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Steven said initially "average level characters" and corrected himself and used the "same level characters".
That means character level is not important.
Average gear score is the important reference because that might be the most used even if players will have better gear.
If weapons attack bonus will grow faster with tier level than armor, that will make the TTK lower and battles faster for higher skilled players. Which is ok for the resource sink. The more they die the faster they switch back to average gear. Or they will spend more time farming epic resources in this game where scarcity is a feature.
But why you assume the TTK for lower quality gear to be faster?
The diagram for TTK doesn't need to be a Bell curve.
(Edit: I just noticed that the bell curve is meant to represent the distribution of tiers across population)
I think it will be a stair, with lower TTK when both players have poor gear and then increases as they transition to uncommon, rare, heroic, epic ...
If the TTK would increase, it would cause problems because would mean armor score grows faster than weapons. So special NPCs would require epic gear and players with rare gear would have no chance.
Now the question is what tier you think the "average" Steven used indicate, when you look at tier levels:
- Poor.[6]
- Common.[7][8]
- Uncommon.[7][9]
- Rare.[7][10]
- Heroic.[7][11]
- Epic.[7][12]
- Legendary.[7][13]
- Artifact.[7]
Common, because I expect it to be truly common and rare things to be truly rare.
I expect Artifacts to be singular, Legends to be maybe around a dozen in quantity, Epic maybe a few dozen, Heroic ~100, Rare - a few hundred, Uncommon - ~1-3k, Common to be a dozen thousands, Poors - literally everywhere.
All of that being shared amongst the 50k accounts on every server. And considering that those accounts will have alts - I except majority of characters to have poor-common gear.
Also, this is in the context of gear lvls as well, so some people might be wearing slightly OEd lvl45 gear of Rare quality which might be on par with base lvl Uncommon lvl50. Or smth like that.
With great ability to decern the primary targets in pvp, then a short TTK was quite acceptable.
AoC will not likely have that clarity. With mutliple armors, and cosmetic skins, there will need to be a need to be activity in pvp to first determine what class you are facing and thereby what strategy to use.
There is also no current plans for quick teleport to town or clan hall.. Hence, run (if you can) or fight (if you can ) or be killed choices. L2, there was there instant port to town to fall backon should a fight go the wrong way or you are jumped. AoC not.
For these main reasons, I think there must be a little more time in TTK.
Poor people will be poor in a world of commoners.
Role playing a beggar will be easy.
People will have bigger problems than TTK
Be honest dude, you made your name to sound like that. You find it funny or whatever.
Im danish, and I got it right away
WHEN SOMEONE " DOESN'T - FIGHT BACK " - You shouldn't "NEED" - a tiny ETERNITY to kill him/her.
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✓ Kinda starting to look for a Guild right now. (German)
It's the characters that are fighting, though, and that will always factor, in this type of game.
If I build enough evasion (to the point of giving up any other sensible thing), I generally 'should' be able to double the time it takes for you to kill me even if I do nothing at all, because that's the type of game Ashes is.
What if you build evasion and have active block and have some self sustain can you more than double it ;o
The self-sustain would need to be completely automatic, technically so would the active block.
Remember kids, my character is never just standing there. Dodging, weaving, making people tired.
If you didn't miss with at least 30% MP-worth of skills that you threw at me, I didn't have enough Evasion yet.
On paper all the stat stuff does excite me, but i really need to play it myself to fully believe it. I get to many wild ideas thinking on armor types, and all the different stats with dnd rpg vibes. Its too good to be true v.v, as it gives me the old school mmo vibe.
Yea, obviously, I hate a race, because I can see you making fun with a word. That makes 100% sense, just not sure on what planet.
You have evasion for everything but there is magic, physical and special evasion, dmg reduction as well. Though generally your evasion comes from your armour (whcih effects all kinds of attacks) + special evasion crystals and such. But im sure there is more things they added since i quit.
and thought "NiKr, that's a nice short nickname that's directly related to what I love". So I started using it.
That's it.
@Vaknar dunno when you'll read this (hopefully after Saab does), but I'd like you to delete this entire off-topic convo, cause it has derailed the thread far enough.
