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PVP Flagging system wont work because of one single issue

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  • Mag7spyMag7spy Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 2023
    @NiKr Why you falling for bait we just got fresh content from a stream! Guy made an account the same day just to troll.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZfqaW5klpg
  • SongcallerSongcaller Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I'm still confused by what the single issue is, because, a lot of issues have been discussed and debunked.
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  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    Mag7spy wrote: »
    Why you falling for bait we just got fresh content from a stream! Guy made an account the same day just to troll.
    Boi, I've been discussing that shit for the past 4 days :D Probably posted more hate for the new system than anyone else here.

    Also, it's only natural to munch on some bait, when it looks tasty :)
  • SathragoSathrago Member
    Neurath wrote: »
    I'm still confused by what the single issue is, because, a lot of issues have been discussed and debunked.

    The issue is that OP got bored and needed something to do for the last few hours.
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  • LynexiaLynexia Member
    Sathrago wrote: »
    Neurath wrote: »
    I'm still confused by what the single issue is, because, a lot of issues have been discussed and debunked.

    The issue is that OP got bored and needed something to do for the last few hours.

    you are right about the boredom but my concerns are real. AoC is gonna tank and it makes me sad
  • LinikerLiniker Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Lynexia wrote: »
    Well I hate to say it but the game you're so looking forward to will die soon after launch.

    Thanks for the warning, appreciate, here's FF14 website go enjoy yourself there forget about this dead game https://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/
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  • LynexiaLynexia Member
    Liniker wrote: »
    Lynexia wrote: »
    Well I hate to say it but the game you're so looking forward to will die soon after launch.

    Thanks for the warning, appreciate, here's FF14 website go enjoy yourself there forget about this dead game https://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/

    final fantasy is terrible and an ugly game.
  • LynexiaLynexia Member
    Liniker wrote: »
    Lynexia wrote: »
    Well I hate to say it but the game you're so looking forward to will die soon after launch.

    Thanks for the warning, appreciate, here's FF14 website go enjoy yourself there forget about this dead game https://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/

    ESO or WOW on the other hand... You know MMOs that have the formula correct..
  • George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Go play them
  • Mag7spyMag7spy Member, Alpha Two
    Lynexia wrote: »
    Liniker wrote: »
    Lynexia wrote: »
    Well I hate to say it but the game you're so looking forward to will die soon after launch.

    Thanks for the warning, appreciate, here's FF14 website go enjoy yourself there forget about this dead game https://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/

    ESO or WOW on the other hand... You know MMOs that have the formula correct..

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZfqaW5klpg
  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    Mag7spy wrote: »
    Lol
    This example only works to his favor, cause he can link BDO and uno reverse the lol onto you.
  • Mag7spyMag7spy Member, Alpha Two
    NiKr wrote: »
    Mag7spy wrote: »
    Lol
    This example only works to his favor, cause he can link BDO and uno reverse the lol onto you.

    I'd link BDO myself, its not a good game. All mmorpgs are trash right now. The only reason why old ones aren't dead is cause there is nothing new and good to play so its a meme on him saying people are playing them.

    In fact they removed more pvp out of BDO and player base is still leaving/not growing.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZfqaW5klpg
  • LynexiaLynexia Member
    Mag7spy wrote: »
    Lynexia wrote: »
    Liniker wrote: »
    Lynexia wrote: »
    Well I hate to say it but the game you're so looking forward to will die soon after launch.

    Thanks for the warning, appreciate, here's FF14 website go enjoy yourself there forget about this dead game https://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/

    ESO or WOW on the other hand... You know MMOs that have the formula correct..

    Lol r37qbmbl9qj4.png

    Yeah that's cute. Except the bulk of ESOs players don't use steam. ESO has about 250k average concurrent users and is actively release new content regularly. As far as MMOs go it's actually not that good due to horizontal progression But people play it for the stories. If it had more vertical progression is would be significantly more popular.

    which compared to a more popular PVP title like Albion online which can't even hit 50k concurrent even with dedicated asian servers. But thankfully it's a pretty low budget game so it doesn't need to do record numbers.

    And the other example Lineage 2 doesn't even crack 10k.

    I think it's safe to say that games where pvp isn't mandatory are just better games, and the consumers have proven this many many times. Player happiness stays higher for longer when they don't lose their stuff to murder hobos which are an unavoidable consequence of any open pvp no matter what restrictions you pretend will stop them
  • LynexiaLynexia Member
    Mag7spy wrote: »
    NiKr wrote: »
    Mag7spy wrote: »
    Lol
    This example only works to his favor, cause he can link BDO and uno reverse the lol onto you.

    I'd link BDO myself, its not a good game. All mmorpgs are trash right now. The only reason why old ones aren't dead is cause there is nothing new and good to play so its a meme on him saying people are playing them.

    In fact they removed more pvp out of BDO and player base is still leaving/not growing.

    If you think all current MMOs are trash maybe it's just not the genre for you? There are plenty of fun MMOs no matter what your play style is..
  • George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Why did you stop playing wow and eso?
  • Mag7spyMag7spy Member, Alpha Two
    Lynexia wrote: »
    Mag7spy wrote: »
    Lynexia wrote: »
    Liniker wrote: »
    Lynexia wrote: »
    Well I hate to say it but the game you're so looking forward to will die soon after launch.

    Thanks for the warning, appreciate, here's FF14 website go enjoy yourself there forget about this dead game https://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/

    ESO or WOW on the other hand... You know MMOs that have the formula correct..

    Lol r37qbmbl9qj4.png

    Yeah that's cute. Except the bulk of ESOs players don't use steam. ESO has about 250k average concurrent users and is actively release new content regularly. As far as MMOs go it's actually not that good due to horizontal progression But people play it for the stories. If it had more vertical progression is would be significantly more popular.

    which compared to a more popular PVP title like Albion online which can't even hit 50k concurrent even with dedicated asian servers. But thankfully it's a pretty low budget game so it doesn't need to do record numbers.

