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Balance PVP and PVE for PVX please....

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  • Noaani wrote: »
    It should go without saying that when talkingg about game development in the context of an MMORPG, it is specifically about MMORPG game development. That shouldn't need to be stated, as it is implicit in the nature of the location of the discussion.

    However, if it was BG3 you are talkingg about, you're in luck - I know a few people... and I can say thay it was almost definately a case of the second of the two from my post above - assuming we are talking game design.

    The developers quite literally didn't look at suggestions from outside for that game, all they paid attention to was the feedback (see my post above about the difference between feedback and suggestions). However, with the amount of suggestions they did receive from various avenues, there is literally nothing that could have been added to the game that *someone* didn't suggest at some point.

    The only exception to this in BG3 was in regards to story writing - which is not within the perview of a game developer/designer, but rather that of writers. I do not personally know any game writers, so am not willing to get in to a discussion on how much or how little they take from the community, other than to state that it is more than game developers.

    As to wtf I'm talking about, I was answering questions you had.

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    You definitely another that got some serious issues in here as well
    Ludullu wrote: »
    Kallysha wrote: »
    Nobody cares what you want
    Yes, and we all know you want way less pvp than me :) It's been obvious through all of your posts.

    the same gif applies ^
    I can pull up a strong attitude yes! be aware 
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Kallysha wrote: »
    You definitely another that got some serious issues in here as well
    So I'm curious.

    I assume you work. I do not assume you have the level of education or experience that the average develoepr at Intrepid have, however, I assume you have some.

    If you are going about your day, doing your job that you know how to do, that you have experience in, if some random person walks in off the street and starts telling you how to do your job that you know perfectly well how to do, how are you going to react?

    That is what suggestions are. It is you thinking you can do the developers job better than they can, despite their experience and education on the matter.

    It really isn't me that has the issue between the two of us, my friend.
  • Noaani wrote: »
    So I'm curious.

    I assume you work. I do not assume you have the level of education or experience that the average develoepr at Intrepid have, however, I assume you have some.

    If you are going about your day, doing your job that you know how to do, that you have experience in, if some random person walks in off the street and starts telling you how to do your job that you know perfectly well how to do, how are you going to react?

    That is what suggestions are. It is you thinking you can do the developers job better than they can, despite their experience and education on the matter.

    It really isn't me that has the issue between the two of us, my friend.

    That is quite rich...btw hypocrite much?
    Again you are not as clever as you think you are, you do love to believe you are that is for sure, been very clear. You must have some sort of complex of 'being always right' a sense of superiority complex or narcissistic personality disorder. Trying once more putting words in my mouth, the gaslight is also very strong with this one

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    Kallysha wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    To your first point, players that dislike crafting can pay others to do it for them. It is not as if any one player will be able to make everything they want to use in game, so even those that are crafting will need other ceafters to make things for them.

    To your second point, sure, other games have done it - but tuat isn't a very ggood argument. When you say "other games" in the context of something that Intrepid have ststed their intent on, you are saying you think Ashes should change to be less like Ashes, and more like these "other games".

    If you want to use "other games do it" as a reason why Intrepid should do something, then you need to accept that same defense when other people make that same argument The problem is, those "other games" include games like WoW.

    Ashes is not trying to be other games - it is trying to be Ashes. One of the things is that means is that the cast majority of items (gear, consumables, mounts, ships etc) will be player made. Sure, "other games" that are not this game may have done this differently, but they are other games.
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    Here we are once again as the typical know it all aka im the one right in here and i know better.

    Yeeeeah... is like i havent played an mmo before, there was no crafting in there or anything.... [ while what i suggested still existed as well go figure]

    And in truth i come here to give feedback aka suggestions/ideas which that is exactly what feedback is for (imagine) not exactly to argue with individuals that clearly do not show to possess much of a brain...
    Also '... you are saying you think Ashes should change to be less like Ashes, and more like these "other games".' interesting that sentence inst it, is like i havent seen others do precisely that in here (smells like hypocrisy) besides correction i didnt you did.

