mfckingjoker wrote: » I don't believe anybody that is here on these forums reading and writing posts wants this game to fail. Maybe some people are negative by nature
Ravicus wrote: » mfckingjoker wrote: » I don't believe anybody that is here on these forums reading and writing posts wants this game to fail. Maybe some people are negative by nature Most likely, but imagine if you where new and came here to check out the game. After reading these threads would you want to play it? After watching asmongold or narc? Sure does not paint a pretty picture.
Azherae wrote: » Ambivalent/don't care. When my friends and I jumped in to support this game, we saw some signs and made some assumptions about what type of game it was going to be. We're not the simplistic type that just go 'yeah! give us all the good things and none of the bad things!' because games don't work like that. They gotta make choices about implementation. And some of those choices will upset some people because they "weren't clear about the intentions from the start". So I care if Ashes succeeds for the sake of the devs and for the sake of all the people who want to play this very specific implementation, but I barely want to, and the way they handle things lately annoys me/us immensely. You gotta take into account the number of people who have been 'burned' by things Intrepid brought to the table later and just don't care anymore. Some of us still want to help, but that only goes so far.
Ravicus wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Ambivalent/don't care. When my friends and I jumped in to support this game, we saw some signs and made some assumptions about what type of game it was going to be. We're not the simplistic type that just go 'yeah! give us all the good things and none of the bad things!' because games don't work like that. They gotta make choices about implementation. And some of those choices will upset some people because they "weren't clear about the intentions from the start". So I care if Ashes succeeds for the sake of the devs and for the sake of all the people who want to play this very specific implementation, but I barely want to, and the way they handle things lately annoys me/us immensely. You gotta take into account the number of people who have been 'burned' by things Intrepid brought to the table later and just don't care anymore. Some of us still want to help, but that only goes so far. I just don't get the outrage. It does not make sense. I see a lot of half truths being tossed about and repeated that have people in an uproar, and some of those half truths are being pushed by new accounts created unbelievably on the day they make the posts lol. If people do not think that Intreped has not seen their posts by now there is something wrong. By continuing to beat that drum only drives players, new and old away from the game. I hope they know what they are doing.
Azherae wrote: » Ravicus wrote: » mfckingjoker wrote: » I don't believe anybody that is here on these forums reading and writing posts wants this game to fail. Maybe some people are negative by nature Most likely, but imagine if you where new and came here to check out the game. After reading these threads would you want to play it? After watching asmongold or narc? Sure does not paint a pretty picture. To expand on that a little, this is KIND of the point. Steven says 'Ashes won't be for everyone', but it was at least a bit unclear about who the 'not-everyone' were, for a bit. And Steven is/was generally pretty bad at giving any specifics about it, for many reasons which I, for one, can forgive him for. But Asmongold isn't trying to make people want to play Ashes, Asmongold is being an entertainer who also happens to try to 'help' others recognize if they don't actually want to play Ashes. There's no 'pretty picture' to paint.
Ravicus wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Ravicus wrote: » mfckingjoker wrote: » I don't believe anybody that is here on these forums reading and writing posts wants this game to fail. Maybe some people are negative by nature Most likely, but imagine if you where new and came here to check out the game. After reading these threads would you want to play it? After watching asmongold or narc? Sure does not paint a pretty picture. To expand on that a little, this is KIND of the point. Steven says 'Ashes won't be for everyone', but it was at least a bit unclear about who the 'not-everyone' were, for a bit. And Steven is/was generally pretty bad at giving any specifics about it, for many reasons which I, for one, can forgive him for. But Asmongold isn't trying to make people want to play Ashes, Asmongold is being an entertainer who also happens to try to 'help' others recognize if they don't actually want to play Ashes. There's no 'pretty picture' to paint. asmond has followers who blindly parrot what he says, and his followers are in the millions.
Azherae wrote: » Ravicus wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Ambivalent/don't care. When my friends and I jumped in to support this game, we saw some signs and made some assumptions about what type of game it was going to be. We're not the simplistic type that just go 'yeah! give us all the good things and none of the bad things!' because games don't work like that. They gotta make choices about implementation. And some of those choices will upset some people because they "weren't clear about the intentions from the start". So I care if Ashes succeeds for the sake of the devs and for the sake of all the people who want to play this very specific implementation, but I barely want to, and the way they handle things lately annoys me/us immensely. You gotta take into account the number of people who have been 'burned' by things Intrepid brought to the table later and just don't care anymore. Some of us still want to help, but that only goes so far. I just don't get the outrage. It does not make sense. I see a lot of half truths being tossed about and repeated that have people in an uproar, and some of those half truths are being pushed by new accounts created unbelievably on the day they make the posts lol. If people do not think that Intreped has not seen their posts by now there is something wrong. By continuing to beat that drum only drives players, new and old away from the game. I hope they know what they are doing. Oh, that's a different concern. The internet is full of people who want to talk first, and read after, so they come to make their posts even if the same thing has been 50% of the posts for two pages. Just gotta wait until it dies down. In a way, even your post is just going to sorta do the same. Let the fire burn out, the Phoenix will rise from the Ashes of it.
Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: » I complain EXACTLY BECAUSE I want them to succeed. I want them to be the best of the fucking industry. And this industry is full of utter shit (as is evident by the entire *waves hands around the calendar of past 2 years*), so I want Intrepid to not dive head first into that shit. I've been complaining about their info presentation for a few years now. And yet we're still getting, seemingly, rushed presentations with bad decisions in them that then lead to even worse overcorrections. My latest piece of feedback for this has been simple: get a testscreening team of NDA'd A1 people and make them watch every showcase beforehand and give their thoughts on what could be improved. And if for some reason this is not doable because presentations are made literally last second - THAT IS A PART OF THE GOD DAMN PROBLEM. If we're paying money to support the development - hire a second PR person who'd help Margaret with all these presentations. And if there's already a person like that - what the hell are they doing? Why are there typos in the slides? Why are the slides missing CRUCIAL information that leads to utter confusion of anyone who hasn't been able to watch a 2h stream (btw, it confuses people on the stream as well)? Why are the decisions so obviously bad that they have to be immediately fixed, that inevitably leads to overcorrections, when the issue would've been pointed out by any third-party person? As I've been saying for years now. Intrepid, do better.
mfckingjoker wrote: » Ravicus wrote: » mfckingjoker wrote: » I don't believe anybody that is here on these forums reading and writing posts wants this game to fail. Maybe some people are negative by nature Most likely, but imagine if you where new and came here to check out the game. After reading these threads would you want to play it? After watching asmongold or narc? Sure does not paint a pretty picture. Well it doesn't but that's some of the problems with open development. It is not a complete game with a clear image so that you either like it or not, so shit will happen.
Ravicus wrote: » how many times have you said this, and how many places have you said this. Do you think they possibly have seen it by now? I'm not saying what you feel is wrong. I feel it might be pushing people away from the game we look forward to. Are you trying to convince Intrepid, or chase people away. I think intrepid knows your point of view.
Ravicus wrote: » mfckingjoker wrote: » Ravicus wrote: » mfckingjoker wrote: » I don't believe anybody that is here on these forums reading and writing posts wants this game to fail. Maybe some people are negative by nature Most likely, but imagine if you where new and came here to check out the game. After reading these threads would you want to play it? After watching asmongold or narc? Sure does not paint a pretty picture. Well it doesn't but that's some of the problems with open development. It is not a complete game with a clear image so that you either like it or not, so shit will happen. yes, I hear that. I fully understand why people can get upset. Its just the repeated posts, threads dealing with same topic. People are fighting in multiple threads over the same thing hah. Like I mentioned above to Ludullu_(NiKr) who are people trying to convince? I think Intrepid has seen the feedback. So what is left besides getting everyone else upset also?
Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: » Ravicus wrote: » how many times have you said this, and how many places have you said this. Do you think they possibly have seen it by now? I'm not saying what you feel is wrong. I feel it might be pushing people away from the game we look forward to. Are you trying to convince Intrepid, or chase people away. I think intrepid knows your point of view. I'll keep saying this as long as Intrepid keep messing up. Steven's whole spiel is "this is open development cause we wanna listen to our audience and we want our audience to keep us in check". I'm doing that check. And I couldn't care less about those who get spooked by a few strong words aimed at the devs who're messing up. Because if those strong words lead to a good game - anyone who left will come back and enjoy said good game. We're called cultists and white knights every time we try to explain the complexities of Intrepid's development. Stopping our negative feedback would only embolden all the naysayers and haters, because they'll simply point to our overpositivity and yell "you see, Intrepid are doing a shitty thing, but all these fucker are happy about it! They're all simps for Steven and should not be listened to!" This is already happening, if you've seen a few vids/streams that try to defend Intrepid in the current drama.
Ravicus wrote: » I just don't get the outrage. It does not make sense. I see a lot of half truths being tossed about and repeated that have people in an uproar
CROW3 wrote: » Ravicus wrote: » I just don't get the outrage. It does not make sense. I see a lot of half truths being tossed about and repeated that have people in an uproar It's the internet in 2024? Give it a week.
