Guess there are going to be some disappointed squirrels then gnawing on those nuts. It has been stated over and over that there will not be separate server types. They will all be PVX and the same using the flagging system as lined out. No matter the pearl clutching that has gone on in the forums or Discord, this has never wavered. They will balance the penalties for griefing over the course of testing to make sure it has true bite and impact.
Guess there are going to be some disappointed squirrels then gnawing on those nuts. It has been stated over and over that there will not be separate server types. They will all be PVX and the same using the flagging system as lined out. No matter the pearl clutching that has gone on in the forums or Discord, this has never wavered. They will balance the penalties for griefing over the course of testing to make sure it has true bite and impact.
I truely hope that griefing is what gets prevented and not open world pvp as a whole. That's my concern with the system laid out as it currently is.
Except for this. It is the foundation of their game. If they changed it they would be changing how their game works completely. PVE builds, PVP destroys. Without one the world will stagnate which is something Intrepid does not want. Conflict is essential for the node system they are building. Sure, players could negotiate treaties with each other and avoid fighting, but that is simply unrealistic given player's attitudes about getting what they want these days. Not very many people like to compromise. With resources being limited, their spawns being random throughout the world, and there being a cap on how many nodes can become a metropolis, there will be conflict. Almost every system in the game is designed for it.
@Amaze If two guilds are at war, Intrepid has talked about making it so that members of the opposing guild cannot give you corruption. Both guilds will always be considered combatants when faced against each other. You can kill them as much as you want, but they can do likewise.
PVE server= Some people flagged for PVP other not so still have PVP and PVE
PVEserver does not equal everyone is not flagged for PVP
So PVP server = pvp is forced on pve toons .
So a PVE server = a PVP/PVE server (the name is just deceptive)
In a nutshell putting a toon in a pvp situation when they do not want to be in one is a bad idea.
With that logic pvp and pve server are basically the same because technically people don't have to attack each other on a pvp server. Yes, world pvp can happen on a pve server but it doesn't. Humans tend towards the path of least resistance. We do whats easiest. If you our out trying to accomplish a task then you are not going to let someone attack you even if you enjoy pvp.
Being put in pvp situations you don't want to be in is part of the game. You may not like it but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. This is a pvx game, pvp and pve are both parts of it. Remember, pvpers will have to pve just like there might be times where pve'ers will have to pvp.
As i said before, i strongly recommend you stick around and see how this system turns out. I don't think it will be nearly as bad as you think and doubt you will have to deal with pvp much if you try to avoid it. The flagging system is not the only thing that will be deterring pvp. There will also be political consequences for attacking people. In the city hall blog they mention that a leader can mark players as enemy of the state. If you are truly passionate for MMOs and community then please give it a chance, you will be surprised.
Well I am a PVPer do plan to stick around. If you put a PVPer in a pve situation no big deal most mobs= Damage over time plus animation. Kite and kill or tank and kill. no big deal.
If you Put PVEer in a PVP situation then you might have a problem. I know players that could kill other players all day long they are just that skilled.
Just as an example a person could go out and pvp do seiges, do caravans, and so one and get their fill of pvp for the day. But now it is time to do a dungeoun or harvest or complete a questline and all the sudden they find themsleves in a PVP situation. This will be annoying (no risk or reward or any of that stuff) to even the most avid PVPer. I have been in situations were I have people waiting on me to complete a deal or a dungeoun, but wait cannot go yet cause someone is trying to kill me. So what if they get punished. I could not care less if they get punished or not, I still get delayed.
I geuss it is an open world so you could follow someone into a dungeoun with a group and camp the Boss and/or Mini Boss and Kill a group of people in the middle or at the end of doing a dungeoun. But they will get punished oooooh. So what there is no value no risk vs reward no nothing when someone just comes along kills you while you are trying to do a dungeoun. But they get punished!!!! It is so cool.
Great they get punished and you run of time and have to log off for the night with out completeing your dungeound or other PVE content.
But that is ok cause you go to bed knowing that they will be rightfully punished.
Think there are other ways to have bounty hunters in the game besides corruption.
