Those all look so boring though. Should let people be a topless floppy elf if they want to. They only enraging all of the feminists anyway. xD
Hmm. That's an interesting opinion. What makes you think 'all' feminists are enraged with any of the current stances by Intrepid or discussion in this thread?
*looks at materials for armor.
theres mithril so magic imbued semi sexy armor is doable, and barbarian/tribal armors will be just as strong as full armor.
and in a fantasy game with magic, any armor enchanted right is as good/if not better than full plate mail, though in high speed pvp, no one would notice how much skin is showing.
too bad theres no mechanic for 'distraction/allure' debuffs:/
I'm hoping the transmog system will allow us to min max and look how we want at the same time. In other MMOs I have always gone for the item power rather than the item looks. I did also have social gear which i collect but I would never fight in the social gear obviously. If my female toon is a ranged character I do prefer lighter armour, a wilder appearance and an alluring disposition. I'm not against more revealing gear in the cash shop but I would hope for said gear in the game items so I can transmog and dye.
I really hope they do not oversexualize armor. You can still make female armor and their silhouettes look beautiful and femme. Would be nice with a small slit on the leg maybe and nothing too crazy on the cleavage. I think a cinched waist on the female armor will make it more female-esque.
Love how every time someone asks for attractive (or “hot”) sets for female characters, all those who oppose the idea start screeching “bikini armor no good!”. Like, do you people realize those of us (male or female) who want our female characters to look hot DON’T literally mean wearing bikinis. I mean for crying out loud is that all you can come up with?
I"m not sure if this is a reply to my armor idea, but in case it is, it wasn't entirely out of just wanting to see it, there's also the functionality to think of. If a wrap-cross top does get added to the game, it would be best for agility stats due to how simple it is.
OMG this gives me PTSD from GW1 Elementalist armor lol
let me share some cool armors for females that i like (i dont play female characters at all but this is to show what is considered beautiful / cute/ in my mind)
Love how every time someone asks for attractive (or “hot”) sets for female characters, all those who oppose the idea start screeching “bikini armor no good!”. Like, do you people realize those of us (male or female) who want our female characters to look hot DON’T literally mean wearing bikinis. I mean for crying out loud is that all you can come up with?
Thank you, this was my original intent for the question. People assuming attractive armor must mean "Bikini Chainmail" are something special. Especially considering I even said I knew they weren't going for a hyper sexualized style. The bikini chainmail argument is always "it doesn't offer adequate protection", but people are more than willing to wear cloth robes into battle...so that point is moot as far as I'm concerned. The real argument is over-sexualization, and anyone who thinks a moderately feminine or appropriately fitting piece of armor (without having to wear a chest wrap to hide the fact you have naturally large boobs) is "offensive" are just as bad as the bikini chainmail weebs they claim to be morally superior to.
let me share some cool armors for females that i like (i dont play female characters at all but this is to show what is considered beautiful / cute/ in my mind)
Yes! These are exactly the type of armors my wife would love to have!
let me share some cool armors for females that i like (i dont play female characters at all but this is to show what is considered beautiful / cute/ in my mind)
Yes! These are exactly the type of armors my wife would love to have!
The "bikini armor" debate raged back and forth early on in development. Intrepid has stated a few different times that they are looking for a "high fantasy" feel and will shy away from making something sexy just for titillation. If you are looking for "Bikini's and AK's" out of the title I bet you will be disappointed. Just like there will be no overly sexualized children for another niche. There are a few concept art armors out there that may or may not be what you are looking for. From the wiki.
I'm more of the mind that it wouldn't really serve a purpose to have bikini plate armor, just in like reality, if you're going to have armor, it should be protective. I think from a fashion statement is enjoyable for some people, but it's a kind of an immersive issue.[9] – Steven Sharif
We're going for kind of a more realistic look; not necessarily realistic setting, but we want our characters to have weight and kind of feel like they're there.[9] – Jeffrey Bard
well we got the heavy plate bikini armor version :P both females and males they dont judge upgrading the chainmail bikini to the plate bikini
Stop posting bimbo-fied “armors” with break-your-ankle heels and a boob window that shouts “aim here”. Good lord
There are genuinely good design options and y’all could at least pretend not to be creeps
Wow, get out much? There were plenty of armors posted earlier that didn't have "boob windows" in your words but of course you focus on those characteristics you don't like. You should be careful with calling that and heels as "bimbo-fied." There are some women who wear that stuff that might find that offensive. There might be a better MMO for you where you can be guaranteed you won't see anything you don't like. Its called New World, you should try it.
