Glorious Alpha Two Testers!
Alpha Two Realms are now unlocked for Phase II testing!
For our initial launch, testing will begin on Friday, December 20, 2024, at 10 AM Pacific and continue uninterrupted until Monday, January 6, 2025, at 10 AM Pacific. After January 6th, we’ll transition to a schedule of five-day-per-week access for the remainder of Phase II.
You can download the game launcher here and we encourage you to join us on our for the most up to date testing news.
Alpha Two Realms are now unlocked for Phase II testing!
For our initial launch, testing will begin on Friday, December 20, 2024, at 10 AM Pacific and continue uninterrupted until Monday, January 6, 2025, at 10 AM Pacific. After January 6th, we’ll transition to a schedule of five-day-per-week access for the remainder of Phase II.
You can download the game launcher here and we encourage you to join us on our for the most up to date testing news.
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The point here is that I am trying to keep this discussion going. You are trying to kill this discussion.
I am trying to keep it going because I have absolute confidence in my position here (as I said). I've thought this through in depth, well before these forums ever existed.
The reason you are trying to kill this discussion is clearly because you are not as confident in your position as you perhaps were a few pages back.
As to asking you questions you have already answered, this is all just a part of discussion. Sometimes, if the answer to a question is in a large post, and isn't specifically denoted as being an answer to that question by quoting said question, it can be missed. The use of screenshots of posts in this thread as has been happening in this thread is just asinine on a forum, just as an aside.
This is ESPECIALLY true if there is an inherent misunderstanding on the part of one party (such as you potentially misunderstanding the description of the mage abilities you bought in to the discussion), which is a part of the reason as to why those misunderstandings need to be cleared up.
So, I'm going to go right back to the point I am at again.
You claimed I said that an ability that reduces damage is the same as an ability that deals damage. I do not believe I have ever said that anywhere, let alone in this thread. If you believe this is something I said, by all means quote me where you think I said that, so at the very least I can clear up what was intended to be said.
This is how discussion continues. Ideas are shared, misunderstandings are cleared up.
Cool, that was a typo.
Since we were talking about an effect that reduces magical mitigation, that is what I was talking about there.
This is why I asked for this to be pointed out, so it could be clarified.
That is why the quote function exists.
Using a screenshot to quote someone is literally spending more time for a worse result. It is significantly harder to read, ESPECIALLY on mobile.
For me it was pretty clear from the very first page of this thread that "Niem having a good-faith discussion." was an impossibility.
Aren't we all sinners?
There is a chance that they just never used forums in the past, which is why they barely ever use the quote function (what is even a function though
The thing is, since the forum has a time stamp for both posts and the last edit, anyone is able to see if a post is edited after it is quoted.
So, quoting using screenshots shows not only distrust, but also a lack of understanding.
Your point about them potentially having never used a forum is possible.
You are not the person NiKr was talking about when he said "the person who understands more".
The biggest responsibility you have in a discussion is to assist in clear communication.
Taking screenshots and using them as quotes rather than using the quote function is a barrier to clear communication.
Don't do it.
I was talking about Niem. The context was this:
- Niem knew what they were talking about
- Someone else (in this case Noaani) said smth that went against that knowledge
- Niem pointed out that what Noaani said was wrong
- Noaani disregarded/missed/ignored that point
At this point Niem knows more than Noaani, because they've already pointed out the mistake. But instead of just pointing back towards the already pointed out mistake (in this case the screenshot), Niem just started arguing about Noaani's perceived bad-faith discussion tactics.In other words, instead of pointing out the obvious factual points the discussion goes back to finger pointing and vague arguments about random perceptions. In this particular case Niem had the facts and could've used them for their own argument.
As soon as I pointed them out to Noaani, this point was cleared up to be a mistake. This could've been done as soon as Noaani claimed to have never said that thing.
That is the conclusion I've come to after these past several days of discussions. If others disagree with my conclusion - I'd be glad to get a different pov.
If you completely disagree with that conclusion and you haven't been treating our comments as personal attacks - do explain why you don't want to reexplain smth to someone who might've missed your previous points, forgot them or misinterpreted them. If it is just laziness or "they can do it themselves, why should I do it?" - that's a valid point, but is also the reason why almost every dialogue with you ends up in confusion or misunderstanding.
Right from the start you were obviously not interested in a good faith discussion (well, before the end of the first page of this thread).
In fact, this is the second time the conversation in this thread has turned to your unwillingness to actually have a discussion. The actual honest answer to this is "everyone in said discussion".
Being clear in communication is on each person. Answering reasonable questions when asked is on each person.
Again, as soon as NiKr answered the question that I asked you at least three times, the matter was settled in literally the next post.
That is how discussion between people acting in good faith works.
Plot twist: Niem is a mole sent by the mods to foster cooperation and consensus within the community.
Too soon.
That wasnt a personal attack.
It was absolutely an attack on holding a specific position, but it was also outlining that position in a clear manner so you could understand the position you were seeking to be placing yourself in. You were essentially saying that to you, a third of the healers in a long standing MMO were not actually healers.
That is a stupid position to get yourself in to. The players called them healers, the developers called them healers. Who are you to say they are not?
If you want to read that and not reconsider that position, perhaps asking if the mechanic at hand works differently that you assumed - instead basically just thinking "well, I guess that makes me stupid" - that's kind of not my fault.
I called that position stupid, not you.
I take back my "good for you!" comment from the above.
However, if you look at that first picture, you will note that if you only read the three words you have deceptively boxed out, it may well appear as if it is an attack on you. However, since English is a language where you can easily take things out of context if you ignore the words before of after a carefully selected few, we can examine things further than just your cute little box.
If you look at that sentence as a whole, it is abundantly clear that I am talking about the position I outlined above. The notion of saying that a third of the healer classes in a long standing MMO are not in fact healers does indeed make you look stupid.
That is an attack on that position.
Just the words "you look stupid" with no other context could well be considered a personal attack. However, removing context is deceptive and manipulative.
You can tell it was a mistake on my part because no one talked about an ability that reduced damage before or after that one post. I even asked for you to show me where I said it so that it could be cleared up - the fact that you didnt (or at least didnt properly) is on you, not me. You not using the quote function when you want to quote someone is a massive problem. The quote function is much easier to read, and also provides a link to take people to that exact post in the thread (or in another thread, if you are quoting across threads). This takes people to the EXACT point where the comment in question was made, allowing for easier examination of the context in which the post was made.
A screenshot takes that post out of context, and makes it harder to reintroduce said context. One could argue that it is purposefully manipulative. It is certainly manipulative, the only question is as to whether it is purposeful - one could argue that a person unaware of the link function inherent in quotes is not purposeful in that manipulation, and instead is manipulating accidentally.
There is no good reason to use a screenshot instead of the quote function, and if there is a miscommunication due to you doing that, it is on you.
Again, I asked for you to show me where I said the thing you thought I said that I did not think I said (because I was aware that a typo was a possibility), you failed to do that in an acceptable manner. Nike did it in an acceptable manner and it was fixed immediately.
But sure, blame it on me instead of on your unwillingness to use proper communication on these forums. I'm not saying this one was a misunderstanding. I am fairly sure you understood perfectly well.
Rather, I am saying you are purposefully, deceptively manipulating my words out of context here.
Quote properly.
Edit, it's actually 1.8mm, give or take 0.05.
Either way, I'm not reading it.
Never seen someone try to hard to say a class is bad before it was developed. And side track every possible way instead of making a positive discussion on what he would want to see the class be like.
This is equal to picking up a steak at the grocery store and someone yelling "its raw"