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The problem with having “Tank” as a class name

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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    pyreal wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    pyreal wrote: »
    The real problem with a class being named 'Tank' is that it is outside of accepted Fantasy lore.

    It describes the player's perspective, rather than Verra's.

    If this is your issue, there is a really easy way to make the situation more palatable to you.

    Accept that it is within accepted fantasy lore.

    I mean, what you accept or not is 100% your choice. If you are not accepting it, that is your decision. However, you can't use your decision as an argument in saying it is fine or not.

    Do you read novels?

    With novels, and some games, there is a willing suspension of disbelief. When silly things are said or done that do not belong within the fictional world, that suspension can be broken.
    It's extremely annoying and shows a lack of skill on the part of the writer.

    Should some of the tavern drinks be called Cola, and HillDew?

    WoW was infested with pop references. They offered a quick and cheap chuckle, and nothing more.

    The thing with this is - no matter what Intrepid do, if you roll a tank, other players will call you a tank.

    I can't see how you can say a term doesn't belong in a game when that is the only term 99% of players will refer to your class as.

    So, from a suspension of disbelief perspective, you could easily "decide" that since that is what others in the world will call you, it is perfectly acceptable for the game to call you that as well.
  • MaciejMaciej Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Asgerr wrote: »
    Honestly if anyone stops themselves from playing this game (assuming nothing else is wrong with it) just on account of the name Tank for one of 8 archetypes.....

    Well you know what I mean.

    I haven't seen anyone state here they aren't going to play the game if the name doesn't change.

    That said, there is a myriad of reasons someone might get interested in AoC, then look at the wiki or watch some videos for 10 minutes and find something they don't like: world PvP, there is too much action combat, there isn't enough action combat, the game looks too hardcore, the game doesn't look hardcore enough, the animations are off, their favorite class isn't covered, their favorite class is covered but has a dumb name, etc.

    All of those are perfectly valid reasons to decide how to spend your valuable free time, and Intrepid doesn't and shouldn't try to please everyone.
  • WhitneyHagasMatsumotoWhitneyHagasMatsumoto Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    So I'll dedicate this video to make everyone's precious time a little more enjoyable.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VsgkIE-RHg&ab_channel=SEATBELTS
  • Tank forever.
  • ShoximityShoximity Member, Warrior of Old, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    OP, here. Just popping back in to say thank you everyone who participated in this discussion! I haven't checked out the forum since September, so I am glad to see my original post is living on strong. Ultimately, I think everyone wants this game to be great. We all would like things to be a certain way based on our experiences, opinions, preferences, etc. The archetype "Tank" really is small potatoes in the scheme of things. It may put a damper on my immersion, but I respect the opinions of others that it doesn't bother. Regardless, there are much more important things in regards to the games' success than just the naming of a archetype/class. I think we are all here on the forums because we ALL want this game to be good. I think things like perfecting gameplay, design, lore, content, music, etc. will all be more important than just perfecting every single archetype name. However, I do think that it could be such a simple fix that if this game does turn out to be successful, they may end up looking back on it in 3+ years regretting their decision or get tired of getting memed on by the ppl that really do care about them breaking the 4th wall. In the end, it likely won't get changed, but at least we can say "we tried".
  • WhitneyHagasMatsumotoWhitneyHagasMatsumoto Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    @Cripsus -san
    I apologize for my aggressive and cynical attitude towards the twists and turns in the thread you created.
    And I have a lot of respect for your tolerance and positive attitude!
    Let's continue to have free and lively discussions together, so that we can make Ashes great together. ;)
  • WarthWarth Member, Alpha Two
    bump
  • maouwmaouw Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Warth wrote: »
    bump

    you. cheeky. muffin.
    I wish I were deep and tragic
  • SaeduSaedu Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    "Tank", "Healer", and "DPS" are the roles in a group. It is confusing if any of these roles are also class names.
  • OstaffOstaff Member, Alpha Two
    Saedu wrote: »
    "Tank", "Healer", and "DPS" are the roles in a group. It is confusing if any of these roles are also class names.

