Please change the appearance of the Dwarfs

Mangust747

Hello, I'm from Russia I want to express my opinion and ask you to change the appearance of the Dwarf Race (I will continue to write in Russian)
Короче говоря, по названию темы вы можете понять, о чем я здесь напишу. В общем, я большой поклонник расы гномов, а именно гномов из фильма "Властелин колец", меня расстроило, как здесь выглядят ваши гномы, они "корейцы" и это не только мое мнение, хотя сейчас я говорю за себя. Я знаю, что у вас была только альфа 1, и у вас еще много улучшений впереди, но, пожалуйста, если вы сможете как-то изменить их (гномов) и сделать их свирепыми и суровыми гномами, как во Властелине Колец, уверяю вас, это значительно улучшит желание играть за эту расу у многих людей, включая меня. Я с нетерпением жду твоей игры . Я приветствую всех ребят из России, отписывайтесь, ребята, если вы согласны с моим мнением, надеюсь, это обращение будет замечено!
Надеюсь, переводчик перевел нормально.

Conrad

Well, besides the translator calling them gnomes, it translates well.

And I agree! The a1 dwarves look shit. I know, unique art style and their own designs and the likes, but honestly? I don't care 🤷 I want dwarves I will recognise within any distance (except ultra big donstance cuz obvious reasons) and these versions of them are an insult to dwarves. Ppl constantly arguing there will be body modification options, but looking at the dwarves, they don't even look dwarven on default. This is fine for gnomes or halflings, but dwarves? Nah, that's just an insult xP

Reinventing the wheel doesn't work for games. If you try to do it you are just taking a shotgun and shooting yourself in the foot.

Intrepid wants the mountain dwarves to be dwarves? Then follow the stereotypes. They are there for a reason, they are liked 👍

Ael

Hello Mangust747,

Please consider writing exclusively in english, since for now this is part of the forum's rules
Otherwise a wild Toast may appear and close your thread!

Since you're a LOTR fan I'll forgive you as for myself

Here's what google translate says about the russian part of our friend's post :

In short, by the title of the topic, you can understand what I am going to write about here.

In general, I am a big fan of the race of dwarves, namely the dwarves from the movie "The Lord of the Rings", I was upset how your dwarves look here, they are "Koreans" and this is not only my opinion, although now I speak for myself.

I know, that you only had alpha 1, and you still have many improvements ahead, but please, if you can somehow change them (dwarves) and make them ferocious and harsh dwarves, like in The Lord of the Rings, I assure you, this will greatly improve the desire to play for this race for many people, including me.

I am looking forward to your game. I greet all the guys from Russia, unsubscribe [Should have been "Like" I guess?], guys, if you agree with my opinion, I hope this appeal will be noticed!

I hope the translator has translated it well. [Yeah me too buddy!]

I don't know about Korean dwarves-style but your concern is globally shared within the community. We've had a similar thread not long ago about the exact same subject (except pour the Korean part ), check it out here : https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/50509/dwarven-body-proportions

JustVine

Aeleanael wrote: »

Hello Mangust747,

Please consider writing exclusively in english, since for now this is part of the forum's rules
Otherwise a wild Toast may appear and close your thread!

I see no such mentions in the forums terms of service orhow to use the forum post. Please direct me as to where it says this.

Ael

That's from the "Home" level of the forum :

Welcome to the official Ashes of Creation forums! This post provides the rules for our forums, so be sure to review them before joining in the discussion.

Forum Rules:

1. Follow Vanilla (https://vanillaforums.com/en/legal/vanilla-forums-terms-of-serv )ice/) and Intrepid Studios (https://ashesofcreation.com/terms) Terms of Service.

2. Utilize categories for their purpose. Most forum categories have a pinned post that provides more information. At the moment, all forum categories support English threads; posts or threads in other languages may be removed accordingly.

(...)

( https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/41679/forum-rules-code-of-conduct#latest )

Conrad

Aeleanael wrote: »

That's from the "Home" level of the forum :

Welcome to the official Ashes of Creation forums! This post provides the rules for our forums, so be sure to review them before joining in the discussion.

Forum Rules:

1. Follow Vanilla (https://vanillaforums.com/en/legal/vanilla-forums-terms-of-serv )ice/) and Intrepid Studios (https://ashesofcreation.com/terms) Terms of Service.

2. Utilize categories for their purpose. Most forum categories have a pinned post that provides more information. At the moment, all forum categories support English threads; posts or threads in other languages may be removed accordingly.

(...)

( https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/41679/forum-rules-code-of-conduct#latest )

May be removed accordingly. Varies by why the different language is used it seems

Mangust747

Thank you all very much for the answers, the most important thing is that people support me and are in solidarity with my opinion, so it hooked not only me, I'm glad. The main thing is that the developers should see it and pay attention to this topic. And yes, your translator sucks translating into Russian, but you can understand it)

Mangust747

A[quote= wrote:

Hello Mangust747,

Please consider writing exclusively in english, since for now this is part of the forum's rules
Otherwise a wild Toast may appear and close your thread!