    'Ashes is not trying to be other games' meanwhile having systems influenced by other mmos/games SUUURE

    Btw you still make a loooootta sense.



    There is much more...
    Kallysha wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Kallysha wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Hey, if you want to believe that it's a thing, and that it's being done to you, have at it. I can't in any way alter what you are imagining other people are doing.

    Just remember though, there is no such thing as gaslighting.

    gaslighting on the gaslight wew 😆enlighten me more pls

    Nothing to enlighten you on further. You think gaslighting is a thing, I am informing you that it is, in fact, not.

    You are indeed another comedian 😆

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    Noaani wrote: »
    Kallysha wrote: »
    btw you are not the brightest bulb around in here as you evidently consider yourself.
    I've never claimed to be.

    I am, however, brighter than you - which is a statement I don't make often. However, as you are someone that feels the need to resort to gif's for communication rather than words, I feel it is again, self evident.

    I get it you trying to stop people of giving feedback, but in the end you are irrelevant,
    I can pull up a strong attitude yes! be aware 
  • GardosienGardosien Member, Alpha Two
    Just put that Troll on ignore..
  • Gardosien wrote: »
    Just put that Troll on ignore..

    😁tbh i like to expose them
    I can pull up a strong attitude yes! be aware 
  • CawwCaww Member, Alpha Two
    Noaani wrote: »
    Kallysha wrote: »
    You definitely another that got some serious issues in here as well
    So I'm curious.

    I assume you work. I do not assume you have the level of education or experience that the average develoepr at Intrepid have, however, I assume you have some.

    If you are going about your day, doing your job that you know how to do, that you have experience in, if some random person walks in off the street and starts telling you how to do your job that you know perfectly well how to do, how are you going to react?

    That is what suggestions are. It is you thinking you can do the developers job better than they can, despite their experience and education on the matter.

    It really isn't me that has the issue between the two of us, my friend.

    Really?? Feeding Trolls?? You have much more game than that, just curious, are you really hoping to do something with this? (I do wish you good luck in your effort but seems like a complete waste of energy)
  • GardosienGardosien Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 7
    Noanni, has mental issues, this is his/her way of to get attention. JUST Hug or ignore imo
  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    Kallysha wrote: »
    That is quite rich...btw hypocrite much?
    Again you are not as clever as you think you are, you do love to believe you are that is for sure, been very clear. You must have some sort of complex of 'being always right' a sense of superiority complex or narcissistic personality disorder. Trying once more putting words in my mouth, the gaslight is also very strong with this one

    There is much more..

    I get it you trying to stop people of giving feedback, but in the end you are irrelevant,
    All of that, just to avoid answering a question :D
    Caww wrote: »
    Really?? Feeding Trolls?? You have much more game than that, just curious, are you really hoping to do something with this? (I do wish you good luck in your effort but seems like a complete waste of energy)
    What do we have left other than feeding the hungry and taking pity on them?
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited November 8
    Caww wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Kallysha wrote: »
    You definitely another that got some serious issues in here as well
    So I'm curious.

    I assume you work. I do not assume you have the level of education or experience that the average develoepr at Intrepid have, however, I assume you have some.

    If you are going about your day, doing your job that you know how to do, that you have experience in, if some random person walks in off the street and starts telling you how to do your job that you know perfectly well how to do, how are you going to react?

    That is what suggestions are. It is you thinking you can do the developers job better than they can, despite their experience and education on the matter.

    It really isn't me that has the issue between the two of us, my friend.

    Really?? Feeding Trolls?? You have much more game than that, just curious, are you really hoping to do something with this? (I do wish you good luck in your effort but seems like a complete waste of energy)

    I'm sure you've seen me making this argument in the past, it comes down to a societal lack of respect for expertise. It's a wider issue than just a handful of posters on an MMORPG forum.

