CROW3 wrote: » As long as Intrepid provides a broad spectrum of armor styles and cuts, I don’t really care. If female players feel they can have their toon reflect their aesthetic to the degree male players can - great.
superhero6785 wrote: » So I've been showing this game to my wife. We play some games together but she only likes to play "hot girl characters". When we play League of Legends, she refuses to play "ugly champions" even if they are really good lol. So when I showed her some armor set images from AoC, she immediately asked "where's the hot girl armor?" I know AoC isn't going to have Hyper Sexualized armor, and that's fine, but will girls have some sort of flattering armor sets? Despite some people's beliefs, it's not just guys that want sexy female characters to look at. Just as some of us guys want to play the super ripped heroic fighter, our wives/girlfriends/female players want to be sexy. Any info or screenshots of such armor? Thanks!
Cypher wrote: » Cadror wrote: » Excluding the photo (only example i was able to get) i added on page 2, are all the color images in this thread from AoC's own art page? No. Almost none of the images posted in this thread are from AoC.
Cadror wrote: » Excluding the photo (only example i was able to get) i added on page 2, are all the color images in this thread from AoC's own art page?
Cypher wrote: » Sathrago wrote: » This thread is actually something that I have seen be an issue in New World as well, but it's even worse over there. They basically went so far down the gender neutral route they over-corrected and now literally everyone in the game looks like a dude until you do a very, very close up look of their faces. From the Cosmetic sets we see and a few of the models we have been shown I don't see ashes making the same mistake... as much. I understand the refusal to over-sexualize women in our fantasy game, that's fine they want to keep things from being sexual. There is however a difference between feminine charm and lustful over-sexualization and I hope that we can strike a balance without going down the stupid route New World has chosen. Total agreement. Feels like Ashes is doing a bit better than New World on that front but I feel like there’s someone with some level of authority or influence with the design/art department that is extremely prudish or feminist (the type that is actually anti feminist and wants women to look masculine and/or plain). Feather ruffling time! I hope they don’t appeal only to the medieval realism nerds who shudder at the thought of cleavage. Let the realism fanatics wear realistic armor, and let the people who want a fashionable or “sexy” character have their way too. Make more money on the cash shop that way.
Sathrago wrote: » This thread is actually something that I have seen be an issue in New World as well, but it's even worse over there. They basically went so far down the gender neutral route they over-corrected and now literally everyone in the game looks like a dude until you do a very, very close up look of their faces. From the Cosmetic sets we see and a few of the models we have been shown I don't see ashes making the same mistake... as much. I understand the refusal to over-sexualize women in our fantasy game, that's fine they want to keep things from being sexual. There is however a difference between feminine charm and lustful over-sexualization and I hope that we can strike a balance without going down the stupid route New World has chosen.
JustVine wrote: » Cypher wrote: » Sathrago wrote: » This thread is actually something that I have seen be an issue in New World as well, but it's even worse over there. They basically went so far down the gender neutral route they over-corrected and now literally everyone in the game looks like a dude until you do a very, very close up look of their faces. From the Cosmetic sets we see and a few of the models we have been shown I don't see ashes making the same mistake... as much. I understand the refusal to over-sexualize women in our fantasy game, that's fine they want to keep things from being sexual. There is however a difference between feminine charm and lustful over-sexualization and I hope that we can strike a balance without going down the stupid route New World has chosen. Total agreement. Feels like Ashes is doing a bit better than New World on that front but I feel like there’s someone with some level of authority or influence with the design/art department that is extremely prudish or feminist (the type that is actually anti feminist and wants women to look masculine and/or plain). Feather ruffling time! I hope they don’t appeal only to the medieval realism nerds who shudder at the thought of cleavage. Let the realism fanatics wear realistic armor, and let the people who want a fashionable or “sexy” character have their way too. Make more money on the cash shop that way. It sounds like we are in agreement even if your comment about feminists was mildly rude (not because what you said was rude, but you assume the person in NW 'wants them' to look x, rather than 'have the freedom to look x given that society always pushes towards a certain way.') But I am not offended so don't worry about it. I think stuff closer to the overly sexualized spectrum stuff should probably cost more/not be as prominent quantity wise though (and even if they aren't I am not gunna cry about it.) Otherwise the current unique fine balance of Ashes has currently been striking will inevitably be erased because sex sells. I've found the current direction quite refreshing.
