Talking about Mounting before Combat, during Combat and after Combat.

You should be able to mount in combat, though if you get hit it should reset the bar so you can't just summon a mount int he middle of being hit. Also there should be effective skills for knocking people off mounts as well.

Theko

There should be chances to get away when you are ambushed ... but there should be counter mechanics as well.

Things like that should use environmental positioning, timing and reflexes ...

We still have yet to see mounts become separate entities to the character as well. Id like to see summoning a mount take some time. A few seconds at least. And i would like it to be interruptable. Seeing as the mounts shoukd eventually become their own entity and stay around without the player riding them, and help you fight as well. Unless im wrong, they should stay around after being summoned until dismissed or killed, not just because you get off of them.

Azherae

I don't want mounts to take long to summon.

I don't want mounting to take long explicitly.

I want 'Quick Mount' or 'Leaping Mount' to be a mount skill for those who wish to have an 'Escape Based' response to sudden PvP challenges.

And maybe some other skills too for when a mount 'detects a Combatant near it' when summoned in Open World. Alert Owner, Flee Towards Owner, etc.

I think it would be more interesting to be able to use your Mount as an alarm system for potential threats if you are taking the risk of having it summoned in the Open World to begin with.

Azherae wrote: »

I don't want mounts to take long to summon.

I don't want mounting to take long explicitly.

I want 'Quick Mount' or 'Leaping Mount' to be a mount skill for those who wish to have an 'Escape Based' response to sudden PvP challenges.

And maybe some other skills too for when a mount 'detects a Combatant near it' when summoned in Open World. Alert Owner, Flee Towards Owner, etc.

I think it would be more interesting to be able to use your Mount as an alarm system for potential threats if you are taking the risk of having it summoned in the Open World to begin with.

As its currently described in the wiki, your mount will be summoned near you, not with you on it. And you will need to mount it. Mounting is described as a quick and easy action. So i mean. I dont think time involved in summoning the mount is a big deal if its a 2 step system. Summon, then mount. I just dont think escape should be a simple one button action.

Then it moves on to mount specialization. If you want a fast mount for escaping, its probably weaker/not as useful in combat.

A group trying to attack someone would probably have members with combat specific mounts, a few individuals with "chaser" mounts to stop people from fleeing.

I mean... the way it worked in Alpha One...
We summoned the mount near us and then auto-mounted.
It's not really one-button, in any case, because it's still a second button to actually move. You don't just start speeding away simply because you summoned your mount.

Of course, there will be mount specializations due to Animal Husbandry and Combat Mounts.

I agree its something that should be a few buttons, pressing W isn't really a extra button it is just you moving forward.. Flow of combat wouldn't be good if you simply summon your mount quickly and move forward. People will just do that mid fight to evade a bunch of attacks and combat will feel more of a mount game then your actual character. Not to mention mount skills you have and being able to spawn and use it in the middle of a fight. It should be like 5 seconds ish before you are on your mount and using it.

Pressing W is literally a second button if you are going to escape.
1 button to mount will not have you escaping. You will just be staying where you are until you hit a 2nd button.
So, escape by summoning a mount cannot be a 1-button action, in any case.

Mounting does not cause you to evade a bunch of attacks. You still have to do something after you mount.
And you might choose to use your mount's attacks.
Flow of combat will depend on what people actually choose to do.
Some players might prefer mounted combat.

Dygz wrote: »

Pressing W is literally a second button if you are going to escape.
1 button to mount will not have you escaping. You will just be staying where you are until you hit a 2nd button.
So, escape by summoning a mount cannot be a 1-button action, in any case.

Mounting does not cause you to evade a bunch of attacks. You still have to do something after you mount.
And you might choose to use your mount's attacks.
Flow of combat will depend on what people actually choose to do.
Some players might prefer mounted combat.

You are really exaggerating the time it takes to press W....

Preferring mounted combat and balancing so it doesn't ruin the flow of the game are two different things. I don't think they are putting effort into all the classes to make mounted combat better then everything else and 0 time frame to instantly get on a mount. Pretty sure you want that more to just run away though if you are going to say 5 seconds is too much.