Stop posting bimbo-fied “armors” with break-your-ankle heels and a boob window that shouts “aim here”. Good lord
There are genuinely good design options and y’all could at least pretend not to be creeps
Wow, get out much? There were plenty of armors posted earlier that didn't have "boob windows" in your words but of course you focus on those characteristics you don't like. You should be careful with calling that and heels as "bimbo-fied." There are some women who wear that stuff that might find that offensive. There might be a better MMO for you where you can be guaranteed you won't see anything you don't like. Its called New World, you should try it.
I believe the 'nuanced' words you are looking for are "strictly speaking not beneficial for fighting, and mostly there to make the character attractive to gynophyllic people with western standards of beauty." Heels make your feet sore and make you much easier to knock off balance in exchange for a butt lift. I don't care what word you want to call it. But it's obvious WHY it's in the pictures that have them.
Some of your 'pics without boob windows' were re-posts. So I'm glad we can find some common ground and agreement on both sides of the discussion that those were great pics that should totally serve as inspiration for the devs.
Stop posting bimbo-fied “armors” with break-your-ankle heels and a boob window that shouts “aim here”. Good lord
There are genuinely good design options and y’all could at least pretend not to be creeps
Wow, get out much? There were plenty of armors posted earlier that didn't have "boob windows" in your words but of course you focus on those characteristics you don't like. You should be careful with calling that and heels as "bimbo-fied." There are some women who wear that stuff that might find that offensive. There might be a better MMO for you where you can be guaranteed you won't see anything you don't like. Its called New World, you should try it.
Women who wear stilettos are causing themselves permanent physical harm, regardless of if they “like” heels or not. They make you more likely to lose balance, more likely to break your ankle, reduce your mobility, damage your tendons, and also cause early onset incontinence issues.
Posting robes or “armor” that are cut to barely cover the ass (if that) is not wanting “pretty armor”, it’s trying to make the character look like a porn category. It’s disturbing to see all these objectifying outfits being praised as if they’re somehow high quality design choices
Stop posting bimbo-fied “armors” with break-your-ankle heels and a boob window that shouts “aim here”. Good lord
There are genuinely good design options and y’all could at least pretend not to be creeps
Wow, get out much? There were plenty of armors posted earlier that didn't have "boob windows" in your words but of course you focus on those characteristics you don't like. You should be careful with calling that and heels as "bimbo-fied." There are some women who wear that stuff that might find that offensive. There might be a better MMO for you where you can be guaranteed you won't see anything you don't like. Its called New World, you should try it.
I believe the 'nuanced' words you are looking for are "strictly speaking not beneficial for fighting, and mostly there to make the character attractive to gynophyllic people with western standards of beauty." Heels make your feet sore and make you much easier to knock off balance in exchange for a butt lift. I don't care what word you want to call it. But it's obvious WHY it's in the pictures that have them.
Some of your 'pics without boob windows' were re-posts. So I'm glad we can find some common ground and agreement on both sides of the discussion that those were great pics that should totally serve as inspiration for the devs.
I suppose a full plate of steel amor is beneficial for fighting right? All we need is an extra couple hundred pounds on our body as we swing swords, axes, or whatever it is that we're using for offensive, lol. The point is, we choose different styles of armor because we like how they look. Yes, different styles accentuate different parts of the body, both male and female, whether its chest, breast, stomach, butt, legs, etc...so once again, so what. Let people play their style. It's a fantasy world, and as someone else pointed out earlier, there's magic involved and that leaves things very open ended as to what is possible. We can't really base a fantasy world off of reality because reality........<gasp>...doesn't have magic. As far as those pictures being western standards of beauty, I disagree. A lot of the artists producing those works are Asian...from the "East." Heels do make your feet sore...true....in reality .....and a 200 pound warhammer is impossible to swing around......so what's your point?
Stop posting bimbo-fied “armors” with break-your-ankle heels and a boob window that shouts “aim here”. Good lord
There are genuinely good design options and y’all could at least pretend not to be creeps
Wow, get out much? There were plenty of armors posted earlier that didn't have "boob windows" in your words but of course you focus on those characteristics you don't like. You should be careful with calling that and heels as "bimbo-fied." There are some women who wear that stuff that might find that offensive. There might be a better MMO for you where you can be guaranteed you won't see anything you don't like. Its called New World, you should try it.
