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Am I the only pvper that enjoys being ganked

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  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited April 2018
    TLDR: It's pretty simple.

    The way you design your game mechanics = that kind of crowd you attract to your game.

    For example, if you design your game with restricted PvP, then you don't attract crowd that prefers that kind of game. So later on you will not have large PvP in game, not only because of mechanics, but mostly because large amount of crowd that prefers PvP is not there, and has left for some other game.

    So all PvP is done by PvEers and moderate PvPers, so even if game is "PvX" you will largely lack PvP part in the game, because PvP population will be missing.


    I think this is largest problem Intrepid (AoC) will have. PvP part of their PvX game will be reduced to minimum, simply because large PvP guilds, and serious PvP focused crowd overal, will be playing something else. And the little PvP that will happen will be done by PvEers and casual PvPers.


    Thus even if Intrepid propagates game as PvX, and PvP as integral part, this PvP will not happen often at all. Game will be run mostly by PvEers.

    And the main fault for this lies with restrictive mechanics.


    If you want a true PvX game, you must not restrict PvP, or you will not have PvP crowd playing your game, and your game will de facto end up as PvE. Pure and simple. (Minimum PvP that will happen will not mean anything).
  • Your concept of PvP seems to be limited to combat.
    In Ashes there will be a wider variety of PvP forms than just combat.
    And, the way nodes and the benefits of nodes work, players will be pushed into meaningful PvP combat rather than just combat for the love of combat.

    If I need to ambush a caravan or siege a city because that's the only way I can ensure that I get the resources I need to gear my character, I'm going to go fight some player characters in order to achieve my objectives.

    The EQNext example is:
    If I have to kill some dryads to siphon the magic that powers my stealth gear, I'm going to go kill some dryads. And any player characters who decide to protect those dryads will just have to die. 
    Not because I enjoy PvP combat, but because I love to stealth and I will do whatever I need to do to maximize my stealth skills.

    In Ashes, PvP combat is likely to happen quite frequently.
    It might be primarily sieges, caravans, monster coin events and bounty hunting - rather than a 24/7 free-for-all. Sure.
  • Xombie said:
    Azathoth said:
    I don't understand why you take multiple opportunities to point out; you diet but don't need to, work is stressful (implying importance), your choice of semi-healthy foods, and the fact that those that work for you need you to function properly.

    Do you play MMORPGS to establish some level of actual meaningful control in your life?
    Reflection of ones insecurities and constant pursuit of validation are common practice on the internet. Everyone needs to know I am super healthy, make 6 figures, and have a very important managerial job :trollface:
    Wow such insight and I suppose I had a bad up bringing and my daddy touched my no no spot. Or perhaps I just speak vicarously in the moment,  and It would be nice if I made 6 figures. The amount of nit picking suggest it is you who has some inner demons you would like to discuss. ( hugs are free and I am willing get over here big guy)
     I was not aware trying to diet was me super healthy but thank you ( flexes). Let's say I was eating a pizza because ppl love saying they ordered a pizza. I suppose it suggest I am unhealthy then and want to be the envy of the none pizza ppl lol. If you knew me you'd know this is nothing as superficial as what you seem to think. But as I said this has turn into something fun for me. I will respond as long as I have something to respond to. 

  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited April 2018
    You said:
    "Side note: I am actually in shape but this diet has got me thinking about sweets 24/7"
    "
    I work nights and I am way past the point I need to sleep."
    "
    Look I am at work eating a zero carb yogurt and my employees are driving me nuts."

    I mean, it is a reoccurring theme in your post. You specified you are actually in shape, so I presume you mean healthy. Unless there is some version of in shape that is not healthy. You pointed out you work past the need for sleep. You also doubled down on 'zero carb*' yogurt as opposed to saying yogurt. Then mentioned 'your employees' are driving you nuts, well functioning employees wouldn't do that.

    *carb, not card.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited April 2018
    Azathoth said:
    You said:
    "Side note: I am actually in shape but this diet has got me thinking about sweets 24/7"
    "
    I work nights and I am way past the point I need to sleep."
    "
    Look I am at work eating a zero carb yogurt and my employees are driving me nuts."

    I mean, it is a reoccurring theme in your post. You specified you are actually in shape, so I presume you mean healthy. Unless there is some version of in shape that is not healthy. You pointed out you work past the need for sleep. You also doubled down on 'zero carb*' yogurt as opposed to saying yogurt. Then mentioned 'your employees' are driving you nuts, well functioning employees wouldn't do that.