How the hell am I exaggrating TIME??
I didn't say anything about time.
I said that W is literally a 2nd button when it comes to summoning a mount and escaping.
If you hit 1 button to summon a mount, you have to hit a 2nd button to escape.
Summoning a mount does not immediately cause you to escape anything.

LMAO
Now you are trying to move the goalpoast from flow of combat to flow of game.
Mounted combat is part of the flow of the game. Whatever else that will be.
An opponent hopping onto a mount does not interrupt the combat flow of the attacker(s).
Fleeing might interrupt the combat flow of the attacker(s). That's true whether the opponent runs away on foot or runs away on a mount.
Opponents might also prefer to use the attacks of their combat mounts. No point in having combat mounts if they aren't going to be useful.

And, yeah, if I'm going to use a mount to run away from combat as a Non-Combatant... I shouldn't need to wait 5 seconds.
If you want to add a 5 second delay for Combatants to escape after hopping on a mount... I'm not necessarily against that, but... I think PvPers will complain that it gives too much advantage for Non-Combatants to escape.

Dygz wrote: »

How the hell am I exaggrating TIME??
I didn't say anything about time.
I said that W is literally a 2nd button when it comes to summoning a mount and escaping.
If you hit 1 button to summon a mount, you have to hit a 2nd button to escape.
Summoning a mount does not immediately cause you to escape anything.

LMAO
Now you are trying to move the goalpoast from flow of combat to flow of game.
Mounted combat is part of the flow of the game. Whatever else that will be.
An opponent hopping onto a mount does not interrupt the combat flow of the attacker(s).
Fleeing might interrupt the combat flow of the attacker(s). That's true whether the opponent runs away on foot or runs away on a mount.
Opponents might also prefer to use the attacks of their combat mounts. No point in having combat mounts if they aren't going to be useful.

And, yeah, if I'm going to use a mount to run away from combat as a Non-Combatant... I shouldn't need to wait 5 seconds.
If you want to add a 5 second delay for Combatants to escape after hopping on a mount... I'm not necessarily against that, but... I think PvPers will complain that it gives too much advantage for Non-Combatants to escape.

What are you talking about, why are you talking about irrelevant things everyone fully understands summon a amount and its speed gets you out of combat. You think people don't know you need to press movement keys to move, what the hell does that have to do with time frame of people talking about getting on a mount. If anything if the mount of a jump or speed skill you hit that button and instantly get away from an attacker.

No if I'm saying flow of game I'm talking about in context to the combat which is still flow of combat. Yes you should need to wait for 5 seconds and not be able to jump on mount in one second in the middle of combat and run away that is utter nonsense. Then combat is you jump on amount anytime someone is doing something tot run away and then attack and rinse and repeat.

Pretty much our of your own selfishness to want to run away from pvp you want to support bad mechanics that can add terrible metas for PvP combat. No pvper is going to complain when you can interrupt them from getting on the mount or choose to get on your own mount as well.

Dygz wrote: »

I mean... the way it worked in Alpha One...
We summoned the mount near us and then auto-mounted.
It's not really one-button, in any case, because it's still a second button to actually move. You don't just start speeding away simply because you summoned your mount.

Of course, there will be mount specializations due to Animal Husbandry and Combat Mounts.

This is the quote im focusing on when i say its not a single button escape.

Mag7spy wrote: »

What are you talking about, why are you talking about irrelevant things everyone fully understands summon a amount and its speed gets you out of combat. You think people don't know you need to press movement keys to move, what the hell does that have to do with time frame of people talking about getting on a mount. If anything if the mount of a jump or speed skill you hit that button and instantly get away from an attacker.

I understand that it is difficult for you to follow the flow of conversations, so I will spell it out for you...again:

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

I dont think time involved in summoning the mount is a big deal if its a 2 step system. Summon, then mount. I just dont think escape should be a simple one button action.

Dygz wrote: »

It's not really one-button, in any case, because it's still a second button to actually move. You don't just start speeding away simply because you summoned your mount.

Mag7spy wrote: »

Pressing W isn't really a extra button it is just you moving forward..

