The worst possible feature in this game is the corruption

I can tell now, the corruption feature is completely broken. Let say, and it is a common case, some player kills another who grief and ks the mobs. Now let see how that PK penalty will work. The player who is flagged have the choice to die, or to die multiple times. So in fact the player who griefs wins. I saw exactly the same feature in many games - L2 after GoD, L2 Classic, BDO and etc. In every game the result was death of OW PvP. Many players left cause they feel frustrated they cannot protect from griefers. And above all some players do intentional griefing. I call that feature the gank of the loser. And if this thing exists here, I will simply not play AOC, as I already played BDO - good looking, but terrible game.

If you want to reduce the ganking, this is not the way to do it. There are multiple different mechanisms, that will not be exploited so much.

One simple exploit - I want a boss, or mobs, or anything in the game for OW PvE. What I have to do is to let another player, or players to gank me, so to insult them, or to ks, or to grief. Then I will take what I want, as when they PK me, they lost the case.

One possible way to reduce the ganking is a similar karma system - so the PKer is flagged for 5-10 min, but he accumulates PKs. And he needs to clean them by doing things that brings him exp and ingame money, for free. So 1 - 3 PKs random - 1-3 hour grind. 4-6 PKs - random 2-6 hours grind. Also loss of fighting abilities/items if the character has/dies with 6PKs and more.

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unknownsystemerror

Oh look, "I don't like corruption, remove it!" thread #352. Thought the count would be higher by this point. You guys are slacking. Good thing the impotent rage is working. Oh wait...............

Ravudha

Ikcen wrote: »

The common case is - you play with some slower PvEr, like a tank. Or you are in party with some newbies. So I come with a mage, start to kill literally all mobs. This is a common case. Then what will you do?

Research and explore other spots where this happens less (the world is big), get more people to increase my party kill speed, go do other content and come back later, or just continue killing less mobs if that still fulfils my gathering/questing needs. It's not the end of the world; there are options.

Wong

He called my momma fat so i will PK him and blame that on the corruption system.
Seriously? Are you 12?

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Jamation

Ikcen wrote: »

Jamation wrote: »

These are my thoughts and this is how I play games. So please stop making assumptions about peoples play styles or history.

And where I did that?

Sure thing. Here's a few examples:

Ikcen wrote: »

If I say I did things with you mother - you will be pissed.

Nope. I don't know you. Say anything about my mother that you like. It doesn't mean anything.

Ikcen wrote: »

Also you imagine a pretty empty game.

Again, nope. Game will have a huge map so plenty of places to go do content.

Ikcen wrote: »

The fact is I have experience with that system, while you do not.

Again, wrong. I have experience with similar systems. I do not see how this will be a problem for people who think before rushing around killing anyone near them.

And here is an example in the very post asking where you made assumptions about people xD

Ikcen wrote: »

So you are stone cold with steel nerves.

I'm not. I have emotions and feelings, but I'm not going to let a troll make me upset.

Ikcen wrote: »

Now I want to explain to me how you will protect you farming spot in an overcrowded game with the current PK system?

I have already answered this twice. Please refer to my previous replies for my answer.

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Nagash

Oh no here we go again.

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Nagash

Ikcen wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Oh no here we go again.

It is pretty easy, answer to my questions and I will say there is not a problem. What will you do if other players start to ks? Why here will be different from L2 and BDO?

why not use the forum search and find out yourself. I mean it's pretty easy to do.

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Nagash

Ikcen wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Ikcen wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Oh no here we go again.

It is pretty easy, answer to my questions and I will say there is not a problem. What will you do if other players start to ks? Why here will be different from L2 and BDO?

why not use the forum search and find out yourself. I mean it's pretty easy to do.

Why should I. Use copy - paste if you are lazy. I doubt there are answers to my questions, as I already experienced how bad is that. This system means the OW PvP is actually forbidden, but you can be also trolled.

well if you don't like it don't play it. there are plenty of people here who do like the PvP behind ashes and if you don't just play something else

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Nagash

Ikcen wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Ikcen wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Ikcen wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Oh no here we go again.

