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Call it second wind and make the vfx smoke or mist billowing off their body or something. same mechanical effect, no blood. This is just an example, im sure theres a better way to describe this i just cant do it myself.
Anyway this isn't my stance, I like the blood.
I think OP is making the case that fighters shouldn't have self heal of any kind regardless of how it's presented.
I see. well thats just stupid. I dont know what kind of games they are playing where fighters have no self heal. Dnd has it, World of Warcraft has it as two very prominent examples. I cant remember every fighter from every game but those should be good enough.
Rift has it, there was certain elements of healing NWO on warrior as well from attacks.
Rift really did have some of the most fun classes I've seen in an MMO
Yup im hoping AoC gives me a bit of the same vibe one of the reason why the classes interested me. Not being the usual kind of same base classes every game has and a bit more interest in them. Though need to see how augments change things lol.
blood healing for a warrior is ironically the copy pasta for every fighter arch type. a fighter utilizing his or her own skills and abilities with a blade is what is abnormal, new, and fresh.
So, Self-Heal seems fine for them as long as it's not via siphoning Blood from the opponent(s).
Nah, it's the healing. Though Ocean then says Which contradicts the question in the OP, so I feel like there's some internal confusion going on.
oooooh! you misunderstand the original question. comprehension issues, that's ok. the MMO community are they, that I was asking the question to, who are not the MMO developers. MMO developers one day thought blood healing for the warrior archtypes was most likely simple to do and implemented. The question is asking us the community, us the players, when did we come to agree with the developers that this was a good idea or cool and didn't break class fantasy? Good try, you almost did it. Almost.
So your question has already been answered by default. The mmo community agreed with that fantasy as soon as it appeared. And has been agreeing with it ever since. Because if people didn't agree with it en masse, devs would stop making it.
Blood Fusion is one out of dozens abilities. A singular ability prevents you from enjoying an entire archetype? That sounds like a you problem, rather than a design problem.
The top answer was from ealier in the topic. It's the self healing of any kind that is not liked.
The issue is that all of their responses talk about blood magic so it obscures the original intent of the post.
What is being debated is whether or not fighters should be allowed to self heal.
I have nothing against the lifesteal. For me it's the volume of blood and the sound effects that go with it. No one has that much blood in their body. It's excessive and a turn off. I hope fighters keep the lifesteal. My hope is they tone down the effects or add a toggle.
I actually agree with this. Conan Exiles just had an update where blood sprays everywhere as you fight things (even more than it used to) and it just makes the game feel disgusting after an hour or two. I know some people are into it, but I'm not.
Like i said before he is wiling to say anything that sticks or makes you agree with him even if its about different points. Its not about the skills or how they work. He just doesn't like how warriors are for his rp fantasy.
The solution again make a build around not using that skill. Consider your 8 man team comp, etc, use augments.
Though he has multiple solutions it doesn't matter he will argue about the one skill still and ignore that. He is looking for people that will say he is right and make other arguments for him.
I think you just identified my opinion. yes.
I also don't think that an entire community agrees with the mmorpg developers as much as they fall into habit and go unchallenged. I am here to challenge it.
And as someone who hasn't played a blood fighter - I'm here to challenge your challenge
Well then I have a different question.
Where would you like this option to be presented to the 'Blood fueled Warriors' out there?
Of the eight Archetypes that Ashes offers, or even of the 64 classes, where do you want them to go for their 'blood fix'? We know that they exist. What do you want those players to do?
If Clerics can also do some melee, there should be no surprise that Fighters can also do some healing.
If Mages can do some melee combat, there should be no surprise that Fighters can do some magic combat.
Especially in a High Magic Fantasy setting.
I think the bigger fubar for most Ashes fans is the very concept of the Tank Primary Archetype.
I think OcenaSunWind wants to play some other genre of MMO than RPG, because block, parry, side step are Player Skills; not Character Skills.
And RPGs should be more focused on Character Skills than Player Skills.
Love that play style. Its where heart MMO EQ1 first started for me. I think allot of old school gamers will flock here. It's new in the areas that matter and old school in the same way.
It seems like summoner is the reason the mage archetype is capable of becoming a Warlock who are known for blood magics. So why not have a warrior / summoner (BladeCaller) use siphoning blood spells with their sword. the blood spilt from the slashes done to the enemy magically transfuse through osmosis into health for the Bladecaller. Sacrificial magic is something i can see a Summoner do. Blood, spirits, and hex's could be given to the Fighter.
Do we lack imagination in the way that we can't simply press the key to activate the skill block to block and the next incoming attack, or press the key with dodge on it to side step the next incoming magic missle or arrow or sword swing? I don't get how you don't get how these ideas could be applied. League of Legends has these interactions with characters like Fiora, Jax, etc.. these mechanics could be implemented into an mmorpg to make a fighter archetype a true fighter. a true sword master.
You're describing full action combat which is not what they are going for. If a fighter can just dodge on coming attacks then other classes are required to aim all attacts and tab targeting is simply eliminated.
Its not a lack of imagination, it a choice to not have that style of gameplay in an mmo. If I want action combat I'll play Elden Ring, I'm not interested in that play style in an mmo setting and I'm not alone.
yeah, you lack vision. it's ok. that's ok. Having a button to dodge the next incoming attack doesn't mean or even imply that aiming mechanics are required. sad
Thats not livesteal tho that feels more like something a tank should have if anything. Vampiric warrior is great. You cut up your enemys, drink their blood heal yourself kill the next enemy etc. I love that they have that as an option instead of forcing ppl into playing your standard weapon master warrior. But they also dont force you into using those skills and you can build a regular warrior instead. This should be the case with all classes.
The main thing you have to understand is it hurts your personal warrior class fantasy. Other ppl for example me have exactly that class fantasy in mind and thats why the option they went with is great. You can build into a classic warrior or a bloodheal "vampiric" warrior(its literally not alot of blood selfheal spells, its not like the whole kit is bloodmagic). They dont force one or the other on us but let us decide and thats great.
As a member of the 'Blood Fueled Warriors' club myself, I would say they have to put it on either warrior or rogue and make it an augment type just like fire or shock for the mage. That way, it can be applied for all classes, just like all classes can add a fire or shock theme to them by choosing those augment types from the mage secondary class. I really want to play a blood mage, but you can't put it on mage since it's only a niche mage fantasy compared to a fire mage or an ice mage, and the mage already has 4 augment types. Putting it on the warrior is probably a good solution as it fits the class and gives the warrior an interesting augment type.