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Mojottv

Noaani wrote: »

Mojottv wrote: »

My point being, your texts are too long, if you can't make your point in couple of sentences, its ur problem.

Don't join in on a 2.1k post thread if you aren't willing to read.

I will, and will read peoples posts that can make their point in fewer words, and will weigh in on the discussion. And people who talk the most usually don't have much to say, so im not bothered

Noaani

Mojottv wrote: »

And people who talk the most usually don't have much to say, so im not bothered

The fact that you think this probably has something to do with your adversity to reading.

Mojottv

Noaani wrote: »

Mojottv wrote: »

And people who talk the most usually don't have much to say, so im not bothered

The fact that you think this probably has something to do with your adversity to reading.

Yeah, well Dps meters sux, makes fame easier, shouldn't be in this game.

Noaani

Mojottv wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mojottv wrote: »

And people who talk the most usually don't have much to say, so im not bothered

The fact that you think this probably has something to do with your adversity to reading.

Yeah, well Dps meters sux, makes fame easier, shouldn't be in this game.

They will exist regardless.

Mojottv

Noaani wrote: »

Mojottv wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mojottv wrote: »

And people who talk the most usually don't have much to say, so im not bothered

The fact that you think this probably has something to do with your adversity to reading.

Yeah, well Dps meters sux, makes fame easier, shouldn't be in this game.

They will exist regardless.

So what? Murderers exist, doesn't mean murdering should be legal.

Noaani

Mojottv wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mojottv wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mojottv wrote: »

And people who talk the most usually don't have much to say, so im not bothered

The fact that you think this probably has something to do with your adversity to reading.

Yeah, well Dps meters sux, makes fame easier, shouldn't be in this game.

They will exist regardless.

So what? Murderers exist, doesn't mean murdering should be legal.

Jumping straight to murderers is a bit hyperbolic.

Tone it back a little bit.

Mojottv

Noaani wrote: »

Mojottv wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mojottv wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mojottv wrote: »

And people who talk the most usually don't have much to say, so im not bothered

The fact that you think this probably has something to do with your adversity to reading.

Yeah, well Dps meters sux, makes fame easier, shouldn't be in this game.

They will exist regardless.

So what? Murderers exist, doesn't mean murdering should be legal.

Jumping straight to murderers is a bit hyperbolic.

Tone it back a little bit.

thats the best answer you could come up with? Did u not understand the analogy?

Ok, crack exists and some people use it, doesn't mean it should be legal. Better?

Tragnar

there is 1 slight misunderstanding, meters are not a drug that might kill you, but it just information of what happened - that is more like news media

Mojottv

Tragnar wrote: »

there is 1 slight misunderstanding, meters are not a drug that might kill you, but it just information of what happened - that is more like news media

Omg...stuff just goes over your head doesnt it...read to what i was responding to, with this analogy, maybe u will understand then

Noaani

Mojottv wrote: »

Tragnar wrote: »

there is 1 slight misunderstanding, meters are not a drug that might kill you, but it just information of what happened - that is more like news media

Omg...stuff just goes over your head doesnt it...read to what i was responding to, with this analogy, maybe u will understand then

He was pointing out the same flaw in your analogy that I was - analogies need to have at least some resemblence to what is being talked about.

If you want to talk crime in regards to analogies with combat trackers, there is only one applicable that I can think of - insider trading.

Combat trackers provide people with information that they may be able to use to their advantage, which is what insider trading is, essentially.

Yes, there are laws against it, but there are also checks in place. The law doesn't prevent people from having the information in question, it just places limits on what they can do with that informaiton.

The proposal in this thread actually goes further than the laws on insider trading, as it not only limits what players can do with the information a combat tracker gives them, it also limits the information that can be obtained.

The fact that you don't know how analogies work shouldn't come as a surprise, I mean, it's just like how Volkswagon cheated the emmissions testing.

Tragnar

Mojottv wrote: »

Tragnar wrote: »

there is 1 slight misunderstanding, meters are not a drug that might kill you, but it just information of what happened - that is more like news media

Omg...stuff just goes over your head doesnt it...read to what i was responding to, with this analogy, maybe u will understand then

Yes I read it, your analogy clearly was promoting that using meters is such a severe action that it is comparable to illegal drug usage. Your entire point was about communicating that meters are bad

maouw

Tragnar wrote: »

Mojottv wrote: »

Tragnar wrote: »

there is 1 slight misunderstanding, meters are not a drug that might kill you, but it just information of what happened - that is more like news media

Omg...stuff just goes over your head doesnt it...read to what i was responding to, with this analogy, maybe u will understand then

Yes I read it, your analogy clearly was promoting that using meters is such a severe action that it is comparable to illegal drug usage. Your entire point was about communicating that meters are bad

@Tragnar he's making that comparison because DPS meters will be illegal 3rd party addons, which will be a bannable offense.