    (pout) There goes my idea of having two more classes named Healer and DPS.
  • WarthWarth Member, Alpha Two
    I'd like to argue, that Tank as an archetype name is and will always be completely fine.

    Just because its common MMO jargo won't affect the quality of the name at all.

    Names can have different meanings and while the tank archetype might lend itself to the tank role, it won't be the only thing the Archetype can do.
  • tautautautau Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Try throwing out a different word for 'Tank' and see if it sticks. If people use your word instead, you have changed the language.
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Let the thread diiieeeeeee!!!!!!!!!
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I will kill the next person to post and I will then use your bones as a xylophone as a warning to everyone else
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    The dead do not squabble as this land’s rulers do. The dead have no desires, petty jealousies or ambitions. A world of the dead is a world at peace
  • ViBunjaViBunja Member, Alpha Two
    Tank should be Barbarian/Juggernaut/Guardian
  • WarthWarth Member, Alpha Two
    edited April 2021
    ViBunja wrote: »
    Tank should be Barbarian/Juggernaut/Guardian

    juggernaut and guardian are already class names and barbarian doesn't fit the theme
  • WarthWarth Member, Alpha Two
    tautau wrote: »
    Try throwing out a different word for 'Tank' and see if it sticks. If people use your word instead, you have changed the language.

    people did that for 3 years. Non stuck so tank must be good
  • ViBunjaViBunja Member, Alpha Two
    Warth wrote: »
    ViBunja wrote: »
    Tank should be Barbarian/Juggernaut/Guardian

    juggernaut and guardian are already class names and barbarian doesn't fit the theme

    But AoC is based on D&D/Pathfinder, how doesn't it fit the theme?
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited April 2021
    ViBunja wrote: »
    Warth wrote: »
    ViBunja wrote: »
    Tank should be Barbarian/Juggernaut/Guardian

    juggernaut and guardian are already class names and barbarian doesn't fit the theme

    But AoC is based on D&D/Pathfinder, how doesn't it fit the theme?
    It doesn't fit the theme of the class, not the theme of the game.

    If you are a tank that reduces your incoming damage via avoidance rather than mitigation, being called a juggernaut isn't super appropriate. It only really fits in with a few of the possible tank variants in Ashes, as does guardian.

    Tank fits all of them.
  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited April 2021
    ViBunja wrote: »
    Warth wrote: »
    ViBunja wrote: »
    Tank should be Barbarian/Juggernaut/Guardian

    juggernaut and guardian are already class names and barbarian doesn't fit the theme

    But AoC is based on D&D/Pathfinder, how doesn't it fit the theme?

    Because ashes is its own thing and its own world that how, Just because it takes influence from something does not mean it has to be the same so tank in ashes is fine
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    The dead do not squabble as this land’s rulers do. The dead have no desires, petty jealousies or ambitions. A world of the dead is a world at peace
  • AsgerrAsgerr Member, Alpha Two
    edited April 2021
    Can we have WanderingMist or any other mod close this god forsaken (aka Tulnar) thread down once and for all?

    I swear I'll start having PTSD about this whole stupid ordeal
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  • ViBunjaViBunja Member, Alpha Two
    Nagash wrote: »
    ViBunja wrote: »
    Warth wrote: »
    ViBunja wrote: »
    Tank should be Barbarian/Juggernaut/Guardian

    juggernaut and guardian are already class names and barbarian doesn't fit the theme

    But AoC is based on D&D/Pathfinder, how doesn't it fit the theme?

    Because ashes is its own thing and its own world that how, Just because it takes influence from something does not mean it has to be the same so tank in ashes is fine

    If it is their own thing, then why are you making into something else?
  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited April 2021
    ViBunja wrote: »
    Nagash wrote: »
    ViBunja wrote: »
    Warth wrote: »
    ViBunja wrote: »
    Tank should be Barbarian/Juggernaut/Guardian

    juggernaut and guardian are already class names and barbarian doesn't fit the theme

    But AoC is based on D&D/Pathfinder, how doesn't it fit the theme?