Sieges and caravans wont be happening that often. Node sieges require a lot of resources. I wouldn't be surprised some servers go a year without seeing a node siege. You have castle sieges but those are something that happens between guilds and are monthly. Caravans are not scheduled public events that give players free stuff. They are resources that someone earned being transported at a risk. It's hard to say how often people will be doing them but when they are running them, they will be trying to avoid pvp. If you attack one, it will not be because you planned to do caravans that day.
As many have said this is a pvx game. This is not themepark where you go ride the pvp rides and then go do the pve rides. It's all supposed to be connected and part of one game instead of being separated out. Every time you go out there will be a threat of pvp and you might want to plan for that. Some players enjoy this added danger and the randomness of it. To me, it makes the world feel alive and creates an atmosphere that makes it feel like a real world.
The system isn't there to make you feel good. It's there to deter pvp and make it so it happens less. It's there to make attacking people not worth it. It gives player incentives to only attack when they have a good reason.
I'm sorry for sounding like a broken record. Maybe you wont like but i still recommend you give it a try before insisting they adopt the same systems we have today.
@Consultant It doesn't entirely depend on if the victim cares about the punishment of PKers. But the PKers should care. It's their character who gets weaker and looses more stuff, so they will think 3 times over if they gank a full PVE Dungeon group of lets say 4 people. 4 x corruption = 4 x corruption debuff = 4 x more stuff lost, when killed.
I dont think that ganking will be a big problem. And that's because of the punishment. It just doesn't pay off. The more victims, the more it doesn't pay off for the attacker.
@Zastro Thanks for the information. Sounds even better!
Well maybe it will work. It is a really easy system to change if it does not work to well. But just to list a few more example since every one can attack every one.
Well did not like what he said so I am killing him. (will get killed later but not by him)
What is anyone going to do against 20 or more corrupted players. Are there going to be 20 bounty hunters to kill them.
One of the things that can happen on pvp servers is people can group together and basically control a point of interest. If they get enough they could control an entire city killing all gaurds and vendors and toons and npcs.(actually happened for 3 days)
If you were to call Ashes of Creation servers PVP servers a lot of people would just pass on to the next game. But they have a PVP server plus a corruption system and call it a PVX. PVX implies toon can decide to put a P or an E were the X is but that is not the case. Having world PVP is great. Flagging everone for pvp not so great. I understand the fun and value of World PVP, but you do not have flag everyone for pvp to have that.
Just to be clear PVP Server = everyone can attack everyone situation as far as this post is concerned.
Well maybe it will work. It is a really easy system to change if it does not work to well. But just to list a few more example since every one can attack every one.
Well did not like what he said so I am killing him. (will get killed later but not by him)
What is anyone going to do against 20 or more corrupted players. Are there going to be 20 bounty hunters to kill them.
One of the things that can happen on pvp servers is people can group together and basically control a point of interest. If they get enough they could control an entire city killing all gaurds and vendors and toons and npcs.(actually happened for 3 days)
If you were to call Ashes of Creation servers PVP servers a lot of people would just pass on to the next game. But they have a PVP server plus a corruption system and call it a PVX. PVX implies toon can decide to put a P or an E were the X is but that is not the case. Having world PVP is great. Flagging everone for pvp not so great. I understand the fun and value of World PVP, but you do not have flag everyone for pvp to have that.
Just to be clear PVP Server = everyone can attack everyone situation as far as this post is concerned.
I had my doubts in the beginning I even made flow charts and new propositions but after going through both flow charts and reading up on a few posts and working ou the scenario though my head I developed confidence that it would work.
You can see the post I made with suggestions for change but then determined it wouldnt be necessary going through the original flow chart and the one I was suggesting really helped see it more clearly.
I like ambushing people for that sweet sweet loot as much as the next guy.. But the threat of being tracked down and murderfied by a group of sweaty bounty hunters WHO KNOW WHERE YOU ARE AT ALL TIMES will definitely keep me in "check", so to speak. XD. I'd like to think other like minded players would keep that in mind as well.