    *carb, not card.
    Because I think about sweets 24/7. After I went on a wish list of sweets describing raisnets to ( my fav) all the way up to turtle dove cake. Its the dieting that has you hungry for the junk more than usual.  Also I said zero carb yogurt because I was eating it at the time. I said i was in shape one time because after that delicious smorgicborg ...smorgishborg?..... Smorgersh?... Anyways I felt I came off very neck beardish.Somehow you connected that one mention and me eating my nasty yogurt to the litany trail of some triathlon hidden under lining meanings. I would imagine you are a smart guy so you do know what speak vicariously in the moment means. As if two guys hashing it outface to face. I have a side job where I literally live as a characters I created so it comes natural. But now I suppose by the mere fact I mentioned that now i am patting myself on the back again. You seem oddly fixated on this, you wanting some diet tips bro?

    But my favorite part is the (( mentioned 'your employees' are driving you nuts, well functioning employees wouldn't do that.)) You would be correct sir lol

    Edit:Oh and yes I was way past my sleep time......because I was. (shrugs) not sure what else to say to that other than what I kept saying. I will speak in the moments at times, as I am typing whatever comes to mind.
    Now back to watching random Japanese game shows on YouTube. I will wait for the counter I am sure you are evolving lol


  • Azathoth said:
    You said:
    "Side note: I am actually in shape but this diet has got me thinking about sweets 24/7"
    "I work nights and I am way past the point I need to sleep."
    "Look I am at work eating a zero carb yogurt and my employees are driving me nuts."

    I mean, it is a reoccurring theme in your post. You specified you are actually in shape, so I presume you mean healthy. Unless there is some version of in shape that is not healthy. You pointed out you work past the need for sleep. You also doubled down on 'zero carb*' yogurt as opposed to saying yogurt. Then mentioned 'your employees' are driving you nuts, well functioning employees wouldn't do that.

    *carb, not card.
    Another reoccurring theme is the inability to see reason or admit any personal fault. You are beating a dead horse unfortunately. He's new, and learning, give him time. 
  • Xombie said:

    Another reoccurring theme is the inability to see reason or admit any personal fault. You are beating a dead horse unfortunately. He's new, and learning, give him time. 
    The clique crew in action. We can argue on that one on the ganking and so on.  But this why did you say this type of yogurt and why did you say in shape and need sleep this and that so on. Is just plain odd and no idea where to go with it. I feel like maybe it's supposed to be a gotcha moment but it got weird. Or like you see how superficial this guy is.... who knows

    Here's the thing it has become a tag team fun filled party against me and it obviously something kind fun to do on both sides. Anything I say regardless if you agree or not will be nit picked to death. The narrative is ( oh this guy) lol. I am honestly amused at the reactions at this point more than I am the original reason I was here.
  • What will be said next against me....the suspense
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited April 2018
    Back at work got some time to kill let's have a go some more guys. Azathoth is like so why did you have to say you were at work? Do you lack substance in your life and need structure and self worth by validating your needs here?

  • I’m already super lost after reading this forum thread. 
  • @CopperRaven

    I kind of do need some diet tips, or at least a sure fire reason to stay on a diet. You seem to be pretty adamant about addressing everything mentioned in this thread, so kudos to you. Some threads get abandoned for little to no reason by the op and you have had plenty of reasons to bail :wink:

    I like you, and in all honesty my comments were in fact aimed at continuing the provocation you had received from some others. I will give you this as well, until this thread Xombie and I occasionally agreed, but I don't know if anyone would have considered us cronies. You definitely brought us closer together. :blush: I am actually considering joining the guild he is in, and I don't like guilds but understand the need for them in MMORPG's.

    In all seriousness I was also taken back by you addressing all the things you perceive as random (or at least unrelated to the op) but in general ignoring my post. Especially since they generally favor your point and offered real and useful advice. My ego usually doesn't let that go long.

    In the end I think this thread is dead, or should be. Your point was well related and allowed for a wider range of discussion that also occurred, sometimes to your bewilderment. There will be many that resurrect this thread from time to time for trolling and non-trolling purposes. If that person is you, you will likely be called out as a self-promoting bumper. I'm not a fan of that particular style of ribbing, but it does and has happened on the forums here.

    I like to talk about myself, and do so a lot. I use the term "I" a lot. Most things I talk about are my opinion and I am good at indicating I know it is opinion and not fact. I filed to do so twice in this thread.

    In general my friends say I am arrogant at best and a narcissist at worst. Most people I know, before they meet my wife, are blown away by the fact someone would choose to live with me, let alone marry me (some literally thought the ring was a pick up tool because I am a flirt, I think women should be admired and enjoy conversations with all of them, especially if they are fit). In fact it is the confidence of being married that grants me the charisma to do so.

    I also subscribe to the philosophy that I exist because I have a consciousness, but there is no evidence that things outside my conscious are real. I have a pretty awesome life now, but for a majority of my youth it was horrible, like really horrible. Therefore what I experience now that many would consider existence I chalk up to as background noise conjured by my subconscious to fill the voids in the things I actively choose to participate in and therefore are as real as possible to me. You know, "...you make your own personal hell..." and what not.