    Because ashes is its own thing and its own world that how, Just because it takes influence from something does not mean it has to be the same so tank in ashes is fine

    If it is their own thing, then why are you making into something else?

    Im not the one wanting to change the name. I'm fine with tank as a name for a class
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    The dead do not squabble as this land’s rulers do. The dead have no desires, petty jealousies or ambitions. A world of the dead is a world at peace
  • WarthWarth Member, Alpha Two
    Asgerr wrote: »
    Can we have WanderingMist or any other mod close this god forsaken (aka Tulnar) thread down once and for all?

    I swear I'll start having PTSD about this whole stupid ordeal

    If you don't like it, don't read it.
  • AsgerrAsgerr Member, Alpha Two
    Warth wrote: »
    Asgerr wrote: »
    Can we have WanderingMist or any other mod close this god forsaken (aka Tulnar) thread down once and for all?

    I swear I'll start having PTSD about this whole stupid ordeal

    If you don't like it, don't read it.

    Oh but I've read it and participated multiple times, across multiple servers. Nothing gets put forward beyond the "I don't like it cause vroom vroom tanks are a thing, please change it or I whine some more".

    By now they are aware of the opinion, and I get the feeling they don't care.

    So let's leave the front page of the forums (cause we know no one clicks to go to page 2, let's be honest), for newer and more constructive topics.

    And if you don't like my complaining about this issue, don't read it. Sounds dumb doesn't it ya troll?
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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Asgerr wrote: »
    Warth wrote: »
    Asgerr wrote: »
    Can we have WanderingMist or any other mod close this god forsaken (aka Tulnar) thread down once and for all?

    I swear I'll start having PTSD about this whole stupid ordeal

    If you don't like it, don't read it.

    Oh but I've read it and participated multiple times, across multiple servers. Nothing gets put forward beyond the "I don't like it cause vroom vroom tanks are a thing, please change it or I whine some more".

    By now they are aware of the opinion, and I get the feeling they don't care.

    So let's leave the front page of the forums (cause we know no one clicks to go to page 2, let's be honest), for newer and more constructive topics.

    And if you don't like my complaining about this issue, don't read it. Sounds dumb doesn't it ya troll?

    If you want a thread to disappear, the best thing to do is to not post in it.

    Definitely don't start up a secondary debate in that thread about things like whether a thread should be shut down, that could see the thread stay on the front page for a while.
  • Change the name to Crusader!!

    Wait... NOOOOO

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  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Marcet wrote: »
    Change the name to Crusader!!

    Wait... NOOOOO

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    Wait! name all tanks the Matilda
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    The dead do not squabble as this land’s rulers do. The dead have no desires, petty jealousies or ambitions. A world of the dead is a world at peace
  • WarthWarth Member, Alpha Two
    edited April 2021
    Asgerr wrote: »
    Warth wrote: »
    Asgerr wrote: »
    Can we have WanderingMist or any other mod close this god forsaken (aka Tulnar) thread down once and for all?

    I swear I'll start having PTSD about this whole stupid ordeal

    If you don't like it, don't read it.

    Oh but I've read it and participated multiple times, across multiple servers. Nothing gets put forward beyond the "I don't like it cause vroom vroom tanks are a thing, please change it or I whine some more".

    By now they are aware of the opinion, and I get the feeling they don't care.

    So let's leave the front page of the forums (cause we know no one clicks to go to page 2, let's be honest), for newer and more constructive topics.

    And if you don't like my complaining about this issue, don't read it. Sounds dumb doesn't it ya troll?

    are you saying that the opinions of new people joining don't matter? Why shouldn't they be allowed to state their topic on an issue that is apparently large enough to spawn 24 pages. Or are you saying that you stated all your opinions on the topic, so nobody else should discuss it? Both seem very egocentric to me

    In other threads people complain that existing threads aren't utilized and new ones are crrated every time. Here you state the exact opposite. You can't have it both ways @Asgerr

    Also, i perceive that there are better options than tank, i just dont believe its a big deal
  • tautautautau Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    So two tanks doing dancing emotes would be 'Waltzing Matildas?'
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