Bounty hunter system seems like the perfect answer for rampant griefing. PKing is an inevitable aspect of any great game that institutes pvp into its core mechanics and I couldn't think of a better way to combat it in a more immersive fashion. Cheers.
Bounty hunting will indeed be fun, and will have specific skills that help that activity. But remember, corrupted individuals are able to be killed with impunity by anyone that come across them, not just BH. Consultant mused "What is anyone going to do about a group of 20 or more corrupted players?" Sounds like a call-to-arms guild activity and other "player-generated" events. Since as corruption rises, combat effectiveness decreases, the longer your corrupted zerg ball exists, the easier it will be to kill. With the stat penalties to large amount of death exp accrued, they are not just going to respawn, turn around and go at it again. So while I am sure there will be the occasional murder rampage to deal with, it will not be anything prolonged or far reaching under the current system as stated.
Really do not see the point of bounter hunters when I am red basically telling everyone withing earshot to kill me. Even best PVPErs cannot handle 1v3. I do not think red toons will live long enough for bounty hunters to kill them. And if they stat degraded well...
I think having some safe zones would be cool. Maybe a players free hold or just some place to be to do things like going through inventory and general toon maintenance could be implemented. Even the some of the most hardcore pvp games have safe zones. even if they are small. The I am going through my inventory and I will get someone to guard me while I do it....does not sound to exciting.
Savezones would be good. Like you said: The own freehold for example. On the other hand... What if I have a freehold near a street, ambush people, get back to my house, ambush people, get back to my house... and so on... Because I'm an idiot somehow? ^^
EDIT: Of course I would get weaker all the time and enough people would be eager to kill me, when I want to leave my house xD
Savezones would be good. Like you said: The own freehold for example. On the other hand... What if I have a freehold near a street, ambush people, get back to my house,
Do not think that is possible you stay flagged for an x amount of time after pvping from what I understand.
Well the only reason I can see to have the Everone can attack Everyone mechanic is to add a sense of danger to the game which makes it more immersive. So I geuss gankers are in fact making for better gameplay but they are going to get punished for it cause overganking makes for a bad pve experience (most game content will be pve) but really we should be thanking the gankers for adding a sense of danger to the game.
If every one adhered to the rules (never attack a green ) This whole system would be redundant and useless. Cannot have curroption without ganking. So gankers are used to add a sense danger to the game and get punished for it.
Well maybe if every mob (over 90%) in game was not = to claw/bit/swing(Insert the one mob ability) damage over time. Undead, bear , cat, elemental all do same damage just different animation. Who ever heard of undead with no undead abilities. Or some magical creature with no magical abities, then maybe you would have a sense of danger.(get smarter more challenging AI)
You could easily give the ganking duty to an avian AI that kills toons at random. Or and Earth elemental that comes out of ground or Pheonix or Undead that comes out of the ground. So sense of danger could come from Player vs Environment.(world mini bosses)
Plus if I had the most legendary item in the game would people be trying to get me corrupted to get that item.
I read the Original Post and from what it says Green (non combatants) will stay green if they attack a red corrupted player. So if Red defends against green then He will get more corruption. That is not the case with bounty hunters. Red kills bounty hunter no corruption. So best way to kill a red is a a group of greens not a bounty hunter.
Am I mistaken? maybe I missed some other game mechanic.
Steven: Alright, so there needs to be some clarity on how the flagging system works. Alright, so to be clear, everyone in the world exists as a non-combatant by default. You’re all out in the world players and you are not flagged for combat. If you as a player go to another player who is either flagged for combat or a non-combatant and you attack them or heal the combatant, you will become a combatant, you will be flagged for PVP, your name color will change, probably purple, and you will remain flagged for a period of time after which you have struck another character or aided another flagged character.
So, combatants are people who either aid other combatants or attack other combatants or noncombatants, so those are combatants… those are flagged players, they’re purple.
Question: Do you get combatant status for attacking a player who is corrupted?
