Battlepass in MMOs

State your opinion, I'll start with mine

They're dumb they are meant for repetitive games like shooters, they give you something to do in a games that are arena pvp weather it be a MOBA or Shooter. MMOs are supposed to keep you busy. adding chores on top of that for things I should just be able to work for tends to leave a bad taste in mouth.

Also the monetization of it is kind of dumb as well. FFXIV and WoW have raked in large amounts of money just doing cosmetics on the shop, do that without the predatory fear of missing out.

One other argument for me was when I was playing NW I wanted to support the game, I bought up dyes and emotes and spent more money on that game then I have any other game as far as cosmetics, I supported it because it was simple and clean way for them to make extra money. I stopped giving them my money after they started doing the battlepass. It even made me not care about collecting all the emotes anymore. It wasn't even to protest, I just stopped caring.

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Azherae

I understand battlepasses under a specific condition.

When the Devs want to hold some 'event' that will lose 'narrative' relevance after a bit, but they want the players to just play the game normally in order to participate in that event. I.e. that they don't have time to make specific content for the event.

Similar to a BDO monthly-type event.

Different games call this different things. But then the battlepass 'version', if you can swap between them, allows players to go back and spend more time doing 'normal' content to get specific rewards, while also giving them the option to just skip it.

So event of 'Tame Horses because Event Reasons! Get reward!' is fun and immersive for the Event, but you can always tame horses. They didn't FOMO you by making 'special Event only Horses'. So in the end, to me it's just implementation. Battlepass, Event, Community Goal, I don't really care what it's called. If it is 'do common content X amount of times to get some reward you signed up for', it's okay.

I'd prefer this to be woven throughout the game in Ashes specifically because of what Ashes is, but for basically all other MMORPGs, I'm fine with this implementation. And for Ashes, I only care because it risks some homogenization of experience that I think isn't so great. (in Elite, for example, at least you have to all go to the same place to do a Community goal, and the difference in experience is where you COME from).

Dygz

Nerror wrote: »

We have a subscription model. All content and events should fall under that.
If the game is bad enough that they need to go F2P in the future at some point, well, that's obviously bad, but that is also when they can consider a battlepass IMO.

The current plan is sub + paid Cosmetics market.

Abarat

If Intrepid needs a battle pass to keep us interested, they have failed.

Dygz

Intrepid already failed by missing the "Before 2020" date.

Azherae

Dygz wrote: »

Intrepid already failed by missing the "Before 2020" date.

Hmm... can I request that you work on your salt levels for a bit?

A lot of your recent stuff has been pretty unnecessary and is starting to reach the 'just tearing at the game for no real benefit to anyone'.

I'm not asking you to stop, just... maybe dial it back a bit?

Abarat

Dygz wrote: »

Intrepid already failed by missing the "Before 2020" date.

i am sorry you dont like the game. I am sure you can find a project or game that suits your "style".

Abarat

Dygz wrote: »

Intrepid already failed by missing the "Before 2020" date.

Intrepid... please stop pretending that Dygz is an Ashes content creator.

Dygz

Azherae wrote: »

I'm not asking you to stop, just... maybe dial it back a bit?

I do tit for tat. Don't start none; won't be none. It's a black thing. You might not understand. That's OK.

Intrepid knows and accepts that they failed to hit the "Before 2020" date.
Adding a Battlepass as a feature for a contemporary MMORPG released after 2022 is not much different than updating to UE5.
You can unnecessarily add more context than that if you wish.

Abarat wrote: »

i am sorry you dont like the game. I am sure you can find a project or game that suits your "style".

I like the game.
It's not perfect.
I acknowledge their failures as well as their successes.
"Before 2020" is a failure. That is a fact.
The Open Seas is not a failure. Adding it to the design is a success for the Target Audience.

Abarat

lol. there is lots of video evidence you DO NOT LIKE THE GAME. i am disappointed you have chosen to be dishonest. please do not force me to learn video editing.

Individuated Soul

Either battle pass or cosmetic shop. Not both. However, I hope AoC doesn't fall in the trap of making in game models worse to help sell the for money designs.

Edit: prefer neither.

Dygz

Abarat wrote: »

lol. there is lots of video evidence you DO NOT LIKE THE GAME. i am disappointed you have chosen to be dishonest. please do not force me to learn video editing.

Post some evidence that I do not like the GAME.
You have a lot to learn besides video editing.

Dygz

Individuated Soul wrote: »

Either battle pass or cosmetic shop. Not both. However, I hope AoC doesn't fall in the trap of making in game models worse to help sell the for money designs.

I'm expecting the Ashes Cosmetic shop to be in the form of a Battlepass.