Dygz wrote: »

Pressing W is literally a second button if you are going to escape.
1 button to mount will not have you escaping. You will just be staying where you are until you hit a 2nd button.
So, escape by summoning a mount cannot be a 1-button action, in any case.

Mag7spy wrote: »

You are really exaggerating the time it takes to press W....

Show me where I said anything about TIME.
All I said is that summoning a mount and escaping is not a 1-button action. You have to, at least, press a 2nd button to escape.
How can that be an exaggeration of anything? What am I exaggerating??

Warth

I'm against in-combat mounting overall. However, i'm fine with it if mounting takes a considerable amount of time mid-combat and every source of damage cancels out the attempt.

Makes it Risk vs. Reward. You think you can get it done? Good for you. You don't get it done? You just wasted 1-3 sec doing nothing.

Im not really against or for it.... i think it needs to be tested. If every fight starts with every party member summoning all their mounts every time, it could be.... weird. At the very least. Need to see exactly where mounts fit in combat.

Mag7spy wrote: »

If I'm saying flow of game I'm talking about in context to the combat which is still flow of combat. Yes you should need to wait for 5 seconds and not be able to jump on mount in one second in the middle of combat and run away that is utter nonsense. Then combat is you jump on amount anytime someone is doing something to run away and then attack and rinse and repeat.

Just because you think flow of combat is synonymous with flow of the game does not make it so.
The game is not only about combat.
Escaping from combat is part of the flow of the game. Breaking the flow of combat is also part of the flow of the game.

Again, who says that hopping on a mount means that you only do so to escape?
People will hop on a mount in order to engage in mounted combat.

I've already said several times that I'm not against giving Combatants a 5 second delay for fleeing once they've summoned a mount. But, I believe PvPers will perceive that to be unfair, compared to Non-Combatants who have no delay.

Mag7spy wrote: »

Pretty much our of your own selfishness to want to run away from pvp you want to support bad mechanics that can add terrible metas for PvP combat. No pvper is going to complain when you can interrupt them from getting on the mount or choose to get on your own mount as well.

LMFAO
Of course, I am looking at the issue from the PvE perspective first.
If I summon a mount to escape mobs I don't want to fight, why should there be a 5 second delay? 5 second delay for that is absurd. And, yes, the same is true for Non-Combatants avoiding PvP combat. That's part of Ashes being a PvX game.
If you wish to mitigate a Non-Combatant fleeing via a mount, you always have the option of initiating PvP from your combat mount.
But, sure, if you wish to put a delay for Combatants to flee after summoning a mount - as part of the risk of flagging - I'm probably OK with that. I don't know that PvPers will be OK with that...
But, like I said, if they think it's too much of an advantage for Non-Combatants to flee, they can just initiate PvP from a combat mount and then the delay effectively won't exist for them either.

Dygz wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

What are you talking about, why are you talking about irrelevant things everyone fully understands summon a amount and its speed gets you out of combat. You think people don't know you need to press movement keys to move, what the hell does that have to do with time frame of people talking about getting on a mount. If anything if the mount of a jump or speed skill you hit that button and instantly get away from an attacker.

I understand that it is difficult for you to follow the flow of conversations, so I will spell it out for you...again:

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

I dont think time involved in summoning the mount is a big deal if its a 2 step system. Summon, then mount. I just dont think escape should be a simple one button action.

Dygz wrote: »

It's not really one-button, in any case, because it's still a second button to actually move. You don't just start speeding away simply because you summoned your mount.

Mag7spy wrote: »

Pressing W isn't really a extra button it is just you moving forward..

Dygz wrote: »

Pressing W is literally a second button if you are going to escape.
1 button to mount will not have you escaping. You will just be staying where you are until you hit a 2nd button.
So, escape by summoning a mount cannot be a 1-button action, in any case.

Mag7spy wrote: »

You are really exaggerating the time it takes to press W....

Show me where I said anything about TIME.
All I said is that summoning a mount and escaping is not a 1-button action. You have to, at least, press a 2nd button to escape.
How can that be an exaggeration of anything? What am I exaggerating??

So you are saying you need to press WASD to move, ok...

@dygz @Mag7spy

Can we keep the pointless arguing with mag7spy, on the argue with mag7spy thread please?