Women who wear stilettos are causing themselves permanent physical harm, regardless of if they “like” heels or not. They make you more likely to lose balance, more likely to break your ankle, reduce your mobility, damage your tendons, and also cause early onset incontinence issues.
Posting robes or “armor” that are cut to barely cover the ass (if that) is not wanting “pretty armor”, it’s trying to make the character look like a porn category. It’s disturbing to see all these objectifying outfits being praised as if they’re somehow high quality design choices
Once again, this is a "fantasy game." No one is hurting themselves physically doing anything whether its wearing stilettos or swinging a great axe. There are very clearly armors which barely cover anything. Do a quick google search and I'm sure you'll see plenty. What is posted isn't much different than what is already in some popular games like BDO. No one thinks they are playing porn with that game just like they won't think that with this one, even if they do add armors like the ones posted earlier. I appreciate your opnion...and it is just as valid as anyone elses. My opinion disagrees with yours. If you want to wear full robes or armor with everything covered except the face, go for it. More power to you. Not everyone wants that. And as I stated before, check out New World. That would be your type of game. You can't even tell the girls from the guys, you'd love it.
If you want to have a nuanced discussion about lib-fem definitions of beauty and patriarchal constructs intersecting with self perception, I suggest you join a feminist forum to have that kind of rational discussion. This forum isn't good enough at having a rational complex conversation about such topics. So your going to have to work harder than that if that is really where you want to go.
If you want to have a nuanced discussion about lib-fem definitions of beauty and patriarchal constructs intersecting with self perception, I suggest you join a feminist forum to have that kind of rational discussion. This forum isn't good enough at having a rational complex conversation about such topics. So your going to have to work harder than that if that is really where you want to go.
“Don’t treat the female body like it’s an object to be stared at when designing armor” is not a wild “feminist” request. Online games have just gotten way too comfortable catering to sexist men that somehow it’s seen as “attacking” them when women express that these objectifying outfits make us uncomfortable and unwelcome.
“Don’t treat the female body like it’s an object to be stared at when designing armor” is not a wild “feminist” request. Online games have just gotten way too comfortable catering to sexist men that somehow it’s seen as “attacking” them when women express that these objectifying outfits make us uncomfortable and unwelcome.
Most people that complain so much about such things are just trying to earn brownie points that makes them feel better and won't even play the game anyways.
In the end its just fashion and I don't see women out in public wearing clothing that hides the fact they are women so I will assume that they want to wear stuff that highlights that.
For me personally I care more about the theme of the game so everything that falls within is A-OK to me.
“Don’t treat the female body like it’s an object to be stared at when designing armor” is not a wild “feminist” request.
I mean who else other than feminists would go for a request with such a specific assumption and as ambiguous as that in games?
Something that a lot of times simple varies from the perspective of person to person?
Online games have just gotten way too comfortable catering to sexist men that somehow it’s seen as “attacking” them when women express that these objectifying outfits make us uncomfortable and unwelcome.
Oh yeah, the modern feminist talking point by the likes of Anita Sarkeesian that assumes that the absolute majority of gamers are sexist men because the majority of games catters to them as they are sizewise the main target audience of those type of games while completely neglecting and disregarding the existence of "objectifying" Male outfits in the same medium.
If you want to have a nuanced discussion about lib-fem definitions of beauty and patriarchal constructs intersecting with self perception, I suggest you join a feminist forum to have that kind of rational discussion. This forum isn't good enough at having a rational complex conversation about such topics. So your going to have to work harder than that if that is really where you want to go.
“Don’t treat the female body like it’s an object to be stared at when designing armor” is not a wild “feminist” request. Online games have just gotten way too comfortable catering to sexist men that somehow it’s seen as “attacking” them when women express that these objectifying outfits make us uncomfortable and unwelcome.
That was more so directed at the person you were responding to, although I can see how it could be felt directed at you.
I don't really disagree with basically anything you just said. I probably wouldn't use the word 'bimbo' in this kind of discussion though. Then again I wouldn't use the word 'thot' either but sometimes you just gotta adapt to other peoples sometimes vitriolic sometimes innocent dictionary to meet them half way.