Since you're a LOTR fan I'll forgive you as for myself

Here's what google translate says about the russian part of our friend's post :

In short, by the title of the topic, you can understand what I am going to write about here.

In general, I am a big fan of the race of dwarves, namely the dwarves from the movie "The Lord of the Rings", I was upset how your dwarves look here, they are "Koreans" and this is not only my opinion, although now I speak for myself.

I know, that you only had alpha 1, and you still have many improvements ahead, but please, if you can somehow change them (dwarves) and make them ferocious and harsh dwarves, like in The Lord of the Rings, I assure you, this will greatly improve the desire to play for this race for many people, including me.

I am looking forward to your game. I greet all the guys from Russia, unsubscribe [Should have been "Like" I guess?], guys, if you agree with my opinion, I hope this appeal will be noticed!

I hope the translator has translated it well. [Yeah me too buddy!]

I don't know about Korean dwarves-style but your concern is globally shared within the community. We've had a similar thread not long ago about the exact same subject (except pour the Korean part ), check it out here : https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/50509/dwarven-body-proportions

Thank you for the answer, It remains only for the developers to pay attention to this.

Ael

Turns out there has already been a comment from Steven about this (december 2020) :

https://youtube.com/watch?v=01Jq8uKxGRM&list=PLyBXnS4gfcxN-l5Ts_DIv8grIoyB9DwDU&index=7
At 1:05:53.

Wait and see

Conrad

Aeleanael wrote: »

Turns out there has already been a comment from Steven about this (december 2020) :

https://youtube.com/watch?v=01Jq8uKxGRM&list=PLyBXnS4gfcxN-l5Ts_DIv8grIoyB9DwDU&index=7
At 1:05:53.

Wait and see

Yeah, we were meant to see beefier models. That's not what ppl want. Being beefier is just 1 out of 4 things

Mangust747

Aeleanael wrote: »

Turns out there has already been a comment from Steven about this (december 2020) :

https://youtube.com/watch?v=01Jq8uKxGRM&list=PLyBXnS4gfcxN-l5Ts_DIv8grIoyB9DwDU&index=7
At 1:05:53.

Wait and see

I still don't understand English, there's no point in watching, let's hope that Stephen will pay attention to the dwarf race and by the release we will see decent, strong and harsh dwarves of mountain cities

Shergrim

yep i don't think anyone is a fan of the dwarves in their current state..i suspect intrepid will change them up in the future along with the other races.. if not then well they're gonna have a race with like 10 players

Mangust747

Shergrim wrote: »

yep i don't think anyone is a fan of the dwarves in their current state..i suspect intrepid will change them up in the future along with the other races.. if not then well they're gonna have a race with like 10 players

I am glad that people are paying more and more attention to this topic, thank you

Vhaeyne

I really hate the current Dwarfs. They actually get worst the more you look at them.

truelyyy

Here is a dwarf from return of reckoning, I'd recommend basing the size/frame of a dwarf on this, ofc adding your own spin to the aethetics of it. At the moment their sizing is an issue for many players.

JustVine

truely wrote: »

Here is a dwarf from return of reckoning, I'd recommend basing the size/frame of a dwarf on this, ofc adding your own spin to the aethetics of it. At the moment their sizing is an issue for many players.

I get the square dwarf love, but I really preffer the top heavy trapezoid model personally. Big beefy arms and wide shoulders but slightly less wide hips proportional to the shoulders. I hope the sliders give the option to get close to this on Dunir, but still starts from top heavy trapezoid.

My reasoning for top heavy trapezoid is because female Dunir should probably have wider hips for Dunir's big ass heads to come out safely. But the square stack model would deaccentuate this gender difference to a degree between the two. You could do square for males and bottom heavy trapezoid for females if you really want the base dunir to be square. If you do that though it would make certain armor trading mechanics where racial armors are wearable by other races basically impossible with Intrepid's resources. It would also look jank (totally my personal opinion.)

The square stack model was probably built with Tolkien dwarves in mind where there wasn't a need to distinguish between male and female dwarves as much.

Sathrago

Shergrim wrote: »

yep i don't think anyone is a fan of the dwarves in their current state..i suspect intrepid will change them up in the future along with the other races.. if not then well they're gonna have a race with like 10 players

From a recent interview Steven said that they will be bringing out orcs towards the end of the year, and I quote, "once you do see them though, we will have begun pretty aggressively production on all of the races at that phase." So that is about the time we will start to see major race attention.

