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Bunny hopping

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  • George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    CROW3 wrote: »
    Curious to see how this tests in A2. I agree with the spirit of @George_Black’s point though. Bunny hopping and diving animations are annoying in aimed combat.

    In fps it's ok, it's a skill factor.
    My only issue is how ridiculous characters look when it's being spammed.
  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    edited June 2
    CROW3 wrote: »
    Liniker wrote: »
    jumping has no impact on gameplay, its just a habit, its fun, I think its weird to try forcing people play the way you think its "pretty"

    Not about being pretty at all. It's about attacks hitting your target. Same cheap dodges in FPS. I jump all the time in mmos, but I don't think incessantly jumping should prevent your 5s cast major class attack from doing any damage.

    I would have to see an example of that being the case. the only thing i can currently think of is basic shots from ranged weapons, and that might only be if projectiles work like you think they do. they could easily have a larger hit box for players or the projectiles that stop jumping from being an advantage save jumping off of high areas, and at that point the jump is irrelevant.
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  • GarrtokGarrtok Member, Alpha Two
    There is no reason to allow constant jumping. It's immersion breaking.
  • Mag7spyMag7spy Member, Alpha Two
    Some people here need to realize they are playing a game, then using the default you don't like something so you say "immersion breaking".

    If i can't spam jump like irl than its immersion breaking to me.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfSIqKSiguc
  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    Garrtok wrote: »
    There is no reason to allow constant jumping. It's immersion breaking.

    parkour, hurdle jumping, jumping jacks, they all called and want to know where you live that jumping is a strange concept.
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  • nanfoodlenanfoodle Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    My wife is disabled and bunny hopping bring her so much joy as that's how she would move in RL if she could. We often log in to just bunny hop when she is having a bad day. So, leave the bunny hopping. 😂🤗
  • LegiLegi Member, Alpha Two
    I think bunny hopping in combat should cost stamina or have any other downside. Else you wont see (m)any people using the action targeting. I mean we still have to play it, but that would be my take on it. Outside of combat I couldnt care less tbh.
  • DepravedDepraved Member, Alpha Two
    Legi wrote: »
    I think bunny hopping in combat should cost stamina or have any other downside. Else you wont see (m)any people using the action targeting. I mean we still have to play it, but that would be my take on it. Outside of combat I couldnt care less tbh.

    you can still hit people who bunny hop with action combat. the skills can just have a vertical (invisible if you want) hitbox instead of just horizontal
  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    Sathrago wrote: »
    CROW3 wrote: »
    Liniker wrote: »
    jumping has no impact on gameplay, its just a habit, its fun, I think its weird to try forcing people play the way you think its "pretty"

    Not about being pretty at all. It's about attacks hitting your target. Same cheap dodges in FPS. I jump all the time in mmos, but I don't think incessantly jumping should prevent your 5s cast major class attack from doing any damage.

    I would have to see an example of that being the case. the only thing i can currently think of is basic shots from ranged weapons, and that might only be if projectiles work like you think they do. they could easily have a larger hit box for players or the projectiles that stop jumping from being an advantage save jumping off of high areas, and at that point the jump is irrelevant.

    Agreed on both points.
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  • TheHiddenDaggerInnTheHiddenDaggerInn Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I won't lie, I'm not that much into immersion, but if I was watching some fool bounce around like we're in a FPS shooter in a MMO is silly, try to hop up in down in armor. I have grown used to it though, doesn't mean I have to like it.
  • VoeltzVoeltz Member
    Stamina cost for jumping and climbing
  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    I won't lie, I'm not that much into immersion, but if I was watching some fool bounce around like we're in a FPS shooter in a MMO is silly, try to hop up in down in armor. I have grown used to it though, doesn't mean I have to like it.

    I don't get this argument at all. plenty of mmos let you freely jump. its not that big of a deal. Adding an actual mechanic that can cause you to get stuck, die, or just flat out feel clunky all because some people dont like to see others jumping around having fun is... just lame.
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  • GarrtokGarrtok Member, Alpha Two
    Sathrago wrote: »
    Garrtok wrote: »
    There is no reason to allow constant jumping. It's immersion breaking.

    parkour, hurdle jumping, jumping jacks, they all called and want to know where you live that jumping is a strange concept.

    Yeah because you can do it unlimited and normally you see it everywhere in the city... You're right...
  • LineagerLineager Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Let's add a stamina cost to Jump and help keep the game prettier

    Do you want to remove the main endgame content?
  • Let's add a stamina cost to Jump and help keep the game prettier

    What if there is situations in the game, where you need to jump a lot of times in a row. Boss mechanic, Jumping at a barrier to shoot over it. A ton of jumping at a jumping puzzle.
  • SunboySunboy Member
    Risk vs Reward and what degree. Time will tell.

    Much love <3
  • hleVhleV Member
    edited June 3
    Mag7spy wrote: »
    If i can't spam jump like irl than its immersion breaking to me.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfSIqKSiguc
    No, no it's not, you're just trying to be funny.

    It's a popular opinion that senseless bunny hopping looks dumb. How is "it's fine because it's a game?" even an argument?