I'd love to have a much more nuanced conversation about this topic. But I really just don't think this forum is fit for it due to the general lack of civil decorum and commitment to genuine discourse.
For example, James has brought up that old adage of 'sexualized male costumes' as if the two are equivalent. It's been explained several times on this forum in particular why this is a flawed and unnuanced take. But it'll just get rolled away out of the brain space since they have 'better things to do' and aren't necessarily looking to change their opinion.
So rather than arguing and repeating doing the work to once again walk people through such things. I'll just keep pointing them to go and try and argue that sort of point in a different kind of forum dedicated to those issues if they want to do more than state their opinion, since I can only assume they are bringing up such points for reasons other than wanting to hear their own talking points. You feel me @Caeryl ?
Margaret is a fairly reasonable person who is capable of nuance. I'm sure a reasonable position is being advocated for in the design room as long as she is there, based on the monthly skins.
For example, James has brought up that old adage of 'sexualized male costumes' as if the two are equivalent. It's been explained several times on this forum in particular why this is a flawed and unnuanced take. But it'll just get rolled away out of the brain space since they have 'better things to do' and aren't necessarily looking to change their opinion.
Please, feel more than welcome to explain how it would be a false equivalence if you're willing, last time i saw someone in this forum trying to disregard this part "that assumes that the absolute majority of gamers are sexist men because the majority of games catters to them as they are sizewise the main target audience of those type of games" and this "old adage" while screaming "Female Objetification" they went with the pathetic relativization of "Male objetification" being a mere "male power fantasy" which not only is also subjective but also is a complete joke of a relativization to be honest. I would also like to assure i'm always more than willing to change my mind through good arguments. ^^
Margaret is a fairly reasonable person who is capable of nuance. I'm sure a reasonable position is being advocated for in the design room as long as she is there, based on the monthly skins.
Not only Margaret, i believe Steven and the rest of the team is certainly "fairly reasonable" people who are more than capable of nuance and i certainly have faith in their decisions.
If you want to have a nuanced discussion about lib-fem definitions of beauty and patriarchal constructs intersecting with self perception, I suggest you join a feminist forum to have that kind of rational discussion. This forum isn't good enough at having a rational complex conversation about such topics. So your going to have to work harder than that if that is really where you want to go.
“Don’t treat the female body like it’s an object to be stared at when designing armor” is not a wild “feminist” request. Online games have just gotten way too comfortable catering to sexist men that somehow it’s seen as “attacking” them when women express that these objectifying outfits make us uncomfortable and unwelcome.
That was more so directed at the person you were responding to, although I can see how it could be felt directed at you.
I don't really disagree with basically anything you just said. I probably wouldn't use the word 'bimbo' in this kind of discussion though. Then again I wouldn't use the word 'thot' either but sometimes you just gotta adapt to other peoples sometimes vitriolic sometimes innocent dictionary to meet them half way.
I'd love to have a much more nuanced conversation about this topic. But I really just don't think this forum is fit for it due to the general lack of civil decorum and commitment to genuine discourse.
For example, James has brought up that old adage of 'sexualized male costumes' as if the two are equivalent. It's been explained several times on this forum in particular why this is a flawed and unnuanced take. But it'll just get rolled away out of the brain space since they have 'better things to do' and aren't necessarily looking to change their opinion.
So rather than arguing and repeating doing the work to once again walk people through such things. I'll just keep pointing them to go and try and argue that sort of point in a different kind of forum dedicated to those issues if they want to do more than state their opinion, since I can only assume they are bringing up such points for reasons other than wanting to hear their own talking points. You feel me @/Caeryl ?
Margaret is a fairly reasonable person who is capable of nuance. I'm sure a reasonable position is being advocated for in the design room as long as she is there, based on the monthly skins.
Some users have certainly made it clear they genuinely don't care about anything but their own desire for fanservice, and somehow see no issue with that, but that's unfortunately far too common. No point doing anything at this point but blocking so I don't have to see the nonsense.
I can only hope Intrepid continues on the path they've been taking so far in regards to armor. Thankfully they've kept away from the gross Tera-esque designs, and aside from a very small handful, cosmetics have been nearly 1:1 equitable between the two sexes.