Steven: You do not, i was about to get into that. If you kill a person who is not flagged for combat, a noncombatant, you will gain a corruption value and that value is determined by a few factors. The disparity of level between you and the opponent. If they are higher level than you, you gain less corruption, if they are lower level than you, you’ll gain more corruption, if they are an equal level to you, you will gain a moderate amount of corruption. If you kill a person who is a non-combatant, you’ll gain a corruption value.
Now this corruption value stays with you until you die. If you die while corrupt, the death penalties that you will receive will be tripled from what it would have been had you died while a noncombatant. So those death penalties include a negative experience that you gain an experience debt. It doesn't necessarily de-level your character, but that experience debt, as it accrues, will cause skill penalties, will cause stat penalties, and if you just go on a PKing rage where you are just killing a bunch of noncombatants, that death penalty, that experience debt is just going to rack up and it’s going to adversely affect your ability to participate in combat. So this prevents PK alts from being made. So that’s corruption. If you die, you’ll lose a value of corruption equal to your level in game and how much experience loss you accrue from death.
Another added downside for being a corrupted player, is that while normal death causes the loss of a certain percentage of your gatherable materials and mats, if you die while corrupt, you have a chance now, based on what your corruption score is, to drop equipped gear or completed items. So, that is the flagging system in a nutshell.
Limit the number of times a green can be killed by toons to like 10 per day preventing people from ganging up on one person. A green could get killed penty of times by different people Or ten times per hour or just some limit to prevent one toon getting farmed to much.
Have it so you can only attack someone let say five levels lower or higher than yourslef.
PVEers (most of player base) just want to PVE in peace for the most part and not really into the PVP aspects of game, so will be turning away a certain amount of people away. Even a lot of PVPers like to PVE in peace.
I think this a horrible system. You should never force players into PvP. This will be the "catalyst of change" to your bank account. Tens of thousands of PVEers are looking for a new game. Bad business decsion in my opinion.
Hundreds of thousands of PvPers are waiting for some MMO that will be finally good for PvP.
IS can scrap those 10,000 PvEers, and still profit on multiple more PvPers that will come and play.
Why?
Because there is multiple PvE MMOs out there right now (and people will remain playing them), but there wasn't a good PvP MMO out there for a long time. Make a good PvP MMO and a huge amount of crowd will come.
I think this a horrible system. You should never force players into PvP. This will be the "catalyst of change" to your bank account. Tens of thousands of PVEers are looking for a new game. Bad business decsion in my opinion.
Hundreds of thousands of PvPers are waiting for some MMO that will be finally good for PvP.
IS can scrap those 10,000 PvEers, and still profit on multiple more PvPers that will come and play.
Why?
Because there is multiple PvE MMOs out there right now (and people will remain playing them), but there wasn't a good PvP MMO out there for a long time. Make a good PvP MMO and a huge amount of crowd will come.
Coming from a person that usually prefers PVE vrs PVP I agree with you.
Also this game doesn't force people to PVP.
I had my doubts at the beginning but after analyzing and re analyzing the system i think it will pan out. There is a pretty hefty penalty for killing people who are not flagged and don't fight back.
It's called a PVX game elements of both and I bet when people give it a try things will be ok .
It's impossible to please everyone you have to pick the purpose of your game and go with it.
Limit the number of times a green can be killed by toons to like 10 per day preventing people from ganging up on one person. A green could get killed penty of times by different people Or ten times per hour or just some limit to prevent one toon getting farmed to much.
Have it so you can only attack someone let say five levels lower or higher than yourslef.
PVEers (most of player base) just want to PVE in peace for the most part and not really into the PVP aspects of game, so will be turning away a certain amount of people away. Even a lot of PVPers like to PVE in peace.
This thread gets worse every time i see it... Limit the amount of deaths per day? We need to stop seeing "This one mindset is the majority of the game". The simple answer is the game is PVX you knew you were gonna be fighting other players from the start.
Personally the corruption system seems harsh to me at this point but i am obviously biased towards PVP and would like to see a more open pvp system that will rely more heavily on the bounty system like using currency from the bounty target or increased taxes while being marked as a bounty, limited npc interaction while a bounty etc etc. Not being able to defend your self from greens without going further red feels wrong coupled with the inability to remove corruption without dying.