    Arguments, failure, and so forth are just my subconscious adding flavor to an otherwise boring existence. Even now I am going into some detail about myself just to reassure you I don't think poorly of you for mentioning a few minor details. That alone is an exercise in self-gratification on two fronts, one being I now imagine you are happier and two being I got to talk about myself and justify a meaningless rant.

    TL/DR: it's okay, it wasn't worth your time, I could have put this before the bulk of the text wall, but why would I do that...
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited April 2018
    Azathoth said:
    @CopperRaven

    (but in general ignoring my post. Especially since they generally favor your point and offered real and useful advice. My ego usually doesn't let that go long.)

    Honestly there was a really good post you had put up I liked.( really good and articulate).
     I am typically at work on the phone talking on here. The reason thats important is my screen is so small, so I try to respond to what I can. I want to respond to the positive things but then goes a rant on me and I am like oh hell naw ( type type type) lol. Then it proceeds to go back and forth and it is to far back to respond.

    I never took anything seriously, this was kind of my verbal pvp. Me vs them so to speak and was just in fun. I had kind of forgotten what the op was about at times. It is certainly going to be one of my memorable forums. I had never seen something I posted fall apart so spectacularly. I was amazed, amused, and was thinking ok this is gonna be awesome.

    I will say this much, anything to do with pvp has always brought out the worst in people on both sides. The problem with that it is pretty much the only thing I know. I played some game for years and wouldn't even know some basic zones existed. ( that odd moment when you played for 3 years and you have to pretend you know a place). I lvl up get the gear I need and live in arena. ( holy hell there's clouds out here). With open world pvp I can actually see the world and enjoy the game. Sad I know but thats what I enjoy even i am not sure why that's all I like.

    At any rate I have no hard feelings at all to anyone. I will try to come up with a thread less err provocative.


  • ^Best of luck, we like to provoke.
  • Azathoth said:
    @CopperRaven

    (but in general ignoring my post. Especially since they generally favor your point and offered real and useful advice. My ego usually doesn't let that go long.)

    Honestly there was a really good post you had put up I liked.( really good and articulate).
     I am typically at work on the phone talking on here. The reason thats important is my screen is so small, so I try to respond to what I can. I want to respond to the positive things but then goes a rant on me and I am like oh hell naw ( type type type) lol. Then it proceeds to go back and forth and it is to far back to respond.

    I never took anything seriously, this was kind of my verbal pvp. Me vs them so to speak and was just in fun. I had kind of forgotten what the op was about at times. It is certainly going to be one of my memorable forums. I had never seen something I posted fall apart so spectacularly. I was amazed, amused, and was thinking ok this is gonna be awesome.

    I will say this much, anything to do with pvp has always brought out the worst in people on both sides. The problem with that it is pretty much the only thing I know. I played some game for years and wouldn't even know some basic zones existed. ( that odd moment when you played for 3 years and you have to pretend you know a place). I lvl up get the gear I need and live in arena. ( holy hell there's clouds out here). With open world pvp I can actually see the world and enjoy the game. Sad I know but thats what I enjoy even i am not sure why that's all I like.

    At any rate I have no hard feelings at all to anyone. I will try to come up with a thread less err provocative.


    You broke the quote, better luck next time.

    @Azathoth, Mutiny would welcome you with open arms my friend.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited April 2018
    I really didn’t read the thread. I’ll say this, though: I’ve always been more pvp oriented. This is mainly because I solo quite a lot. I got used to being ganked a long time ago due to this. Although I’ve been Chief of large in game guilds, and I’ve been officers of varying capacity....Something has always drawn me towards solo pvp. 
    While I still plan on doing some pvp in this game—this will be the first game in a long time I have multiple friends coming with me from the start—both friends that I’ve known for many years, and friends that I have made on these forums; along with multiple formidable guild invites. It should be interesting. I don’t see myself doing a lot of solo pvp here.
  • Being ganked by a person that is way above me not so much.  Nothing really to be learned by getting 1 shotted. Nor would I find 1 shotting low levels fun either.

    Now getting ganked by someone that is a lot stronger than me that pushes me to get more skilled and better. This id definitely a good thing in my eyes. I used to solo mobs that were a lot stronger than me to hone my skills so yes this would be good in regards to PVP as well. Used to group with friends where we would tackle challenges that were above recommended level for the same reason.

    But yeah nothing to learn from a ridiculous level difference where 1 or 2 shots would kill you instantly.

    I'd feel bad for the person that get's to the top where nothing provides a challenge, something I would try to strive for but never really want to achieve.  Be like that poker player that makes that dumb wish that no one could beat him in poker, the wish is granted and poker is no longer worth playing.
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