    Lack of respect for the expertise of others is why - among other things - we have a flat earth society. These people do not respect the expertise of people that are actually experts on various subjects, and are unable to understand the evidence when those experts lay it out for them.

    Those people very much have a concept of "if I don't understand it, no one could".

    It's the same with people offering suggestions to experts. Such people have the perspective of "of course I know what I'm talking about", regardless of their level of understanding of the topic at hand.

    People here suggesting mechanics from faction based PvP games is as clear and obvious an example of this that I can imagine. It seems obvious that it would work to the uneducated, yet obvious that it won't work to the educated.

    As someone that has become an expert on two difference topics - to the point where local news outlets approach me for comment when there is a local story related to those topics - I will obviously always advocate for the value of expertise, and even moreso in relation to Ashes where some of those experts are friends of mine.

    The big issue Ashes has is that the person running the show is not an expert in anything. This does leave the whole company as giving off the appearance of a lack of expertise, despite the fact that Intrepid have one of the most stacked MMORPG development teams ever assembled.

    Fact is, if Steven had have hired Jeff in 2017, given him an outline for the game and told him to go and do it, and then left him to it, the game would have released 1 or 2 years ago.

    That delay is the result of one persons lack of expertise.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited November 8
    Kallysha wrote: »
    Gardosien wrote: »
    Just put that Troll on ignore..

    😁tbh i like to expose them

    I'm not sure what it is you think you are exposing.

    You keep asking questions, i keep answering them, and you keep ignoring those answers.

    All you are proving is that you have no expertise at all in anything, because gaining that level of ability or understanding in any field leaves people with a clear respect for the expertise of others.
  • KallyshaKallysha Member
    edited November 8
    Noaani wrote: »
    Caww wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Kallysha wrote: »
    You definitely another that got some serious issues in here as well
    So I'm curious.

    I assume you work. I do not assume you have the level of education or experience that the average develoepr at Intrepid have, however, I assume you have some.

    If you are going about your day, doing your job that you know how to do, that you have experience in, if some random person walks in off the street and starts telling you how to do your job that you know perfectly well how to do, how are you going to react?

    That is what suggestions are. It is you thinking you can do the developers job better than they can, despite their experience and education on the matter.

    It really isn't me that has the issue between the two of us, my friend.

    Really?? Feeding Trolls?? You have much more game than that, just curious, are you really hoping to do something with this? (I do wish you good luck in your effort but seems like a complete waste of energy)

    I'm sure you've seen me making this argument in the past, it comes down to a societal lack of respect for expertise. It's a wider issue than just a handful of posters on an MMORPG forum.

    Lack of respect for the expertise of others is why - among other things - we have a flat earth society. These people do not respect the expertise of people that are actually experts on various subjects, and are unable to understand the evidence when those experts lay it out for them.

    Those people very much have a concept of "if I don't understand it, no one could".

    It's the same with people offering suggestions to experts. Such people have the perspective of "of course I know what I'm talking about", regardless of their level of u derstanding of the topic at hand.

    People here suggesting mechanics from faction based PvP games is as clear and obvious an example of this that is can imagine. It seems obvious that it would work to the uneducated, yet obvious that it won't work to the educated.

    As someone that has become an expert on two difference topics - to the point where local news outlets approach me for comment when there is a local story related to those topics - I will obviously always advocate for the value of expertise, and even moreso in relation to Ashes where some of those experts are friends of mine.

    The big issue Ashes has is that the person running the show is not an expert in anything. This does leave the whole company as giving off the appearance of a lack of expertise, despite the fact that Intrepid have one of the most stacked MMORPG development teams ever assembled.

    Fact is, if Steven had have hired Jeff in 2017, given him an outline for the game and told him to go and do it, and then left him to it, the game would have released 1 or 2 years ago.

    welp there you go 😆 proving my point.
    Ludullu wrote: »
    Kallysha wrote: »
    That is quite rich...btw hypocrite much?
    Again you are not as clever as you think you are, you do love to believe you are that is for sure, been very clear. You must have some sort of complex of 'being always right' a sense of superiority complex or narcissistic personality disorder. Trying once more putting words in my mouth, the gaslight is also very strong with this one

    There is much more..