Ultimately i hope a nice balance is achieved and there are proper incentives to remain a combatant to both sides of the argument.. that would leave the remaining players attacking large level disparities (AKA gankers) as corrupted and punished.
Harsh is good, you don't wan't to get killed out in the open ? then stay in your freehold or wherever you can not to get attacked by others, they will probably do something about high level players ganking low levels.
Well technically it is not a PVX game. It is a PVP Server with controlled ganking hence the every one can attack every one game mechanic = ¨PVP server.
PVX game should in theory= PVP/PVE both types on one server and that is not the case.
Argent dawn (or anyone) just define what a pvp server is then what a pve server is then what PVX server (means PVP Plus PVE server)
Think IS is incorrectly labeling their servers PVX. When it is really PVP mainly cause you will always be flagged for PVP(no choice) Another way to look at it is :
This is a PVX server Te X will always = P Not and E so it is PVP servers.
You will never be in PVE mode in Ashes of creation. You could be deep in a huge dungeoun and have a pvp experience. (meet other palyers and attack them).
PVX does not = having PVP and PVE at the same time that is a PVP server.
You can throw terms around as much as you want and have a corruption system. Guess what? Always being flagged for pvp = PVP server. No way around it.
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@Amaze If two guilds are at war, Intrepid has talked about making it so that members of the opposing guild cannot give you corruption. Both guilds will always be considered combatants when faced against each other. You can kill them as much as you want, but they can do likewise.
Being put in pvp situations you don't want to be in is part of the game. You may not like it but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. This is a pvx game, pvp and pve are both parts of it. Remember, pvpers will have to pve just like there might be times where pve'ers will have to pvp.
As i said before, i strongly recommend you stick around and see how this system turns out. I don't think it will be nearly as bad as you think and doubt you will have to deal with pvp much if you try to avoid it. The flagging system is not the only thing that will be deterring pvp. There will also be political consequences for attacking people. In the city hall blog they mention that a leader can mark players as enemy of the state. If you are truly passionate for MMOs and community then please give it a chance, you will be surprised.
If you put a PVPer in a pve situation no big deal most mobs= Damage over time plus animation. Kite and kill or tank and kill. no big deal.
If you Put PVEer in a PVP situation then you might have a problem. I know players that could kill other players all day long they are just that skilled.
Just as an example a person could go out and pvp do seiges, do caravans, and so one and get their fill of pvp for the day. But now it is time to do a dungeoun or harvest or complete a questline and all the sudden they find themsleves in a PVP situation. This will be annoying (no risk or reward or any of that stuff) to even the most avid PVPer. I have been in situations were I have people waiting on me to complete a deal or a dungeoun, but wait cannot go yet cause someone is trying to kill me. So what if they get punished. I could not care less if they get punished or not, I still get delayed.
I geuss it is an open world so you could follow someone into a dungeoun with a group and camp the Boss and/or Mini Boss and Kill a group of people in the middle or at the end of doing a dungeoun. But they will get punished oooooh. So what there is no value no risk vs reward no nothing when someone just comes along kills you while you are trying to do a dungeoun. But they get punished!!!! It is so cool.
Great they get punished and you run of time and have to log off for the night with out completeing your dungeound or other PVE content.
But that is ok cause you go to bed knowing that they will be rightfully punished.
Think there are other ways to have bounty hunters in the game besides corruption.
As many have said this is a pvx game. This is not themepark where you go ride the pvp rides and then go do the pve rides. It's all supposed to be connected and part of one game instead of being separated out. Every time you go out there will be a threat of pvp and you might want to plan for that. Some players enjoy this added danger and the randomness of it. To me, it makes the world feel alive and creates an atmosphere that makes it feel like a real world.
The system isn't there to make you feel good. It's there to deter pvp and make it so it happens less. It's there to make attacking people not worth it. It gives player incentives to only attack when they have a good reason.
I'm sorry for sounding like a broken record. Maybe you wont like but i still recommend you give it a try before insisting they adopt the same systems we have today.
It doesn't entirely depend on if the victim cares about the punishment of PKers. But the PKers should care.