It is pretty easy, answer to my questions and I will say there is not a problem. What will you do if other players start to ks? Why here will be different from L2 and BDO?

why not use the forum search and find out yourself. I mean it's pretty easy to do.

Why should I. Use copy - paste if you are lazy. I doubt there are answers to my questions, as I already experienced how bad is that. This system means the OW PvP is actually forbidden, but you can be also trolled.

well if you don't like it don't play it. there are plenty of people here who do like the PvP behind ashes and if you don't just play something else

The problem my dear noob is, that there will not be PvP with the current system, at least OW PvP. And I notice you intentionally avoid the answers of my questions

Ok. to your question. if you can fight people anywhere in the open world then that's open-world PvP. Also my point was about new people making threads for things we have discussed for two years now.

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Tam Hawkins

Ikcen, I'm a OW pvp noob as you (unjustly or not) pressumed some others here are and I have a question.
Do you want open world PvP without any punishing mechanic for the one initiating PvP against an unwilling target or do you want another mechanic that replaces corruption?

I'm not against OW pvp existing but i (for personal reasons) want it limited and not 100% free.
I cannot stand the games where a max lvl player just strolls into a beginners area and slaugthers everyone (without consequenzes). And to be honest I see all of the examples you gave above somewhat similiar.
-someone else farming where you are farming is by no means a reason to kill that player. I have played many non pvp games and it was always possible to find arrangments with other players. If you want to kill them simply so that all is yours then corruption/a bounty/another mechanic should be expected.
-Taunting you to make you flag yourself. There are very few things I can immaging that would make me angry in a game (some exist of course) and while I am fast to blow a fuse a "yo Momma is..." joke will probably not lead to something like that. Killstealing if it exists in this game, maybe thought again there are ways to arrange yourself with other players. Some things they could do to be annoying is flashing their animations to make you unable to see but some games have options for that (FF14 had an option to only see your or your groups skill effects that helped with situations like that).

While I agree that making OW pvp extremly punishing will deter some players, making it 100% without any consiquences will deter even more.
I actually find the corruption system problematic as it puts an ambushed player into the situation where they are damaged and probably on cooldowns and then have to decide to just drop dead to "punish" their opponent or fight an opponent that has the advantage and probably let him get away with it.

Nagash

Ok then, tell me how much have you read into the corruption system or did you just hear about it in passing because every point you made has been debunked in every PvP thread before. You might want to look up facts before making such broad statements without any backing

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Tam Hawkins

Ikcen wrote: »

Tam Hawkins wrote: »

Ikcen, I'm a OW pvp noob as you (unjustly or not) pressumed some others here are and I have a question.

This is amazing statement Most games I played were with OW PvP. So since 2005 I play games with OW PvP. I even make a coursework about open world MMORPGs and the virtual models of competition and cooperation. This is serious. But yeah, probably I'm noob like you.

Ikcen, there might be a missunderstanding and I'm not sure if I expressed myself badly or if you have not read my first sentence very well (english is not my first language so it could be either).
I did not state that you are a OWpvp noob, I said that I'm a noob and I stated such because you accused others that disagreed with you were accused (by you) of beeing noobs.
That said I find it weird that you focus on the first part and even feel the need to bring up things that I could not even know (so they could have no influence on my past comment) nor can I verify them (so they contribute very little to any discussion).

Jamation

There seems to be a lot of miscommunication and a lot of misunderstanding, whether that be from language barriers or information barriers. Ikcen I think you've said how you feel about the PvP system and a number of people have responded. It doesn't seem like this is a productive discussion anymore and just seems like a a thread of personal attacks in order to support one side or the other. People have different opinions. People have different likes and dislikes. The game is nowhere near complete so who knows how things will change. Let's just chill and wait for the game.

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