    I get it you trying to stop people of giving feedback, but in the end you are irrelevant,
    All of that, just to avoid answering a question :D
    Caww wrote: »
    Really?? Feeding Trolls?? You have much more game than that, just curious, are you really hoping to do something with this? (I do wish you good luck in your effort but seems like a complete waste of energy)
    What do we have left other than feeding the hungry and taking pity on them?

    There was even a question in there? Btw that coming from someone who avoided my questions...Also clearly doesnt look like we the ones trying to provide feedback are exactly the hungry ones in this equation...
    Noaani wrote: »
    Kallysha wrote: »
    Gardosien wrote: »
    Just put that Troll on ignore..

    😁tbh i like to expose them

    I'm not sure what it is you think you are exposing.

    You keep asking questions, i keep answering them, and you keep ignoring those answers.

    All you are proving is that you have no expertise at all in anything, because gaining that level of ability or understanding in any field leaves people with a clear respect for the expertise of others.

    Listen this is not my first rodeo 🤣 i've met people like you before... and sorry to tell you this but i dont find you smart in any way shape or form, you know why? Because you arent, and im sorry what exactly are you an expert of? Besides being obviously a nolifer in a forum/s, utterly useless, i've seen nothing insightful coming from any of you so.
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  • Noaani wrote: »

    If you are going about your day, doing your job that you know how to do, that you have experience in, if some random person walks in off the street and starts telling you how to do your job that you know perfectly well how to do, how are you going to react?

    Going back to ^ then, so you telling me if i find something is missing (which there is a lot missing as of so far) that could possibly be a plus (as been proven to be in other games already existing), i shouldnt suggest it becauseeee? (well clearly because you say so 🤣) According to your immaculate logic (not certain you can catch sarcasm tho, i feel like you cant) a suggestion inst partial feedback.

    read 🙃

    And yes i provide suggestions/ideas, exactly because i aint an expert at making/creating games, hence why, who would have thought, clearly not your bright brain (couldnt reach to that conclusion)
    I can pull up a strong attitude yes! be aware 
  • GardosienGardosien Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 8
    Kallysha feeding teh Trolls!
  • Gardosien wrote: »
    Kallysha feeding teh Trolls!

    🤣i mean what can i say they are indeed desperate, and well also the stream/content keeps getting delayed so
    I can pull up a strong attitude yes! be aware 
  • GardosienGardosien Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 8
    "The problem is corruption, Always has been always will be"
    The baseline problem is nonconsensual PVP, corruption is trying to stop that. Would just be a gankers dream without it atm.. Run around kill lowbies, and talk sh-t while doing it.. Already see these type of people all over the game, no need to feed them.. Not one of the will run around with their Flag on in sht gear looking for a fight.
    Why not just remove the whole dam system and open up more PVP areas, like whole zone with PVP related rewards.. If you do not want to PVP stay in PVE land and avoid Wars... If you do not want to massive PVE, stay in PVP land.. Win/Win..
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Kallysha wrote: »
    i've met people like you before... and sorry to tell you this but i dont find you smart in any way shape or form, you know why? Because you arent

    I've never claimed to be smart.

    I have claimed to be smarter than specific other people, perhaps, but claiming to be smart and claiming to be smarter than a beach ball are two very different things.

    As to what I am generally considered an expert in (at least on a local scale), that really doesn't matter.
    Kallysha wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »

    If you are going about your day, doing your job that you know how to do, that you have experience in, if some random person walks in off the street and starts telling you how to do your job that you know perfectly well how to do, how are you going to react?

    Going back to ^ then, so you telling me if i find something is missing (which there is a lot missing as of so far) that could possibly be a plus (as been proven to be in other games already existing), i shouldnt suggest it becauseeee? (well clearly because you say so 🤣) According to your immaculate logic (not certain you can catch sarcasm tho, i feel like you cant) a suggestion inst partial feedback.

