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Design is more important then people thinking their alt is some new person imo. You can rp as a new person easily by typing if you really wanted to do that. RP shouldn't dictate systems that influence combat within the game.
Sometimes I like to try out new class and race combos without people knowing it is me. Why should every alt made automatically be forced to join a guild?
Not understanding why player choice must be sacrificed.
You have a choice to be in a guild, and support the guild, the same choice to leave the guild. There is no choice being lost there. You can choose a guild to gain the perks in and meshes well with you. So you aren't losing out on choice.
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But your choice will have a lot more meaning on the guild that is right for you to join. Which is beneficial on both ends for the player and the guild.
Yes. It's a different account from a different pc. Why would you derail the thread? Ffs. If you cant understand the topic stay out of it.
Who said anything about your individual advantage? How can you ever examine an idea when this is your starting point?
The advantage is the health of the guild system.
Only thing you lose out is perks that different guilds that and not being able to try to get the best of all worlds on alts if you were allowed to be in them.
The main point for this is so you aren't limited by alts in a single guild people aren't like "this guilds doesn't work for me since my alts won't get the bonus and they have since there is no room for them". So guilds can grow, since both you will have commitments to each other and you aren't just a person in a guild that doesn't do anything to help it grow but try to leech perks.
Not everyone will think like that with smaller more casual guilds. Yes top tier guilds will only try to get the best and committed members. This helps the smaller guilds by having people that will stay with them and give them a fair chance atleast. Then smaller guild being more so like dead leaves full of a bunch of random alt characters that don't care about their guild. But they just take whatever they get since they don't have much choice. It just create more of overall importance on the guild you are apart of since you can only be in one. This isn't stopping you from doing whatever you want its just making a more lively guild system.
Collectivism over individuality never wins.
Why should players be forced to join a guild?
Why should Intrepid abandon a stated game play choice by forcing people into a guild?
As for your other comment reading comprehension and understanding are not really that hard.
Read the multi-box thread on the wiki and watch the videos. It is not about multiple games on multiple computers. It is about multiple games running at the same time on the same computer.
Alts are alts weather they are on the same account or a different one.
Lots of people run multiple accounts from one machine.
What would happen though is the owner of that alt can just relax with another group of people w/o worrying about constantly doing smth beneficial to the guild. And those who care about spying, can still do so.
In other words, you're limiting player choice while not providing any benefits with this change. What it would provide though is more toxicity in hardcore guilds. I can already see smth like "I see you have a crafting alt. Why are you not crafting stuff for free for the guild? Wtf man?!" or "I see you have a healer alt. Have you maxxed it out yet? We gonna need it for the next raid cause we already have enough of your main class. Go do it asap".
Red hearing argument, multiboxing is multiboxing. If you are spending money on another account to by pass systems that is you. That is not something most people do stop trying to use that in a argument, you aren't being smart. There is a reason why you can only be a citizen on more then one node which is good to hear, which means if you are buying a bunch of accounts to try to influence that it be a red flag to me
What you are saying sounds more like a guild people problem. Joining a guild that is of your play style is important, if its a bad guild I'd leave. If a guild expected me to do things 24/7 and didn't respect me just chilling I'd leave that guild but the guild id be running wouldn't have that issue. Its something that hangs more on leadership positions on helping people that need help or fixing issues and it is just part of the job. Be you are on the game or not people will bug you and there is no escaping it. So I don't see this as a valid point on needing to escape from people.
Of course not saying it will happen with guilds its just my view point on it. In BDO your character family was all in the same guild. Then playing lost ark being able to be in multiple guilds honestly i felt that was a issue, though the need for alts, limited guild space and no recruitment chat all didn't help the issue as well.
If you are in one guild there is much higher chance to be in their discord doing things with them, etc. Compared to being in multiple guilds. As well you get bonuses for being in a guild and smaller guilds get more higher perks. So if you can be in more guilds you have your alt run the guild after a certain point and you have selected groups join a smaller guild for more power while you run your main guild. So you are just trying to min max with multiple guilds.
Steven wants inter-guild drama, and a big part of that is rival guilds spying on each other.
This is something Steven wants to have happen, and so any restrictions at all that make it so a player can't do this simply wont happen.
Requiring all characters on an account would restrict the owner of that account from spying on a rival guild, and so is simply not going to happen.
That isn't true you can leave guild and spy on another guild, that is a red herring. You can talking to other people and get them to spy for you, leave guild and spy on them. All of that is possible while having a guild bound system.
I could use that wording in the same way where it would make spies seem more valid since they can only be in one guild and more easy to trick people. This person has been in our guild for a month and can only be in one guild so there is a much higher chance he isn't a spy.
Meaning that guilds being bound would lean better to the quote and this is the correct way to go.
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You would need a quote saying you can join multiple guilds with your alt characters and spy on them.
A red herring argument is one that is based on presenting unrelated information and related information at the same time, in order to distract from the related information.
There is no way you could consider my post a red herring, as it has nothing but related information contained within.
And also, Steven has said you shouldn't need to leave your guild in order to spy on another guild. So, there's that...
I think ideas like this generate great, thought-provoking conversations. Keep it up! ^_^
Why is that dismissed as "only"?
I dunno what "the best of all worlds" is intended to mean.
Players are limited if their alts don't want to be in the same guild.
Why would alts be doing nothing else for their disparate guilds except "leeching" perks??
That makes no sense.
Interesting perspective. I think it would benefit Intrepid if you only posted in this forum. I don't think it's helpful to Ashes if you're involved playing or commenting on other games, @George_Black
Sarcasm? Not original. What would benefit Intrepids development? "This idea will not suit me so I dont see ANY advantages."
Posts like these?
Multiple game clients running from the same pc is bannable. No need for any discussion or mentioning it.
Uh huh. Well, feel free to list the mutual advantages anytime.
Rly? Have you not read what ppl "listed" so far? We are on the second page. What have you been doing besides saying "I dont see any advantage for ME" ?
The only things I have seen listed are all things that Intrepid intend.
Do you have any thoughts on some unintended consequences?
Yep, not seeing a mutual benefit for the player and the guild. It’s your argument to make… so it’s fine if you just want to spit in the wind. 🤷♂️
We’ll just get the guild system as it stands.
I believe that if players want to spy on other guilds they can just leave their real guild, take their account elsewhere and do their spying. And come back later.
I believe that if people want to play alts without socializing they should just say "Im doing something by myself today so I wont be available". It's not a big deal.
The proposed design helps guilds with their available spots. If the account is tied to the guild, a member can swap from a high to a low character, from a tank to a dps, from whatever the need is, without worrying about not having room, about coming to the activity with a non guild character, potentially missing out on contributing or receiving and guild points.
I dont understand this selfish behaviour. What do you think guilds are? Armor skins that complement your mood? "I wanna be able to play in many guilds". I dont get it.
Anyways. None of this affects me on a personal level. Not one bit. Ill take my common sense and get out of this topic. Arguing against selfishness isnt hard anyway. I said all I had.
Crow you still want mutual benefits. When it comes to social structures the individual sacrifices. It doesnt expect benefits. I said it on the first post. Why should there be a personal advantage?