    Now I don't think jumping should have stamina penalty, but it should slow you down a bit. So you can jump here and there but it shouldn't be your go to "spam button for the lulz" while you're traveling longer distances (this includes jumping while mounted).
  • LegiLegi Member, Alpha Two
    Slowing you down doesnt make too much sense or? I mean especially for kiting this seems like a big minus. Like jumpshots or the like. Id rather have it cost some stamina in combat.
  • arkileoarkileo Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited June 3
    I don't personally see an issue with bunny hopping, not like it gives an actual advantage. If anything it's disadvantageous because it locks your direction of movement while you're in the air.

    I think you tend to see it while people are running straight because it acts as kind of a mental filler when you're not doing anything. It's kind of like unconscious humming, it's just something to fill your mental bandwidth at a time when you don't have anything else to do in spite of the stressful situation. Theoretically I think you could discourage people from bunny hopping by introducing something better they could be doing, rather than punishing it with a stamina cost.

    Making jumping cost stamina can be frustrating because it's limiting something that can be essential. Imagine getting stuck between two rocks and being unable to get out because your stamina is gone. Or imagine trying to do a jumping puzzle but being forced to stand still for seconds at a time while your stamina regens, doing nothing, humming, twiddling your thumbs.
  • hleVhleV Member
    edited June 3
    How does slowing down after jumping not make sense? Have you tried timing how long it takes to get from A to B while only running and while running AND jumping?

    And kiting? How about not jumping while you kite, unless you need to jump ON something, in which case you accept a few milliseconds of slow.

    It's all about bringing SOME penalty to mindless jumping, so that people wouldn't do it "just because", because it looks stupid and makes zero sense.
  • RuerikRuerik Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    The simplest way to keep combat feeling good and still allow jumping, is to simply have jumping cancel any attacks or casts including auto attacks. While jumping attacks against you auto-crit (your in the air, you can't reasonably argue that you could respond to anything happening mid fall), and you have a short quarter second delay after landing before you can attack and cast again. (After all, you must re-settle your balance before taking a swing)

    No reason to limit a player jumping around if they want, since in theory someone could hop around a battle all they want. However, jumping should be the least optimal as far as combat movement.
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  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    You know what, you guys are right. I now see the light. lets add stamina to running as well. Not sprinting, the little jog that all the characters do right now. So you are forced to walk if you do it for too long. I know the map is massive and has tons of z axis terrain to traverse but im sure adding stamina will be good for the game because "most players find it looks dumb".

    Im totally down for kneecapping my control over my character to save my eyes from the dreaded jogger zombies and bunny hoppers.
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  • ApokApok Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    depending on how well collision works, I wouldn't mind seeing stamina get used for jumping if you can dodge ground based attacks with a well timed jump.
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    hleV wrote: »
    It's a popular opinion that senseless bunny hopping looks dumb. How is "it's fine because it's a game?" even an argument?

    If so many people bunny-hop that it needs its own thread, then presumably it's also a popular opinion that bunny-hopping is fun.

    And "it's fine because it's a game" makes sense because games are meant to be fun!
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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited June 4
    hleV wrote: »
    How is "it's fine because it's a game?" even an argument?
    Because it's a game.
  • ZahieZahie Member
    No, leave the the jump alone. Let people bunny hop for free as much as they want.
  • PrinceMaslamaPrinceMaslama Member
    edited June 4
    Let people bunny hop as much as they want. HOWEVER, the reason why people do that in the first place is due to the lack of movement abilities. Every class needs a movement ability that they can weave inbetween skills, this will significantly reduce the use of bunny hopping and restricts it to certain instances.
  • hleVhleV Member
    edited June 4
    "It's fine because it's a game" is a cop-out since you can use it for anything.

    Bunnyhop slowdown is fine because it's a game.
    daveywavey wrote: »
    hleV wrote: »
    It's a popular opinion that senseless bunny hopping looks dumb. How is "it's fine because it's a game?" even an argument?

    If so many people bunny-hop that it needs its own thread, then presumably it's also a popular opinion that bunny-hopping is fun.

    And "it's fine because it's a game" makes sense because games are meant to be fun!
    Surely we can have features that are fun, aren't pointless and don't look dumb.
  • PrinceMaslamaPrinceMaslama Member
    edited June 4
    I do agree the excessive jumping that was showcased in the node war looked rather cartoonish, having the rangers wearing the wolf pelt made it seem like it was an army of bugs bunnies hopping all over the place. It contrasts poorly with the elegant animations of each class ability, its like having an excellent ballet performance but you decide to end by twerking in front of the audience.

    Luckily enough the solution is rather simple. Instead of having every class rely on hopping for movement you could instead provide each class with a movement ability that has a short cool down and is relevant to them. Much like Black Desert Online.

    I think the crowd that prefers the jump spam as the defacto movement skill for every class are still in the mindset of old MMOs. All the relatively new MMOs have incorporated seamless movement as part of their combat design philosophy and I'm sorry to say if people still have to resort to spamming the space button for movement I will be rather disappointed because I wont expect this from a 2028?2029?2030? MMO.
  • SummpwnerSummpwner Member, Alpha Two
    You have to pick your battles. If you care about immersion, remember that you are staring at a screen touching little buttons with your fingers. Honestly, it's not immersion breaking to see people being annoying as fuck. If anything, it'd be weird to play an online game where that wasn't ever-present.
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