    If you find something missing from the game, the first thing to do would be to check the wiki and see if there are plans for the thing you think is missing, or plans for something that would perform the same function.

    If there is not, your best next step is to bring it up in discussion wirh the community (would this idea work with the game or not?).

    If the idea is good, people here will generally let you know. If it is bad, we will.let you know that as well, and give you a chance to defend your idea. It is discussions like this that the community team make the dev team aware of, so realistically, starting a discussion with the community is the only thing you need to do.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited November 9
    Gardosien wrote: »
    "The problem is corruption, Always has been always will be"
    The baseline problem is nonconsensual PVP, corruption is trying to stop that. Would just be a gankers dream without it atm.. Run around kill lowbies, and talk sh-t while doing it.. Already see these type of people all over the game, no need to feed them.. Not one of the will run around with their Flag on in sht gear looking for a fight.
    Why not just remove the whole dam system and open up more PVP areas, like whole zone with PVP related rewards.. If you do not want to PVP stay in PVE land and avoid Wars... If you do not want to massive PVE, stay in PVP land.. Win/Win..

    I agree that corruption isn't the problem at all - it is indeed the fix to one of the biggest problems a game like Ashes has, as you say.

    The reason there is less PvP now than many (myself included) would like is simple - there is very little to fight over right now.

    I'm not the biggest fan of PvE and PvP areas being seperate though. If the idea is to give people that want good PvE that good PvE away from PvP, that means you are putting the hardest content in the game in an area where there is no PvP. This leads to arguments of where the best gear should come from, and just makes for a general worse experience for a game like this.
  • Noaani wrote: »
    Kallysha wrote: »
    i've met people like you before... and sorry to tell you this but i dont find you smart in any way shape or form, you know why? Because you arent

    I've never claimed to be smart.

    I have claimed to be smarter than specific other people, perhaps, but claiming to be smart and claiming to be smarter than a beach ball are two very different things.

    As to what I am generally considered an expert in (at least on a local scale), that really doesn't matter.

    Must just be the way you like to express yourself that gives exactly that impression... Oh now doesnt matter, funny innit.
    Noaani wrote: »

    If you find something missing from the game, the first thing to do would be to check the wiki and see if there are plans for the thing you think is missing, or plans for something that would perform the same function.

    If there is not, your best next step is to bring it up in discussion wirh the community (would this idea work with the game or not?).

    If the idea is good, people here will generally let you know. If it is bad, we will.let you know that as well, and give you a chance to defend your idea. It is discussions like this that the community team make the dev team aware of, so realistically, starting a discussion with the community is the only thing you need to do.

    No shit Sherlock (i mean not like i went through the whole wiki, something might escape me), and again i dont really come here to discuss with you i come to give feedback and thats it.
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  • Arya_YesheArya_Yeshe Member
    edited November 10
    Gardosien wrote: »
    It is from current state phase 3, phase 2.0 and 2.5.. Just lack of rewards for PVP. I never seen anyone LFG for a PVP group or small man, very rarely raids. But daily I see this for PVE
    I'm genuinely interested, what mmo has people LFGing for pvp? Especially open world pvp and not just random arena pugs.[/quote]

    In EVE Online, just join any of the militias, people will link the fleet and hop in for some full-loot PvP. They’ll probably share a discord invite too for the public miltia discord, and if you join, there’s a good chance you’ll run into me! :)

    We call it the “militia standing fleet.” It’s open to everyone, and you can even start your own and promote it like you’re a top militia commander.
    PvE means: A handful of coins and a bag of boredom.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Kallysha wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Kallysha wrote: »
    i've met people like you before... and sorry to tell you this but i dont find you smart in any way shape or form, you know why? Because you arent

    I've never claimed to be smart.

    I have claimed to be smarter than specific other people, perhaps, but claiming to be smart and claiming to be smarter than a beach ball are two very different things.