Kionashi

I believe DPS meters are unhealthy for the game because people will rely too much on that and instead of using the class they think is more fun they will be pressured into choosing the class with the highest DPS because party raids will not accept people who don't live to their "DPS standards"

Tragnar

@maouw I kinda agree that it is likely to eventually become bannable offense. However the only thing said about DPS meters so far is that they will not be possible to create for the game

maouw

Tragnar wrote: »

@maouw I kinda agree that it is likely to eventually become bannable offense. However the only thing said about DPS meters so far is that they will not be possible to create for the game

Sure, I'm just trying to explain that one person said, "DPS meters will exist anyways" <--- as 3rd party addons.
And the other person is saying "but murderering isn't ok" <--- 3rd party addons aren't planned for AoC

But yes, it's not adding anything to the discussion.

Mojottv

Tragnar wrote: »

Mojottv wrote: »

Tragnar wrote: »

there is 1 slight misunderstanding, meters are not a drug that might kill you, but it just information of what happened - that is more like news media

Omg...stuff just goes over your head doesnt it...read to what i was responding to, with this analogy, maybe u will understand then

Yes I read it, your analogy clearly was promoting that using meters is such a severe action that it is comparable to illegal drug usage. Your entire point was about communicating that meters are bad

My point was was if aoc doesnt allow meter and as your buddy said theres still gona be 3rd party meters anyway, doesnt mean that aoc should just allow them. Get the analogy now?

Mojottv

some people get it as i can see...

consultant

There were some talk about a testing area so that being the case.
Was thinking to have option like....

Target dummy that attacks and have choice of atack magical physical if it applies

Option to turn buffs on and off to see how they affect damage. Like lets say buff you usually get from priest.
Same thing with armour and debuffs and defensive abilities on the target dummy.

Option to make all cds one second that way you do not have to wait three to five minutes to test ability out.

And really good informative tool tips for abilities showing damage of ability and how it is calculated.

Aslo lets say there is a item that gives you 10 percent more hit points if item showed how many actual extra hit points you get. Sometimes it just affects base hit points and not say hit points you get from gems.

In summary if player had a clear understanding of how the game mechanics works to determine dps of heals or mitigating damage then that would be in my opinion just as good as dps meter.

Think this would be pretty good thing to have since there is a no dps meters policy.

Noaani

Tragnar wrote: »

I kinda agree that it is likely to eventually become bannable offense. However the only thing said about DPS meters so far is that they will not be possible to create for the game

Actually, they said they *think* they have eliminated *most* avenues data can be obtained for combat trackers to work.

Intrepid know perfectly well they can't get rid of all avenues, and so they won't even attempt to state otherwise.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with a combat tracker developers anonomously by a developer at Intrepid anyway - a lot of people there are on board with them, just not Steven.

Mojottv wrote: »

Tragnar wrote: »

Mojottv wrote: »

Tragnar wrote: »

there is 1 slight misunderstanding, meters are not a drug that might kill you, but it just information of what happened - that is more like news media

Omg...stuff just goes over your head doesnt it...read to what i was responding to, with this analogy, maybe u will understand then

Yes I read it, your analogy clearly was promoting that using meters is such a severe action that it is comparable to illegal drug usage. Your entire point was about communicating that meters are bad

My point was was if aoc doesnt allow meter and as your buddy said theres still gona be 3rd party meters anyway, doesnt mean that aoc should just allow them. Get the analogy now?

We all understand what you were trying to say, you just went with the wrong criminal act.

If you want to make an analogy, there needs to be more in common between the two things you are comparing than just "they are both against the rules". That isn't an analogy, that is just pulling any two things that are against the rules and lumping them in together. In this kind of analogy, you want the type of offending to be similar, the method for offending to be similar, and the consequences for offending to be similar.

Comparing combat tracker use in a game that may not even make it against the rules with actual murder does not fit this description, and so is a poor analogy to make.

Again, it isn't that we don't understand what you were trying to say, it is that the analogy you opted to use was poor.

Noaani

Kionashi wrote: »

I believe DPS meters are unhealthy for the game because people will rely too much on that and instead of using the class they think is more fun they will be pressured into choosing the class with the highest DPS because party raids will not accept people who don't live to their "DPS standards"

The problem is, the game will have a meta (the classes and builds players generally assume to be the best at any given role) regardless of if a combat tracker exists.

Archeage is a perfect example of this - 99% of the population didn't even know the game had a combat tracker, yet it has the most strict meta of any MMO other than WoW.

Worse than that, the meta is static due to no one being willing to change builds to try out new things. Go to AA now, and Darkrunners nad Daggerspells are still the main meta, just as they were in 2014.

I assume we don't want that for Ashes.

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