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Phase I of Alpha Two testing will occur on weekends. Each weekend is scheduled to start on Fridays at 10 AM PT and end on Sundays at 10 PM PT. Find out more here.
Check out Alpha Two Announcements here to see the latest Alpha Two news and update notes.
Our quickest Alpha Two updates are in Discord. Testers with Alpha Two access can chat in Alpha Two channels by connecting your Discord and Intrepid accounts here.
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BDO & Archeage are still Asian-MMO garbage tbh. I'm mean sure ... there was some fun times ... but its the Devs that added P2W mechanics - BDO being scummy by forcing players to buy Cosmetics from the Cash Shop because Armor earned in-game purposely looks fugly . not to mention BDO's got hackers. Archeage practically not being any different tbh. FFXIV is the only one that's worth it ...
And i gotta be honest with you ... the Final Fantasy Franchise doesn't feel right being an MMORPG ... or at least that's how i saw it when it first released.
Which is ultimately the reason why i didn't play it.
Some PvE's want PvE only servers.
Some PvP's want no corruption.
Most people want Ashes to be it's best and are willing to give it a try.
Just to clarify the summation.
So what I'd like to say is this: I learned a long time ago not to try to talk devs into a different game than they were making. The devs always have a vision and no one is going to talk them out of it. If you are a PVE'er and don't want to be attacked and distracted from your PVE goals, then this game is probably not for you. I really urge the PVE'ers in this thread to simply look around. There are finally a few good PVE options being developed. Anthem is coming out. Diablo apparently has multiple projects. And if you want an MMO, I suggest you look at Fractured: the MMO, which will have 3 worlds/3 rulesets, including PVE.
I guess what I'm trying to say is: Don't break your head and your heart trying to make this game something other than what it is. There are starting to be actual choices in PVE beyond the latest clone of something else. If you enjoy PVP and don't mind being attacked while doing PVE, then this game is probably great for you. If you want to PVE in peace, then this game is probably a poor match for you. Don't force yourself to try and like it if you really hate the experience.
I understand encouraging PvE players that hate PvP to look around.
I encourage PvP players that want to PvP against anyone in the world 24/7 to do the same.
In the end I think $15 for an entire month to figure out if it is worth another $15 is totally worth it. Everyone should at least try it, even if it is new, even if they think it's the same-old-clone.
*Note, $15 is still the anticipated cost not the official cost to my knowledge.
Then you have the same people wondering why the MMO they are playing is dead and empty constantly jumping from 1 mmo tailcoat to the next while pushing the same agenda that only hurts the game and its players.
Why would you want to play such a static game where as a player you have no agenda? So what, a Metropolis is created, cool, how do you destroy it? Guess you go raiding to beat a boss?
Its akin to wanting League of Legends without it being multiplayer, I just dont get it.
If you dont want to get ganked and kill, then either dont go out of the city or go with friends.
Exploring always had its dangers.
Whole game is not based around PvP. Most would claim the game is more PvE.
Hopefully the sever doesn't go static, that would be a failure of the game and the community.
As a PvE player you help take down other nodes by preparing yours for a raid, either by gearing your citizens or producing the resources necessary to fund the raid.
It is unlikely players will be ganked and killed just leaving the city. Corruption should be a deterrent to most, and the ones it's not a deterrent to will have plenty of Bounty Hunters and other PvP oriented players to contend with.
It looks like you joined the forums way back, have you been kept up to date on the dev vids and such? You seem out of the loop a bit.
That is the most fantastic thing in decades for MMO's
The pvp open world has measures in place to prevent griefing. Corruption itself and the chance to lose your gear are negative enough in itself.
It has large cooldown periods for people who are just killing, meaning they cannot just kill and profit, they will have to log out and leave the game be for hours or longer at a time. Not worth it for trigger happy pvp fools
The game is going to be a dynamic world, shaped by the players who band up. Not some static display area like ESO or WoW.
The pve will still be there and engaging, and oftentimes initiated by pvpers for PvE players by difference in leveling of the Nodes.
At its heart, the game will literally BE engaging and that is the attraction here
Ever since Ultima Online and Everquest (Zek servers) I've been searching for a new 'home' MMO. Mortal Online scratched my itch for a while, and ArcheAge was a lot of fun but they lack Oceanic servers and the obvious Pay2Win problems that come with eastern MMOs.
This MMO in development, AoC, drew me in because it seemed to promise a 'real' MMO like in the old days, with both PvE and PvP. PvP seems to be a central focus with nodes and caravans, and there is a very nasty corruption system in to protect innocents, which sounds pretty cool!
I came here specifically for the PvP because it seemed to be a big part of the game. Am I wrong? How much weight do these "PvP is griefing" crowd have here? They seem to have saturated every other MMO and ruined it (for me).