    As to what I am generally considered an expert in (at least on a local scale), that really doesn't matter.

    Must just be the way you like to express yourself that gives exactly that impression... Oh now doesnt matter, funny innit.
    I would agree that people that need to resort to gifs for communication probably do look at people that do not need them as being people that express themselves in a more intelligent manner.
    No shit Sherlock (i mean not like i went through the whole wiki, something might escape me), and again i dont really come here to discuss with you i come to give feedback and thats it.
    Cool, feedback is great.

    Suggestions are not feedback, however. If you are posting your ideas for what you think the game needs, you are at that point interacting with posters here, not with developers.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited November 10
    Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

    In EVE Online, just join any of the militias, people will link the fleet and hop in for some full-loot PvP. They’ll probably share a discord invite too for the public miltia discord, and if you join, there’s a good chance you’ll run into me! :)

    We call it the “militia standing fleet.” It’s open to everyone, and you can even start your own and promote it like you’re a top militia commander.

    I could be wrong here, but that isn't quite the same as what was being suggested.

    In EVE, you are not addressing every player on the server asking for others to join up with you to go out randomly hunting for PvP, or looking openly for players to go after a specific player that is also in that same chat channel.

    That said, your answer addresses the question as it was presented in the post you quoted, just not quite in the context it was intended.
  • Noaani wrote: »
    I would agree that people that need to resort to gifs for communication probably do look at people that do not need them as being people that express themselves in a more intelligent manner.

    Ah here we are again 🤣 i mean you been doing some impressive gymnastics in here that is for sure (to keep/on going trying to prove something [and still (keep on) failing]), yet i still have more braincells than you.

    Btw havent i already told you, the gaslight doesnt work on me, honestly why you keep insisting.
    Noaani wrote: »
    Cool, feedback is great.

    Suggestions are not feedback, however. If you are posting your ideas for what you think the game needs, you are at that point interacting with posters here, not with developers.

    OOF my guy, since clearly you even struggle to read:

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    Well unfortunately there is no personal/private feedback option otherwise you can be certain i wouldnt be in here, and havent i already affirmed that i've noticed my feedback was listened, as i've seen in it in game (besides you once more go on an whole lot of gymnastics to try imply it must have not been the case/ surely coincidences).
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  • Arya_Yeshe wrote: »
    I'm genuinely interested, what mmo has people LFGing for pvp? Especially open world pvp and not just random arena pugs.

    Well aint open world pvp tho but for a matter of fact gw2 has it, for both pvp and wvw (besides the wvw one hardly been used, at least talking for myself, never really used that, cuz maps are not that huge so you can just get in it and see if something is going on...) or pretty much everything.
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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Kallysha wrote: »
    Well unfortunately there is no personal/private feedback option otherwise you can be certain i wouldnt be in here
    That is because it isn't wanted.

    If Intrepid thought someone like you or me could provide some sort of information or idea that they couldn't come up with at all, they would provide a means for us to do that.

    And as an FYI, when you ask most AI models a question where you hint at the answer you want, they will attempt to give you that answer. AI isn't designed to be accurate, it is designed to please people.

    The fact that you would consider an AI answer to be worth posting is quite amusing though, AI is still absolute dogshit.
  • Noaani wrote: »
    Kallysha wrote: »
    Well unfortunately there is no personal/private feedback option otherwise you can be certain i wouldnt be in here
    That is because it isn't wanted.

    If Intrepid thought someone like you or me could provide some sort of information or idea that they couldn't come up with at all, they would provide a means for us to do that.

    And as an FYI, when you ask most AI models a question where you hint at the answer you want, they will attempt to give you that answer. AI isn't designed to be accurate, it is designed to please people.

    The fact that you would consider an AI answer to be worth posting is quite amusing though, AI is still absolute dogshit.

