The Ashen Heralds etc and Ive updated the class list.
Ive made the following changes:-

Fighter/Rogue -   Slayer ( was Executioner)
Fighter/Bard -      Mercenary ( was Pirate )
Ranger/Ranger - Marksman ( was Deadeye)
Cleric/Cleric -      High Priest ( was Inquisitor, reverted it back to original name)



I do have 2 further names that I like but dont have a clue where they might fit or even IF they should fit.
Wraith
Banshee ( Thinking Summoner/Bard, but not 100% sure)

If you have any further ideas on better names, Id be interested to hear your opinions.
Constructive criticism always welcomed.

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Strykerz said:

Ferryman said:

Cleric + Cleric = Inquisitor

Does not make sense. If you combine two clerics you should get something like high priest, something pure and holy. Inquisition was about torture and murdering heretics and that way Cleric + Rogue would make about x100 more sense.

@Ferryman Yeah I can see your point.  I just think High Priest is too bland.  How about then  Seraph.

SERAPH
(Google Definition)
an angelic being, regarded in traditional Christian angelology as belonging to the highest order of the ninefold celestial hierarchy, associated with light, ardour, and purity.

In regards to Cleric/Rogue,  Betrayer is better than Inquisitor imo.

Cleric/Rogue = Betrayer name would make even more sense if its rez uses group mates' health.  There are other possibilities to base this class on sacrifice, such as using own health and others' health to heal others and disappear momentarily.

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Are they changing the names?

This needs to be done before launch or no one will take the game seriously with some of those awful names they have now.

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glak said:

Strykerz said:

Ferryman said:

Cleric + Cleric = Inquisitor

Does not make sense. If you combine two clerics you should get something like high priest, something pure and holy. Inquisition was about torture and murdering heretics and that way Cleric + Rogue would make about x100 more sense.

@Ferryman Yeah I can see your point.  I just think High Priest is too bland.  How about then  Seraph.

SERAPH
(Google Definition)
an angelic being, regarded in traditional Christian angelology as belonging to the highest order of the ninefold celestial hierarchy, associated with light, ardour, and purity.

In regards to Cleric/Rogue,  Betrayer is better than Inquisitor imo.

Cleric/Rogue = Betrayer name would make even more sense if its rez uses group mates' health.  There are other possibilities to base this class on sacrifice, such as using own health and others' health to heal others and disappear momentarily.

Ye, you're right. I should of updated with Seraph. Must of overlooked this one. Thanks

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I just want a shadow knight/death knight kind of option I love that necromancer is being supported but really wish there was a melee version.

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Valentines said:

Are they changing the names?

This needs to be done before launch or no one will take the game seriously with some of those awful names they have now.

I agree, hopefully they take some inspiration from this thread.

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Wester said:

I just want a shadow knight/death knight kind of option I love that necromancer is being supported but really wish there was a melee version.

well there is any class can use any weapon so you could give your necro a greatsword 

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Updated the list with 2 new names.

Fighter/Mage - Runeblader was (Spellsword).  Imo, fits perfectly and gets rid of the generic name of Spellsword.

Cleric/Cleric - Seraph was (High Priest). This was due to @glak reminding me of the definition I wrote in my original post.

SERAPH
(Google Definition)
an angelic being, regarded in traditional Christian angelology as belonging to the highest order of the ninefold celestial hierarchy, associated with light, ardour, and purity.

Only name now I think needs to be changed, as Im not 100% happy, is the 
Rogue/Mage - Phantom

Open to suggestions.

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I think Phantom sounds good. It's got that 'you'll never see me coming, and I also got magic' vibe.

I like the sound of Aegis instead of Apostle and Sage instead of Acolyte because they sound like a higher position instead of the title of an apprentice.

I'd have to disagree with Beserker, Runeblader, and Elementalist. To me, Weapon Master and Spellsword pretty much hit the nail on the head, and Elementalist doesn't fit Ranger; it sounds like a magic specialisation within a magic main.

The only others that stand out are Cultist, Charlatan, and Betrayer - these sound like they have fairly negative connotations. If someone referred to me officially as a Charlatan I couldn't take pride in the name. So maybe some changes to these, and keep the original for Betrayer. 

Trying to think what else Charlatan could be called...Swiftsong or Songblade? (following the naming convention of compound words with lots of the titles).

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Strykerz said:

Open to suggestions.

Your chart is prettier than the butchered one I made... but:



This was the top voted names from a survey I did a little bit ago.

Speaking personally, I actually like the name Spellsword. I don't think it is generic at all. It is a play on words of Sellsword. 

It is especially fitting after you remove the actual generic names from the list. After every 'blade' and 'sword' and 'spell' based generic name is outta there, Spellsword actually shines.