I dont think that ganking will be a big problem. And that's because of the punishment. It just doesn't pay off. The more victims, the more it doesn't pay off for the attacker.
@Zastro Thanks for the information. Sounds even better!
But just to list a few more example since every one can attack every one.
Well did not like what he said so I am killing him. (will get killed later but not by him)
What is anyone going to do against 20 or more corrupted players. Are there going to be 20 bounty hunters to kill them.
One of the things that can happen on pvp servers is people can group together and basically control a point of interest. If they get enough they could control an entire city killing all gaurds and vendors and toons and npcs.(actually happened for 3 days)
If you were to call Ashes of Creation servers PVP servers a lot of people would just pass on to the next game. But they have a PVP server plus a corruption system and call it a PVX. PVX implies toon can decide to put a P or an E were the X is but that is not the case. Having world PVP is great. Flagging everone for pvp not so great. I understand the fun and value of World PVP, but you do not have flag everyone for pvp to have that.
Just to be clear PVP Server = everyone can attack everyone situation as far as this post is concerned.
You can see the post I made with suggestions for change but then determined it wouldnt be necessary going through the original flow chart and the one I was suggesting really helped see it more clearly.
Check it out see what you think: ( You will noticed I amended the original title at the end )
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/37057/proposal-for-slight-change-in-the-pvp-flagging-system-determined-unnecessary#latest
Not trying to change your mind just trying to provide another perspective
Bounty hunter system seems like the perfect answer for rampant griefing. PKing is an inevitable aspect of any great game that institutes pvp into its core mechanics and I couldn't think of a better way to combat it in a more immersive fashion. Cheers.
Really do not see the point of bounter hunters when I am red basically telling everyone withing earshot to kill me. Even best PVPErs cannot handle 1v3. I do not think red toons will live long enough for bounty hunters to kill them. And if they stat degraded well...
I think having some safe zones would be cool. Maybe a players free hold or just some place to be to do things like going through inventory and general toon maintenance could be implemented.
Even the some of the most hardcore pvp games have safe zones. even if they are small. The I am going through my inventory and I will get someone to guard me while I do it....does not sound to exciting.
Savezones would be good. Like you said: The own freehold for example. On the other hand... What if I have a freehold near a street, ambush people, get back to my house, ambush people, get back to my house... and so on... Because I'm an idiot somehow? ^^
EDIT: Of course I would get weaker all the time and enough people would be eager to kill me, when I want to leave my house xD
Well the only reason I can see to have the Everone can attack Everyone mechanic is to add a sense of danger to the game which makes it more immersive. So I geuss gankers are in fact making for better gameplay but they are going to get punished for it cause overganking makes for a bad pve experience (most game content will be pve)
but really we should be thanking the gankers for adding a sense of danger to the game.
If every one adhered to the rules (never attack a green ) This whole system would be redundant and useless. Cannot have curroption without ganking. So gankers are used to add a sense danger to the game and get punished for it.
Well maybe if every mob (over 90%) in game was not = to claw/bit/swing(Insert the one mob ability) damage over time. Undead, bear , cat, elemental all do same damage just different animation. Who ever heard of undead with no undead abilities. Or some magical creature with no magical abities, then maybe you would have a sense of danger.(get smarter more challenging AI)
You could easily give the ganking duty to an avian AI that kills toons at random. Or and Earth elemental that comes out of ground or Pheonix or Undead that comes out of the ground. So sense of danger could come from Player vs Environment.(world mini bosses)
Plus if I had the most legendary item in the game would people be trying to get me corrupted to get that item.
Am I mistaken? maybe I missed some other game mechanic.
Steven: Alright, so there needs to be some clarity on how the flagging system works. Alright, so to be clear, everyone in the world exists as a non-combatant by default. You’re all out in the world players and you are not flagged for combat. If you as a player go to another player who is either flagged for combat or a non-combatant and you attack them or heal the combatant, you will become a combatant, you will be flagged for PVP, your name color will change, probably purple, and you will remain flagged for a period of time after which you have struck another character or aided another flagged character.