    And the other example Lineage 2 doesn't even crack 10k.

    I think it's safe to say that games where pvp isn't mandatory are just better games, and the consumers have proven this many many times. Player happiness stays higher for longer when they don't lose their stuff to murder hobos which are an unavoidable consequence of any open pvp no matter what restrictions you pretend will stop them

    You clearly can't read information no one is jumping on the game and not growing. You like to make up numbers I see.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZfqaW5klpg
  • Mag7spyMag7spy Member, Alpha Two
    Lynexia wrote: »
    Mag7spy wrote: »
    NiKr wrote: »
    Mag7spy wrote: »
    Lol
    This example only works to his favor, cause he can link BDO and uno reverse the lol onto you.

    I'd link BDO myself, its not a good game. All mmorpgs are trash right now. The only reason why old ones aren't dead is cause there is nothing new and good to play so its a meme on him saying people are playing them.

    In fact they removed more pvp out of BDO and player base is still leaving/not growing.

    If you think all current MMOs are trash maybe it's just not the genre for you? There are plenty of fun MMOs no matter what your play style is..

    This statement doesn't make sense with your current points. The genre is not in a good state.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZfqaW5klpg
  • KilionKilion Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 2023
    Lynexia wrote: »
    Multiple characters.
    You could in theory have the dishonor be account bound but then people will just have 2 accounts.
    People will just have a character that is perma red just to gank whoever they want.... It will completely nullify the entire dishonor system... The game will be dead in 6 months without the ability to completely toggle off all PVP.

    Tell me you did not read anything in the Wiki without telling me you did not read the Wiki.

    Lynexia wrote: »
    Steven Sharif, as far as I've been able to see has literally never even released a video game. That alone has been enough for me to not buy into this game yet. I highly doubt this will go anywhere if he doesn't listen to real feedback

    And of course only people who agree that PvP has to be opt in only are those giving "real feedback". Talking about a "not a REAL Scotsman" argument XD
    The answer is probably >>> HERE <<<
  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    Guess we no longer believe self-reported numbers :)
    https://albiononline.com/news/albion-player-record

    And even just official russian L2 servers float around 30k on average.
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    And majority of L2 players play on private ones, because those servers have pvp rules closer to what Ashes is inspired by.
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  • Mag7spyMag7spy Member, Alpha Two
    @Lynexia Why you on the forums making up lies when your feelings get hurt when people post actual factual information?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZfqaW5klpg
  • Mag7spyMag7spy Member, Alpha Two
    Even BDO does better

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZfqaW5klpg
  • HartassenHartassen Member, Alpha Two
    Oh look, another player who has never fully read the corruption system wiki page and therefore does not understand it.
  • SathragoSathrago Member
    edited November 2023
    There are plenty of ways to play ashes of creation without engaging in pvp. Here, ill list them to you.

    -Don't buy the game.
    -Don't download the game.
    -Don't log in.
    -Die to pve mobs and stay on the death screen eternally.
    - Are you still reading?
    - But seriously go play another game instead with features you like.
    - ???
    - Profit (mostly for us)
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  • LynexiaLynexia Member
    Mag7spy wrote: »
    Even BDO does better

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    lol cute, 99% of eso players don't launch through steam kekw
  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    Lynexia wrote: »
    russian people don't count.
    Quite the hot take. Especially considering that they're not the only ones playing on those servers. But they are simply an example of L2 having more people than "not even 10k". There's multiple full eu servers, which is already more than 10k.

    And both L2 and Albion are niche gameplay wise, because one is isometric and the other is 20 years old with rooted combat. Ashes would attract and keep way more people than either of those games.
  • Raven016Raven016 Member
    Lynexia wrote: »
    Liniker wrote: »
    Lynexia wrote: »
    Without a PVP toggle the game wont be profitable.. Nobody will be playing it at max a year after launch. Not a chance.

    just don't worry about it, you won't be playing anyways,

    surely you are right and games like EVE online with its 20 years of lifespan being a successful game with full loot and forced pvp isn't a thing

    I think Ashes of creation devs are aiming a little higher than 1,000 - 3,000 concurrent players after spending millions on development lol.

    I was worried about this too but now that I seen the last few streams, I think players who fear of being ganked will have things to do and ways to enjoy the game without being ganked.
    Only PvEers full of pride who want to show they can defeat the strongest bosses will lose it. Those kind of players are not good for the environment of Vera, as citizens.
  • SongcallerSongcaller Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited November 2023
    NiKr wrote: »
    Lynexia wrote: »
    russian people don't count.
    Quite the hot take. Especially considering that they're not the only ones playing on those servers. But they are simply an example of L2 having more people than "not even 10k". There's multiple full eu servers, which is already more than 10k.

    And both L2 and Albion are niche gameplay wise, because one is isometric and the other is 20 years old with rooted combat. Ashes would attract and keep way more people than either of those games.

    Albion uses a coloured system in territories too. Its not even full on pvp 24/7. Blue zones are safe, yellow zones you have to toggle pvp, red zones like yellow zones with no restrictions and black zones are full on pvp. I don't see the correlation to why Albion would mean Ashes will be niche.
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  • Enigmatic SageEnigmatic Sage Member
    PvP demographic is generally more niche than PvE demographic across many genre's and especially mmorpg's.
  • SongcallerSongcaller Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Enigmatic Sage wrote: »
    PvP demographic is generally more niche than PvE demographic across many genre's and especially mmorpg's.

    My point is she wants a pvp toggle which hasn't boosted albion also nw has a toggle and no one toggles for pvp until max level now after scaling in pvp was removed.
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