Cypher wrote: » JustVine wrote: » Cypher wrote: » Sathrago wrote: » This thread is actually something that I have seen be an issue in New World as well, but it's even worse over there. They basically went so far down the gender neutral route they over-corrected and now literally everyone in the game looks like a dude until you do a very, very close up look of their faces. From the Cosmetic sets we see and a few of the models we have been shown I don't see ashes making the same mistake... as much. I understand the refusal to over-sexualize women in our fantasy game, that's fine they want to keep things from being sexual. There is however a difference between feminine charm and lustful over-sexualization and I hope that we can strike a balance without going down the stupid route New World has chosen. Total agreement. Feels like Ashes is doing a bit better than New World on that front but I feel like there’s someone with some level of authority or influence with the design/art department that is extremely prudish or feminist (the type that is actually anti feminist and wants women to look masculine and/or plain). Feather ruffling time! I hope they don’t appeal only to the medieval realism nerds who shudder at the thought of cleavage. Let the realism fanatics wear realistic armor, and let the people who want a fashionable or “sexy” character have their way too. Make more money on the cash shop that way. It sounds like we are in agreement even if your comment about feminists was mildly rude (not because what you said was rude, but you assume the person in NW 'wants them' to look x, rather than 'have the freedom to look x given that society always pushes towards a certain way.') But I am not offended so don't worry about it. I think stuff closer to the overly sexualized spectrum stuff should probably cost more/not be as prominent quantity wise though (and even if they aren't I am not gunna cry about it.) Otherwise the current unique fine balance of Ashes has currently been striking will inevitably be erased because sex sells. I've found the current direction quite refreshing. Wasn’t trying to be rude, totally get that it’s something people get super offended by the mere mention of though. Also I was talking about someone at Intrepid not someone who worked on New World, though maybe they have a similar issue. I’m totally fine with the sexualized stuff being cash shop only. I just want to have it available at all. The “realism” people, more like medieval fans, get tons of options but god forbid they see the female form in their game. I keep hoping to see something come out in the monthly cosmetic packs, but so far it’s almost always some form of medieval or dread-knight style. Recent exceptions include the mushroom set and last months leafy set. But look at this month, again it’s another dread style. And don’t get me wrong, this months looks pretty cool and I’m probably buying it. I’ve bought several monthly sets. But it’s been very saturated and the other issue is these styles nearly always look the same between the male and female armor.
Cypher wrote: » I’m totally fine with the sexualized stuff being cash shop only. I just want to have it available at all. The “realism” people, more like medieval fans, get tons of options but god forbid they see the female form in their game.
CROW3 wrote: » Cypher wrote: » I’m totally fine with the sexualized stuff being cash shop only. I just want to have it available at all. The “realism” people, more like medieval fans, get tons of options but god forbid they see the female form in their game. Agreed. From everything I've gleaned about Steve, he's not going to put anything exploitive out there in his game. The T maturity rating will probably also keep the folks with hang ups around sexiness / sex from bombarding the operational support lines.
CROW3 wrote: » @Cypher - Yeah, I think you & I are in close agreement on this thread. Looks like Intrepid is waffling on T /M ESRB rating. I'd much rather this be an M rating so the game/world/player-base can avoid the 'think of the children' crowd.
Jxshuwu wrote: » Like my character in FFXIV is a female ninja who is fully armored, but under the helm she's a cutie. (Yes i play female characters, im a degen)
Jahlon wrote: » They don't have any plans on doing oversexualized armor. There have been some sets that flattering, you can see all the concept art here: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Costumes
HazardNumberSeven wrote: » Jahlon wrote: » They don't have any plans on doing oversexualized armor. There have been some sets that flattering, you can see all the concept art here: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Costumes That's a shame. I hope that changes over time. For us who aren't religiously repressed, we celebrate sexuality and beautiful designs. Things don't need to be practical, especially when they are robes, leathers, or magic is involved. I hope to see alluring sets for both men and women, in the future!
JustVine wrote: » HazardNumberSeven wrote: » Jahlon wrote: » They don't have any plans on doing oversexualized armor. There have been some sets that flattering, you can see all the concept art here: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Costumes That's a shame. I hope that changes over time. For us who aren't religiously repressed, we celebrate sexuality and beautiful designs. Things don't need to be practical, especially when they are robes, leathers, or magic is involved. I hope to see alluring sets for both men and women, in the future! It has nothing to do with 'religious oppression' or ' being uncomfortable with beauty or sexuality' for me. Wot. I simply have dozens of other games with it and a whopping 1 without (and even iceborn went that direction in the end.)
HazardNumberSeven wrote: » JustVine wrote: » HazardNumberSeven wrote: » Jahlon wrote: » They don't have any plans on doing oversexualized armor. There have been some sets that flattering, you can see all the concept art here: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Costumes That's a shame. I hope that changes over time. For us who aren't religiously repressed, we celebrate sexuality and beautiful designs. Things don't need to be practical, especially when they are robes, leathers, or magic is involved. I hope to see alluring sets for both men and women, in the future! It has nothing to do with 'religious oppression' or ' being uncomfortable with beauty or sexuality' for me. Wot. I simply have dozens of other games with it and a whopping 1 without (and even iceborn went that direction in the end.) You're right, my post comes off as inflammatory and I didn't mean it that way. We all have tastes and opinions, and they're all valid. I'll edit my post. Apologies.
HazardNumberSeven wrote: » Jahlon wrote: » They don't have any plans on doing oversexualized armor. There have been some sets that flattering, you can see all the concept art here: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Costumes That's a shame. I hope that changes over time. Things don't need to be practical, especially when they are robes, leathers, or magic is involved. I hope to see alluring sets for both men and women, in the future!
JustVine wrote: » HazardNumberSeven wrote: » Jahlon wrote: » They don't have any plans on doing oversexualized armor. There have been some sets that flattering, you can see all the concept art here: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Costumes That's a shame. I hope that changes over time. For us who aren't religiously repressed, we celebrate sexuality and beautiful designs. Things don't need to be practical, especially when they are robes, leathers, or magic is involved. I hope to see alluring sets for both men and women, in the future! I simply have dozens of other games with it and a whopping 1 without (and even iceborn went that direction in the end.)