Please, feel more than welcome to explain how it would be a false equivalence if you're willing
you can't ask people to explain their reasoning behind requests like this when its just mock outrage and hyperbole to gain woke points from their #yesallmen facebook group, that would mean they'd have to actually activate some of their grey matter and come up with an answer that isn't just a mountainous pile of stuff from the other end.
Please, feel more than welcome to explain how it would be a false equivalence if you're willing
you can't ask people to explain their reasoning behind requests like this when its just mock outrage and hyperbole to gain woke points from their #yesallmen facebook group, that would mean they'd have to actually activate some of their grey matter and come up with an answer that isn't just a mountainous pile of stuff from the other end.
Here's the gist summed up in one easy image for you
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Hmm. That's an interesting opinion. What makes you think 'all' feminists are enraged with any of the current stances by Intrepid or discussion in this thread?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Yhr9WpjaDzw
theres mithril so magic imbued semi sexy armor is doable, and barbarian/tribal armors will be just as strong as full armor.
and in a fantasy game with magic, any armor enchanted right is as good/if not better than full plate mail, though in high speed pvp, no one would notice how much skin is showing.
too bad theres no mechanic for 'distraction/allure' debuffs:/
OMG this gives me PTSD from GW1 Elementalist armor lol
Thank you, this was my original intent for the question. People assuming attractive armor must mean "Bikini Chainmail" are something special. Especially considering I even said I knew they weren't going for a hyper sexualized style. The bikini chainmail argument is always "it doesn't offer adequate protection", but people are more than willing to wear cloth robes into battle...so that point is moot as far as I'm concerned. The real argument is over-sexualization, and anyone who thinks a moderately feminine or appropriately fitting piece of armor (without having to wear a chest wrap to hide the fact you have naturally large boobs) is "offensive" are just as bad as the bikini chainmail weebs they claim to be morally superior to.
Yes! These are exactly the type of armors my wife would love to have!
Yeah it's a pretty good selection.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Yhr9WpjaDzw
well we got the heavy plate bikini armor version :P both females and males they dont judge
There are genuinely good design options and y’all could at least pretend not to be creeps
Wow, get out much? There were plenty of armors posted earlier that didn't have "boob windows" in your words but of course you focus on those characteristics you don't like. You should be careful with calling that and heels as "bimbo-fied." There are some women who wear that stuff that might find that offensive. There might be a better MMO for you where you can be guaranteed you won't see anything you don't like. Its called New World, you should try it.
I believe the 'nuanced' words you are looking for are "strictly speaking not beneficial for fighting, and mostly there to make the character attractive to gynophyllic people with western standards of beauty." Heels make your feet sore and make you much easier to knock off balance in exchange for a butt lift. I don't care what word you want to call it. But it's obvious WHY it's in the pictures that have them.
Some of your 'pics without boob windows' were re-posts. So I'm glad we can find some common ground and agreement on both sides of the discussion that those were great pics that should totally serve as inspiration for the devs.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Yhr9WpjaDzw
Women who wear stilettos are causing themselves permanent physical harm, regardless of if they “like” heels or not. They make you more likely to lose balance, more likely to break your ankle, reduce your mobility, damage your tendons, and also cause early onset incontinence issues.
Posting robes or “armor” that are cut to barely cover the ass (if that) is not wanting “pretty armor”, it’s trying to make the character look like a porn category. It’s disturbing to see all these objectifying outfits being praised as if they’re somehow high quality design choices
I suppose a full plate of steel amor is beneficial for fighting right? All we need is an extra couple hundred pounds on our body as we swing swords, axes, or whatever it is that we're using for offensive, lol. The point is, we choose different styles of armor because we like how they look. Yes, different styles accentuate different parts of the body, both male and female, whether its chest, breast, stomach, butt, legs, etc...so once again, so what. Let people play their style. It's a fantasy world, and as someone else pointed out earlier, there's magic involved and that leaves things very open ended as to what is possible. We can't really base a fantasy world off of reality because reality........<gasp>...doesn't have magic. As far as those pictures being western standards of beauty, I disagree. A lot of the artists producing those works are Asian...from the "East." Heels do make your feet sore...true....in reality .....and a 200 pound warhammer is impossible to swing around......so what's your point?