    You truly desperate to be right innit, the constant on going attempts it is what is indeed amusing. Dont know what you so desperately trying to achieve in here with such miserable attempts ngl. You see its not working but you keep insisting, amazing. If i was you i would look for some help.
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  • AszkalonAszkalon Member, Alpha Two
    Maaan ... ...



    ... ... ... this Alpha is sooooooo cocked ... ... ...
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    I am in the guildless Guild so to say, lol. But i won't give up. I will find my fitting Guild "one Day".
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Kallysha wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Kallysha wrote: »
    Well unfortunately there is no personal/private feedback option otherwise you can be certain i wouldnt be in here
    That is because it isn't wanted.

    If Intrepid thought someone like you or me could provide some sort of information or idea that they couldn't come up with at all, they would provide a means for us to do that.

    And as an FYI, when you ask most AI models a question where you hint at the answer you want, they will attempt to give you that answer. AI isn't designed to be accurate, it is designed to please people.

    The fact that you would consider an AI answer to be worth posting is quite amusing though, AI is still absolute dogshit.

    You truly desperate to be right innit, the constant on going attempts it is what is indeed amusing. Dont know what you so desperately trying to achieve in here with such miserable attempts ngl. You see its not working but you keep insisting, amazing. If i was you i would look for some help.

    You seem to be misunderstanding the situation.

    I am not "desperate to be right", I don't need to be. Being right or wrong is something that was inherent to the position each of us took at the beginning of this discussion.

    What I am trying to do is inform you that the position you took at the beginning means that you are wrong. Nothing can change the fact that you are wrong, all I can do is inform you of that fact.
  • SolvrynSolvryn Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Gardosien wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Gardosien wrote: »
    Way more pve forced on pvp players.

    *The game* is PvE.

    That is where the world is built, that is where the things players fight over in PvP reside.

    PvP is there as a catalyst for change. It doesn't build, it breaks.

    This game would still technically work (with a few changes) without any PvP at all. Remove PvE and you do not have a game.

    PvP'ers are indeed a whiny bunch.

    1.) It is a PVX Game
    2.)No one ever said anything about not having PVE, Just requesting a Balance of game play and rewards
    3.) PVP can Build if it was given rewards = to those of pve
    5.)Maybe take time to suggestion how it (pvp) can be improved and balanced with pve vs Calling names

    It becomes PvX with PvP added friend, there can be no MMO without regular Environmental development. You cannot have PvP in any game.. without environment.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Solvryn wrote: »
    Gardosien wrote: »
    Noaani wrote: »
    Gardosien wrote: »
    Way more pve forced on pvp players.

    *The game* is PvE.

    That is where the world is built, that is where the things players fight over in PvP reside.

    PvP is there as a catalyst for change. It doesn't build, it breaks.

    This game would still technically work (with a few changes) without any PvP at all. Remove PvE and you do not have a game.

    PvP'ers are indeed a whiny bunch.

    1.) It is a PVX Game
    2.)No one ever said anything about not having PVE, Just requesting a Balance of game play and rewards
    3.) PVP can Build if it was given rewards = to those of pve
    5.)Maybe take time to suggestion how it (pvp) can be improved and balanced with pve vs Calling names

    It becomes PvX with PvP added friend, there can be no MMO without regular Environmental development. You cannot have PvP in any game.. without environment.

    It's almost like the entire notion of PvX is totally meaningless.
  • Noaani wrote: »
    You seem to be misunderstanding the situation.

    I am not "desperate to be right", I don't need to be. Being right or wrong is something that was inherent to the position each of us took at the beginning of this discussion.

    What I am trying to do is inform you that the position you took at the beginning means that you are wrong. Nothing can change the fact that you are wrong, all I can do is inform you of that fact.

    Wew he keeps going, serious issues my guy serious issues... you absolutely are, you turned the conversation all around just to desperately trying to prove you are right.
    Btw not long ago i asked another question on google and you wont believe it, the answer was not what i desired to hear, u.u looks like ai inst always on our side. You should consider take your meds.
    I can pull up a strong attitude yes! be aware 
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