Here's the interview. TImestamp is 31:24
https://youtu.be/J8HWa8KFcYU?t=1884

Shergrim

Sathrago wrote: »

Shergrim wrote: »

yep i don't think anyone is a fan of the dwarves in their current state..i suspect intrepid will change them up in the future along with the other races.. if not then well they're gonna have a race with like 10 players

From a recent interview Steven said that they will be bringing out orcs towards the end of the year, and I quote, "once you do see them though, we will have begun pretty aggressively production on all of the races at that phase." So that is about the time we will start to see major race attention.

Here's the interview. TImestamp is 31:24
https://youtu.be/J8HWa8KFcYU?t=1884

nice thankyou

Mangust747

Sathrago wrote: »

Shergrim wrote: »

yep i don't think anyone is a fan of the dwarves in their current state..i suspect intrepid will change them up in the future along with the other races.. if not then well they're gonna have a race with like 10 players

From a recent interview Steven said that they will be bringing out orcs towards the end of the year, and I quote, "once you do see them though, we will have begun pretty aggressively production on all of the races at that phase." So that is about the time we will start to see major race attention.

Here's the interview. TImestamp is 31:24
https://youtu.be/J8HWa8KFcYU?t=1884

буду надеятся на это, раз Стивен говорит что мнение игроков ему важно, а как я уже понял не только мне одному не нравятся такие дворфы

Sathrago

Mangust747 wrote: »

Sathrago wrote: »

Shergrim wrote: »

yep i don't think anyone is a fan of the dwarves in their current state..i suspect intrepid will change them up in the future along with the other races.. if not then well they're gonna have a race with like 10 players

From a recent interview Steven said that they will be bringing out orcs towards the end of the year, and I quote, "once you do see them though, we will have begun pretty aggressively production on all of the races at that phase." So that is about the time we will start to see major race attention.

Here's the interview. TImestamp is 31:24
https://youtu.be/J8HWa8KFcYU?t=1884

буду надеятся на это, раз Стивен говорит что мнение игроков ему важно, а как я уже понял не только мне одному не нравятся такие дворфы

I will hope so, since Stephen says that the opinion of the players is important to him, but as I already understood, not only I alone do not like such dwarves

Yeah man here's hoping they can give us some cool looking dwarves.

Wyborn

I hope they don't start making their boots as big as their chest like WOW did. Or the big bellies it seemed the Warhammer dwarves had.

Gnimgor

Also hoping they make the dwarves more stereotypical in appearance (or give us the option to do so using sliders). Fingers crossed for the voice acting, I was never a fan of the American accented dwarves on Dragon Age, a dwarf should definitely have the right accent!

Conrad

Gnimgor wrote: »

Also hoping they make the dwarves more stereotypical in appearance (or give us the option to do so using sliders). Fingers crossed for the voice acting, I was never a fan of the American accented dwarves on Dragon Age, a dwarf should definitely have the right accent!

I'm not sure on the accent but I loved their tone of voice in DA

BobzUrUncle

Everyone has their idea of what Dwarfs look like. Intrepid has their own design ideas. Since they are making the game, let them use their idea.
Got $30-40 million? Make a game the way you want.

Sathrago

BobzUrUncle wrote: »

Everyone has their idea of what Dwarfs look like. Intrepid has their own design ideas. Since they are making the game, let them use their idea.
Got $30-40 million? Make a game the way you want.

Yeah and they have asked for feedback for their million dollar game so that they didn't waste said money. I guess we can mark you down as liking the current dwarf features and body structure?

Gnimgor

BobzUrUncle wrote: »

Everyone has their idea of what Dwarfs look like. Intrepid has their own design ideas. Since they are making the game, let them use their idea.
Got $30-40 million? Make a game the way you want.

Really no need to have an attitude. These forums are for ideas and feedback, the devs even ask us for our insight. These are just opinions and ideas from fellow gamers, relax.

Mangust747

BobzUrUncle wrote: »

Everyone has their idea of what Dwarfs look like. Intrepid has their own design ideas. Since they are making the game, let them use their idea.
Got $30-40 million? Make a game the way you want.

они не просто так у игроков спрашивают их мнение, и просят дать им новые идеи

Dygz

они не просто так у игроков спрашивают их мнение, и просят дать им новые идеи
"They ask the players for their opinion, and ask them to give them new ideas."

Mangust747

Dygz wrote: »

они не просто так у игроков спрашивают их мнение, и просят дать им новые идеи
"They ask the players for their opinion, and ask them to give them new ideas."

thx, my frend

StevenSchwort

Definitely! While watching some tests from the alpha the dwarven modells didn’t really appeal to me as well.
However I know everyone has another point of view.

Shergrim

Gnimgor wrote: »

Also hoping they make the dwarves more stereotypical in appearance (or give us the option to do so using sliders). Fingers crossed for the voice acting, I was never a fan of the American accented dwarves on Dragon Age, a dwarf should definitely have the right accent!

hail grombrindal! i'd prefer the northern english accent of the dawi but i'm not too bothered by the voice , it's mostly the appearance for me