Once again, this is a "fantasy game." No one is hurting themselves physically doing anything whether its wearing stilettos or swinging a great axe. There are very clearly armors which barely cover anything. Do a quick google search and I'm sure you'll see plenty. What is posted isn't much different than what is already in some popular games like BDO. No one thinks they are playing porn with that game just like they won't think that with this one, even if they do add armors like the ones posted earlier. I appreciate your opnion...and it is just as valid as anyone elses. My opinion disagrees with yours. If you want to wear full robes or armor with everything covered except the face, go for it. More power to you. Not everyone wants that. And as I stated before, check out New World. That would be your type of game. You can't even tell the girls from the guys, you'd love it.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Yhr9WpjaDzw
“Don’t treat the female body like it’s an object to be stared at when designing armor” is not a wild “feminist” request. Online games have just gotten way too comfortable catering to sexist men that somehow it’s seen as “attacking” them when women express that these objectifying outfits make us uncomfortable and unwelcome.
Most people that complain so much about such things are just trying to earn brownie points that makes them feel better and won't even play the game anyways.
In the end its just fashion and I don't see women out in public wearing clothing that hides the fact they are women so I will assume that they want to wear stuff that highlights that.
For me personally I care more about the theme of the game so everything that falls within is A-OK to me.
I mean who else other than feminists would go for a request with such a specific assumption and as ambiguous as that in games?
Something that a lot of times simple varies from the perspective of person to person?
Oh yeah, the modern feminist talking point by the likes of Anita Sarkeesian that assumes that the absolute majority of gamers are sexist men because the majority of games catters to them as they are sizewise the main target audience of those type of games while completely neglecting and disregarding the existence of "objectifying" Male outfits in the same medium.
Aren't we all sinners?
That was more so directed at the person you were responding to, although I can see how it could be felt directed at you.
I don't really disagree with basically anything you just said. I probably wouldn't use the word 'bimbo' in this kind of discussion though. Then again I wouldn't use the word 'thot' either but sometimes you just gotta adapt to other peoples sometimes vitriolic sometimes innocent dictionary to meet them half way.
I'd love to have a much more nuanced conversation about this topic. But I really just don't think this forum is fit for it due to the general lack of civil decorum and commitment to genuine discourse.
For example, James has brought up that old adage of 'sexualized male costumes' as if the two are equivalent. It's been explained several times on this forum in particular why this is a flawed and unnuanced take. But it'll just get rolled away out of the brain space since they have 'better things to do' and aren't necessarily looking to change their opinion.
So rather than arguing and repeating doing the work to once again walk people through such things. I'll just keep pointing them to go and try and argue that sort of point in a different kind of forum dedicated to those issues if they want to do more than state their opinion, since I can only assume they are bringing up such points for reasons other than wanting to hear their own talking points. You feel me @Caeryl ?
Margaret is a fairly reasonable person who is capable of nuance. I'm sure a reasonable position is being advocated for in the design room as long as she is there, based on the monthly skins.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Yhr9WpjaDzw
Come on don't don't throw shade at our fellow forum folks like that.
Please, feel more than welcome to explain how it would be a false equivalence if you're willing, last time i saw someone in this forum trying to disregard this part "that assumes that the absolute majority of gamers are sexist men because the majority of games catters to them as they are sizewise the main target audience of those type of games" and this "old adage" while screaming "Female Objetification" they went with the pathetic relativization of "Male objetification" being a mere "male power fantasy" which not only is also subjective but also is a complete joke of a relativization to be honest. I would also like to assure i'm always more than willing to change my mind through good arguments. ^^
Not only Margaret, i believe Steven and the rest of the team is certainly "fairly reasonable" people who are more than capable of nuance and i certainly have faith in their decisions.
Aren't we all sinners?
Some users have certainly made it clear they genuinely don't care about anything but their own desire for fanservice, and somehow see no issue with that, but that's unfortunately far too common. No point doing anything at this point but blocking so I don't have to see the nonsense.
I can only hope Intrepid continues on the path they've been taking so far in regards to armor. Thankfully they've kept away from the gross Tera-esque designs, and aside from a very small handful, cosmetics have been nearly 1:1 equitable between the two sexes.
you can't ask people to explain their reasoning behind requests like this when its just mock outrage and hyperbole to gain woke points from their #yesallmen facebook group, that would mean they'd have to actually activate some of their grey matter and come up with an answer that isn't just a mountainous pile of stuff from the other end.
Here's the gist summed up in one easy image for you