I'm trying to escape the carebears but I don't know if I can. Is this place safe for me? Can I l live here or should I keep looking? How carebear is this game? I don't want to feel safe. Worlds aren't safe and I want to feel like I'm in a fantasy world again. It's been so long.
This honestly seems like my only hope (besides StarCitizen) as I recently watched a dev q&a where they said that there would be oceanic servers for us aussies! That's huge for us! I can genuinely bring like 10+ bros, and that's just me.. They 100% have a bunch of friends that are just as starved for a good PvP MMO as I am. We need this. No one caters to us!
Most of Ashes is actually in for this Open world interactive environment
This is an old post section that was created before full understanding of the Node system, corruption, and bounty systems were released
If you are corrupted for killing players who havent "flagged" themselves for pvp, you reciece corruption which reduces all your pvp stats, initiates a bounty that pays the bounty hunter, and flags your location to the entire server
Everone else who "flags" themselves and lets say you attack that person, you will not recieve any penalties
This way everyone who wants to pvp, will be good and any ass who justs wants to kill people doing their thing will be quickly targeted and eliminated
Thanks.
It has been awhile since I read through the PvP aspect portion of corruption
I could have sworn there was a cooldown or way to remove corruption.
Either way the Player killer could theoretically just log out 🤷🏻♂️
We have to wait until the Corruption system is in play with enough players to get a feel for how much of a deterrent it might truly be.
And, of course, the people who determine that the Corruption system is not a sufficient deterrent will very likely not play Ashes, if a better alternative is not implemented.
It might be possible, but your mention of it is the only time I have heard of it.
As of now corruption is removed through death and potential questing.
If you can find a source that says otherwise, please post link here.
@UnknownSystemError is usually the go to guy for this type of thing
May he bless us with his inherent knowledge of Ashes.
For Dygz, my comment was more of a clapback at the people who were talking shit about the price difference increase from the A1 to A2 packages. 7 months (variable upon need) of A1 testing vs what looks to be much shorter periods for the other phases seems like good value if someone was to look at testing access as all you got for that $250 jump. We won't see corruption until A1P2. I asked if we would see corruption in A1P1 and the answer from the Sandal God was no. As you said, PVE focused players won't be able to really decide if Ashes is for them until much later in the process. Just woke up, so if I am confused on what I was meant to respond to, I will take another stab at it later.
Which is to be expected when opposing playstyles are forced to play on the same server.
But I think this inherent conflict between opposing playstyles will be the driving force behind In game politics and the "adrenaline" gamers often get in any game conflict.
It really is amazing when you take an objective step back, and look at how all these systems are connected and how they are all designed to connect one another, even if its connected in an non-apparent way because player interest is what determines it all.
By the By, I've rarely encountered PvE playes who didnt use their pve gifts to excell in pvp with the gear combinations. You need both to be effective IMO. And not having them seperate (In AoC's iteration) is the best designed way I've seen in a mmo. It stops stagnation and boredom just from the inherent nature of the game.
But thats just my 2 cents and speculation. Either way I'm going to enjoy both 😁
People need to admit that non-consentual PvP games have LESS overall appeal than otherwise. Just because you are loud with your opinions (as the PvP ganker crowd is) doesn't make you right.
I'm sure that if AoC doesn't address this and provide a better mechanism than "you can get back at them using PvP..." then it's going to alienate a significant portion of it's potential audience.
That said a lot of companies rely on PvP to mask their lack of real game content.... since PvP is the poor man's way to keep players engaged in a game without having to put in a lot of content work.
Everquest now has an ongoing issue with krono introducing all kinds of weird effects into the ingame economy.
Guild Wars 2 is experiencing deflation, which economists tend to consider even more harmful than excessive inflation. An economist's take here.
The creative director of this game has implicitly laid out his intent to model Ashes as a fantasy-based EVE Online, where players create wealth via PVE, and said wealth is consumed or destroyed via PVE. World of Warcraft and Everquest implemented tokens which could be used for subscription time via ingame currency to invent a gold sink for players to consume their wealth, but more problems arrived because that sub time became tied to real monetary value.
Guild Wars 2 might arguably be experiencing its own set of issues because of the crappy way the auction house work (or described as "'reverse discriminatory price auction" by the author of the thread I linked), and possibly due to a question of Anet who wanted to reduce gold supply via adventuring for some arcane reason.
Thus far, EVE has been the only MMO in the market with a viable playerbase which has a healthily functioning economy without needing much intervention from the developers. Your raised examples do not pass muster.
There are countless MMO's out there with PVE gameplay, why are you guys not playing those? Why are you coming to this game and then soap-boxing about the reasons for why Intrepid should change the fundamental principles on which AoC was designed?