PVP Flagging system wont work because of one single issue

Multiple characters.
You could in theory have the dishonor be account bound but then people will just have 2 accounts.
People will just have a character that is perma red just to gank whoever they want.... It will completely nullify the entire dishonor system... The game will be dead in 6 months without the ability to completely toggle off all PVP.

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Mag7spy

@Lynexia Why you on the forums making up lies when your feelings get hurt when people post actual factual information?

Mag7spy

Even BDO does better

Mastru

Oh look, another player who has never fully read the corruption system wiki page and therefore does not understand it.

Sathrago

There are plenty of ways to play ashes of creation without engaging in pvp. Here, ill list them to you.

-Don't buy the game.
-Don't download the game.
-Don't log in.
-Die to pve mobs and stay on the death screen eternally.
- Are you still reading?
- But seriously go play another game instead with features you like.
- ???
- Profit (mostly for us)

Lynexia

Mag7spy wrote: »

Even BDO does better

lol cute, 99% of eso players don't launch through steam kekw

Ludullu

Lynexia wrote: »

russian people don't count.

Quite the hot take. Especially considering that they're not the only ones playing on those servers. But they are simply an example of L2 having more people than "not even 10k". There's multiple full eu servers, which is already more than 10k.

And both L2 and Albion are niche gameplay wise, because one is isometric and the other is 20 years old with rooted combat. Ashes would attract and keep way more people than either of those games.

Raven016

Lynexia wrote: »

Liniker wrote: »

Lynexia wrote: »

Without a PVP toggle the game wont be profitable.. Nobody will be playing it at max a year after launch. Not a chance.

just don't worry about it, you won't be playing anyways,

surely you are right and games like EVE online with its 20 years of lifespan being a successful game with full loot and forced pvp isn't a thing

I think Ashes of creation devs are aiming a little higher than 1,000 - 3,000 concurrent players after spending millions on development lol.

I was worried about this too but now that I seen the last few streams, I think players who fear of being ganked will have things to do and ways to enjoy the game without being ganked.
Only PvEers full of pride who want to show they can defeat the strongest bosses will lose it. Those kind of players are not good for the environment of Vera, as citizens.

Songcaller

NiKr wrote: »

Lynexia wrote: »

russian people don't count.

Quite the hot take. Especially considering that they're not the only ones playing on those servers. But they are simply an example of L2 having more people than "not even 10k". There's multiple full eu servers, which is already more than 10k.

And both L2 and Albion are niche gameplay wise, because one is isometric and the other is 20 years old with rooted combat. Ashes would attract and keep way more people than either of those games.

Albion uses a coloured system in territories too. Its not even full on pvp 24/7. Blue zones are safe, yellow zones you have to toggle pvp, red zones like yellow zones with no restrictions and black zones are full on pvp. I don't see the correlation to why Albion would mean Ashes will be niche.

Enigmatic Sage

PvP demographic is generally more niche than PvE demographic across many genre's and especially mmorpg's.

Songcaller

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

PvP demographic is generally more niche than PvE demographic across many genre's and especially mmorpg's.

My point is she wants a pvp toggle which hasn't boosted albion also nw has a toggle and no one toggles for pvp until max level now after scaling in pvp was removed.

Enigmatic Sage

Neurath wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

PvP demographic is generally more niche than PvE demographic across many genre's and especially mmorpg's.

My point is she wants a pvp toggle which hasn't boosted albion also nw has a toggle and no one toggles for pvp until max level now after scaling in pvp was removed.

it seems to be a trend. I usually dont waste my time on PvP in games with toggles or PvE games with PvP features. Who would want to play a PvE game for its PvP... especially when they killed off the pvp dynamic by making it an option lol

Marcet

Lynexia wrote: »

Multiple characters.
You could in theory have the dishonor be account bound but then people will just have 2 accounts.
People will just have a character that is perma red just to gank whoever they want.... It will completely nullify the entire dishonor system... The game will be dead in 6 months without the ability to completely toggle off all PVP.

The fact that you won't play the game means it works as intended

Ruerik

Hasnt this point been addressed over the many years of development? I think, you should take 30 seconds of your life to look at the wiki, before blasting the forums with uninformed opinions.

The only way ganking will work to be worth it risk vs reward wise, is for gankers to run around in a squad. To much chance if someone goes to gank alone that the solo ganker will just die. This is a game where pvp is a part of life, everyone will be competent enough to fight back, the ganker wont risk the 50-50 chance of losing the 1v1. The only assured way to win is with numbers.

All of the people in the party of gankers will have to deal with corruption equally now. Its not split corruption, they all get it.

Corrupted players are LITERALLY screwed when they go red.
Can't go in towns,
Cant trade with others. (So they cant have their friends kill them and give them their gear back)
Corrupted players locations are REVEALED on the world map to bounty hunters. They cant hide.
Corrupted players can't even use their personal storage, so no running home to deposit items.
You die, you drop stuff.
Your stats against other players start taking a stacking negative penalty.
Your penalty from death is much more as red player than normal.

Basically, when you go red, you are a NPC. All you can do is fight other NPC or other players, the rest of the game is hostile to you. Intrepid want populated servers, all of these penalties will be tuned more or less to discourage random pvp for no reason.

Liniker

we really need to stop feeding these trolls this is probably an alt account of one of the regulars in the PvP topic 🤦🏻‍♂️ account made 2 days ago,

really hope some shiny new pve MMO comes out soon to keem them busy,

Ludullu

Taerrik wrote: »

All of the people in the party of gankers will have to deal with corruption equally now. Its not split corruption, they all get it.

Ruerik

NiKr wrote: »

Taerrik wrote: »

All of the people in the party of gankers will have to deal with corruption equally now. Its not split corruption, they all get it.

Trying to find the quote.
But in essence, it was.
If one person ganks one person, that person gets 100 corruption. (arbitrary number for example)

If two people gank one person, they both get 100 corruption, not 50 each. They all get it, its not split.

So, everyone in the party is punished equally for ganking.

Mag7spy

Lynexia wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Even BDO does better

lol cute, 99% of eso players don't launch through steam kekw

No they don't lmao. Love you are making up numbers guess ill do the same 99.9% of people on BDO play on launcher ;o. Seems like more people play on a pvp mmo with bad pve over ESO ^_-

Ludullu

Taerrik wrote: »

Trying to find the quote.
But in essence, it was.
If one person ganks one person, that person gets 100 corruption. (arbitrary number for example)

If two people gank one person, they both get 100 corruption, not 50 each. They all get it, its not split.

So, everyone in the party is punished equally for ganking.

Go find it, because I'm 99% this is not true right now.

Noaani

Lynexia wrote: »

Sathrago wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

I'm still confused by what the single issue is, because, a lot of issues have been discussed and debunked.

The issue is that OP got bored and needed something to do for the last few hours.

you are right about the boredom but my concerns are real. AoC is gonna tank and it makes me sad

It is going to, after a year, perhaps 18 months.

That isn't because of the corruption system though. The games PvP is what will make it quite popular at release.

Ruerik

Gave up looking for things, dont like rewatching stuff for too long either.

But in essence, it just means if I run around with 20 people, I can gank 20 people and only get the same corruption as in the case if I was alone and ganked 1 person,

Which is not intended, I should get the corruption equivalent for if I killed 20 people. Which is what I was stating is how it works.

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