So, combatants are people who either aid other combatants or attack other combatants or noncombatants, so those are combatants… those are flagged players, they’re purple.
Question: Do you get combatant status for attacking a player who is corrupted?
Steven: You do not, i was about to get into that. If you kill a person who is not flagged for combat, a noncombatant, you will gain a corruption value and that value is determined by a few factors. The disparity of level between you and the opponent. If they are higher level than you, you gain less corruption, if they are lower level than you, you’ll gain more corruption, if they are an equal level to you, you will gain a moderate amount of corruption. If you kill a person who is a non-combatant, you’ll gain a corruption value.
Now this corruption value stays with you until you die. If you die while corrupt, the death penalties that you will receive will be tripled from what it would have been had you died while a noncombatant. So those death penalties include a negative experience that you gain an experience debt. It doesn't necessarily de-level your character, but that experience debt, as it accrues, will cause skill penalties, will cause stat penalties, and if you just go on a PKing rage where you are just killing a bunch of noncombatants, that death penalty, that experience debt is just going to rack up and it’s going to adversely affect your ability to participate in combat. So this prevents PK alts from being made. So that’s corruption. If you die, you’ll lose a value of corruption equal to your level in game and how much experience loss you accrue from death.
Another added downside for being a corrupted player, is that while normal death causes the loss of a certain percentage of your gatherable materials and mats, if you die while corrupt, you have a chance now, based on what your corruption score is, to drop equipped gear or completed items. So, that is the flagging system in a nutshell.
Would like to see following tweaks
Limit the number of times a green can be killed by toons to like 10 per day preventing people from ganging up on one person. A green could get killed penty of times by different people Or ten times per hour or just some limit to prevent one toon getting farmed to much.
Have it so you can only attack someone let say five levels lower or higher than yourslef.
PVEers (most of player base) just want to PVE in peace for the most part and not really into the PVP aspects of game, so will be turning away a certain amount of people away. Even a lot of PVPers like to PVE in peace.
Hundreds of thousands of PvPers are waiting for some MMO that will be finally good for PvP.
IS can scrap those 10,000 PvEers, and still profit on multiple more PvPers that will come and play.
Why?
Because there is multiple PvE MMOs out there right now (and people will remain playing them), but there wasn't a good PvP MMO out there for a long time. Make a good PvP MMO and a huge amount of crowd will come.
Also this game doesn't force people to PVP.
I had my doubts at the beginning but after analyzing and re analyzing the system i think it will pan out. There is a pretty hefty penalty for killing people who are not flagged and don't fight back.
It's called a PVX game elements of both and I bet when people give it a try things will be ok .
It's impossible to please everyone you have to pick the purpose of your game and go with it.
I'm curious to see how it all pans out
Come for the PVP .....
..... Stay for the PVX
Personally the corruption system seems harsh to me at this point but i am obviously biased towards PVP and would like to see a more open pvp system that will rely more heavily on the bounty system like using currency from the bounty target or increased taxes while being marked as a bounty, limited npc interaction while a bounty etc etc. Not being able to defend your self from greens without going further red feels wrong coupled with the inability to remove corruption without dying.
Ultimately i hope a nice balance is achieved and there are proper incentives to remain a combatant to both sides of the argument.. that would leave the remaining players attacking large level disparities (AKA gankers) as corrupted and punished.
PVX game should in theory= PVP/PVE both types on one server and that is not the case.
Argent dawn (or anyone) just define what a pvp server is then what a pve server is then what PVX server (means PVP Plus PVE server)
Think IS is incorrectly labeling their servers PVX. When it is really PVP mainly cause you will always be flagged for PVP(no choice) Another way to look at it is :
This is a PVX server Te X will always = P Not and E so it is PVP servers.
You will never be in PVE mode in Ashes of creation. You could be deep in a huge dungeoun and have a pvp experience. (meet other palyers and attack them).
PVX does not = having PVP and PVE at the same time that is a PVP server.
You can throw terms around as much as you want and have a corruption system. Guess what? Always being flagged for pvp = PVP server. No way around it.
How would you define a PVX server?