You cannot use your Evasion stat against damaging magical spells in FF11, but you can use elemental defenses against the element of the spell to drastically reduce the damage, which is something that does not exist in BDO (BDO has no actual elemental damage or defenses of any kind, last I played, all spell 'elements' are just for flavor entirely, like many Modern Style direct combat games).
There is a common way to evade single target magical spells of all kinds in FFXI, but AoE spells ignore it (and dispel it), and it's specific to Ninjas (the other version, available to more mages, is a coinflip basically.
Basically any Evasion stuff I discuss is about the simpler styled Modern games, in which one can use it in the way it's used in BDO. Games that combine 'accessibility' (lower depth) with Evasion build options are the thing where I get to make people 'waste energy' like that.
It'll fly because that will hardly ever be the case. My guess is that there will be very very little open world PvP aside from Caravans and the Open Ocean.
And the PvP that will exist aside from those things will often times just be a grief kill, in which case people will really enjoy a high TTK.
Okay, so that being said, because most PvP will be done with several people(Caravans and OO), the actual TTK will be much less. Honestly I think 60 sec is too little, it should be more like 1.5 to 2 minutes accounting for potions, self heals, stuns, ect.
Which will not just actually encourage coordinated strikes(they're usually advantageous, not incentivized), but give people time to try and run if they do get a coordinated strike on them, or healed up instead of literally group one shot by a few people attacking simultaneously.
FFS Paladins, a high speed, competitive(formerly e-sports), and relatively simple(in relative comparison to an MMO) game still had longer TTK than 30 seconds often times. But it feels like 10 seconds, because time flies when you're having fun.
2 min ttk what did i just read?
I keep telling people there is going to be a lot of pvp in this game. They really need to drive that home in the next showcase so peoples perceptions will be fixed. I feel we are getting more and more pvers that have never played a pvx / pvp mmorpg with the rule sets.
Corruption is not meant to offer much pvp, it is suppose to be very minimal for a reason. Main pvp will come from node / guilds wars and other elements. If you have an idea there won't be much pvp because of corruption you are ignoring all other OWpvp systems in the game.
I ... ... knooow ? ^.^;"
If someone heals himself up or so, of Course it takes longer for someone else to kill his Character.
✓ Occasional Roleplayer
✓ Kinda starting to look for a Guild right now. (German)
That's not what I'm talking about though? I really do mean just the Evasion stat, or any 'automatic stance that triggers after taking a certain amount of damage'.
We were talking at the start of this thread about the fact that a really high evasion build in BDO vs someone without enough Accuracy could go stop moving to go AFK, get sneaked up on, and still not die before the person got back (that's not what actually happens in BDO exactly because there is a thing that will automatically use a small healing item for you, but that item is used once every 2-6 seconds depending on some factors)
there is going to be a lot of open world PVP, especially for farming spots and bosses.
On top of that, this game will have active defense abilities for all classes. I hope that will include i-frames during dodge (although we have not seen that yet) as well as parry/block.
i-frames in particular are good for avoiding being focused down, giving you a 0.5 to 1.0 second immunity to damage, allowing for heals/blocking/positioning/etc. They just need to be a limited option
10-15 seconds is a long time, when your PvPing 1v1. It feels like a long time to me too. But 1-2 secs or within a stunlock, thats to quick. But there is probably ways to get it higher or lower, when the game comes out and you figure out specs. Also, you can hide behind objects in this game too.
Character would be a healer, more of a decoy.
Or a Tank, whose abilities are mostly certainly not going to be very statistic heavy, because the Evasion is the required mitigation.
The character really doesn't need to reach 'not be hit' though, in Ashes. Since so much damage comes from skills, if skills can be evaded, the character only needs to 'soak up a lot of enemy Mana', which is just a matter of getting enough Evasion for RNG to take care of the rest, and knowing which enemy specced for Accuracy.
I actually don't think people realize how long that actually is.
Also, assuming this means 10-15s without much input and just standing there getting wailed on, in reality, it will be longer.
If TTK is too long as well, it feels a bit like a slog.