Abarat

Dygz wrote: »

Abarat wrote: »

lol. there is lots of video evidence you DO NOT LIKE THE GAME. i am disappointed you have chosen to be dishonest. please do not force me to learn video editing.

Post some evidence that I do not like the GAME.
You have a lot to learn besides video editing.

it will take a bit. Incoming. i watch every Theory Forge episode. lol. hehe... cant wait. I will call it the "Dygz dislikes Ashes Anthology". currently planning on using the "You have a lot to learn besides video editing." post in it. (i have a screenshot, just in case.)

Quickly prepared background music.

https://suno.com/song/33cae59c-076a-4e6e-a0d9-f4ee061bae46

Laetitian

Actual footage of themepark/gachs/cosmetics-collector players encouraging begging daddy corporate to suck out their souls and feed them back a portion as a reward. Thoroughly brainwashed.

*Swallows dailies checklist* Yes, daddy, feed me more 'content'. Whatever would I do with my time if I didn't have daddy to hold my leash and buy me pretty dresses when I've been a good girl??

(I won't ever be able to make this statement free of stereotypes.
I just don't get what needs to have happened in someone's life that leads them to actively advocate for brainrot battlepass menus. I doubt it can be a good thing.)

Dygz

Abarat wrote: »

it will take a bit. Incoming. i watch every Theory Forge episode. lol. hehe... cant wait. I will call it the "Dygz dislikes Ashes Anthology". currently planning on using the "You have a lot to learn besides video editing." post in it. (i have a screenshot, just in case.)

I mean... you've been falsely proclaiming that I dislike Ashes for almost two years now.

Abarat

Dygz wrote: »

I mean... you've been falsely proclaiming that I dislike Ashes for almost two years now.

Let me know if i need more... check out around 57 seconds in. It is fun having you around though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_KiNcMhJA4

Finov

I'm willing to pay more for a subscription to avoid wasting time on these stupid quests with rewards from the battle pass. I will not play the game alone, but with my guild, which I have been playing with for a long time and there are a lot of us. I don't even want to hear about the battle pass in the discord who is at what level. I say again, if there is, it will only be the one who does not waste my time at all.

Mag7spy

Personally i see them doing a battle pass, unsure if it will be at launch though. The moment there is a market there isn't a whole lot of room to complain (unless the battle pass is p2w). There is no difference between having a battle pass and buying outfits, skins, emotes, etc..

It wouldn't be mandatory nor effect your progress int he game, if you don't like what it offers you just don't buy it. If you like what it offers its usually just a big discount on items rather than spending 100$.

Whole point is just so there is more to do for people or they have something to grind. If they battle passes don't make money from people not buying them then they won't do it. And will just push single outfits selling, or if they aren't making enough money on the game slow down content creation. ?

People should just be happy there is no p2w.

Dygz

Abarat wrote: »

Let me know if i need more... check out around 57 seconds in. It is fun having you around though.

Yes. You have to find something more than that.
If I disliked Ashes, I wouldn't even test the Alphas and Betas. And there would be no way to get me to explore Verra after launch.
And I would be saying that Ashes has an objectively shitty design.

Kinda reminds me of my grandma's "spaghetti". Spaghetti noodles with tomato paste and sugar.
I lived with my grandma while I went to college. I started cooking on my own on a frequent basis after college.
I could eat a couple platefuls of my grandma's "spaghetti". It was decent tasting pasta. But it wouldn't satisfy my craving for spaghetti.
Spaghetti would at least have to be on the level of my mom's which would include a bottle of Ragu sauce and some cooked ground beef.
During my starving artist summer in NYC, after college, I discovered spice shops and began incorporating freshly chopped or recently dried spices into my cooking.
My own spaghetti might also include some freshly chopped tomatoes, fresh basil and oregano and italian sausage along with ground beef. And then I'd also craft dishes with various forms of pasta besides just spaghetti.
After my mom tasted my spaghetti, she adjusted he recipe to become closer to mine.
I didn't dislike my grandma's "spaghetti" but I consider that to be pasta, rather than spaghetti.
And, if I had a choice of recipes, there's a bunch of others I'd prefer over hers.
If hers was the only "spaghetti" available, sure I would eat it. Because I don't dislike it.

Ludullu

Laetitian wrote: »

Actual footage of themepark/gacha/cosmetics-collector players encouraging begging daddy corporate to suck out their souls and feed them back a portion as a reward. Thoroughly brainwashed.

As probably the biggest gacha enjoyer on this forum, I'd prefer not to be bundled up in that group. I'm strictly opposed to BPs and just wants quests

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