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And your first response was to call the idea stupid.
And your first response was to call the idea stupid.
And your first response was to call the idea stupid.
Yet you didn't comment on any of that discussion. You immediately called the idea stupid.
And your first response was to call the idea stupid. You really shouldn't be so quick to jump to a holier than thou posture.
You really shouldn't be so quick to jump to a holier than thou posture.
I simply think this would have been a much better way to comment to the OP. Admittedly it's much more wordy, but also much more respectful.
I'm not against the debate, or debates in general. I just believe we can have these debates in a more respectful way. If we want to change other players thoughts and ideas, lets present our counterarguments and not just call the ideas stupid. That's all I'm trying to say.
Like the argument @Noaani had in another thread on the idea of a mage running around dual-wielding shields and freecasting. I think that's a great argument against dual-wielding shields. Most people who want to dual-wield shields want to do so as tanks. Rarely do people think of all the other classes.
To quote the definition you presented on "stupid", I think seeing mages run around dual-wielding shields would be "annoying or irritating; troublesome". Mostly troublesome. Seems way too overpowered. Not to mention if dual-wielding shields ever became meta, how weird would it be to see everyone running around with shields? *cringe* I think if that ever happened, it would be terrible for the game.
Calling an idea stupid isn't a "holier than thou" stance, especially in the context of an idea that at the time had no supporters.
You can't be "holier than thou" when there is no one around to the that "thou".
Have we really gotten so thin-skinned that we can't suffer someone calling an idea stupid? Apologies, but neither I nor anyone else needs to respect any old idea someone chucks into a melee. The idea that every opinion is valid and is due equal consideration and respect is in and of itself stupid. It's not improper to attack an idea or denounce it.
To the original topic - no. I think dual-wielding shields is just dense in a game aiming for some level of realism. A shield isn't a weapon and isn't intended to be used as a weapon, it compliments one. The main arguments about 'allowing dual-wielding shield' mostly cropped up after Dark Souls let you do it. In the end, Dark Souls is a very silly game when it comes to just what it allows you to do, such as wielding shields twice your size or swords three times as tall as you are. AoC has stated from the start that they're not going to allow immersion breaking massive weapons, so why would they go on to add immersion breaking options that no actual warrior would consider?
This opinion also applies to people who want to wield a single shield with no weapon, and two-handed shields as another thread I saw on here. The ascetic is silly in the realm of medieval combat. Let that stuff stay in Dark Souls and Marvel Comics were it belongs.
Edit: Another thing about dual-wielding shields in Dark Souls - it was not ever intended to be an effective choice. It's something people did as a *challenge*, intentionally hampering themselves to make the game harder, as Dark Souls players are want to do. Most of the people advocating for dual-wielding shields are advocating what is already an intentionally sub-optimal choice in a different game to make it into a viable choice here. It's a stupid idea.
Wrong. Viking shields having metal rim around it is only prevalent in american fantasy and no archeological support. Vikings actually wanted enemy weapons to bite into and get stuck in their shields so they could have full control over the enemy etc.
The only metal on their shields was in the middle in terms of protecting their hands and use techniques such as shieldbash.
Im norwegian and learned tons about vikings please dont be that american or wherever ur from trying to lecture me about my my ppls history
But only after that I saw your avatar and it only confirms it ;D
A being can not judge light if he has never seen it, neither can he judge darkness if he never has been it
To be fair; that poster was just way off in general - and doesn't seem to understand the function of a shield outside of an MMO. It wasn't anything specific to Scandinavian people that they were off on.
A shield made out of just metal would either be too heavy to use or too thin to protect. Shields use wood as the major element, and most shields are designed to take control of an opponents weapon (as you have said) rather than to deflect an attack - the exception here being ranged attacks which many shields are curved to deflect. It was common for shields to be covered in cloth or leather, but metal was rarely used in shields - historically.
With the way this is strapped on, the stance that would be needed to bring these two halves together is just comical.
Also, the metal center of that shield is supposed to offer additional protection to the wearers hand and arm. It acts almost like a crumple zone on a car where - should it take a direct hit - the metal can collapse, thus absorbing a portion of the blow and not transferring it directly to the wielders hand/arm - which would break immediately otherwise.
If that is in the appropriate location to perform this function - if that is actually where it is strapped to the wielder - then each half of that shield would be horribly unbalanced. You would likely fall over if you start swinging it around to attempt to defend yourself with it.
For starters, im using photoshop as a tool to demonstrate the weapon idea's, so any artistic or realistic points are not reflected because I dont have the assets or the ability to make them. So if it seems like the design is lacking its because those things are not there to begin with.
You clearly dont like Dual sheilds and Shield weapons so maybe stop flooding the thread, and let others say their peice. Let the rest of us share our concepts without you talking down every idea because even though they might not put any of these ideas directly into the game, it might be a source of inspiration for something that does get put into the game that you might like.
If you are not trying to make dualwielding shields a viable combat gameplay then I have nothing against that
― Plato
2, I provided you with feedback. Rather than telling me to go away, perhaps listen to the feedback and try to do better.
3, This is a discussion forums, not a tell-the-people-that-disagree-with-you-to-go-away forum.
4, Me thinking the idea is stupid does not (or should not) stop people from sharing ideas.
5, If you want this to be even considered to be added to the game, you need collaboration. You need to convince at least some people that are against it to instead think the idea is ok. You won't get that if you tell people that don't like the idea to go away.
Savage.
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I have read again the whole thread just to double check. There was 1 guy that did a personal attack and was immediately called out for that. All of the remaining posts are attacking the idea, either ridiculing it or straight up calling it stupid.
Do you honestly intent to moderate this forum to safe space outlandish ideas and protect them from ridicule and labeling it being stupid?
Ideas can be dangerous and I view the topic idea of this thread very dangerous to this game. Especially when it directly goes against the design ideas for this game that were clearly communicated before from either Steven or the dev team?
― Plato
Well with that logic we might as well delete around 90% of the threads on this forum.....
Right now I'm seeing a trend in this thread, which is focusing more on insulting each other than debating and discussing the topic. So to stop this from slipping down into a full flame-fest I put the message out that anymore like that will result in the thread being closed.
That is all I have to say on the matter. Please go back to talking about dual shields and refrain from derailing the thread with insults and pointless flaming.
Can you please tell me where is this thread filled with insults and pointless flaming?
1 guy makes personal attack and now suddenly all of this thread is transformed from civilized criticism and ridicule to being insults and pointless flaming?
Why can't the fanbase in here express their resentment against other player ideas?
And nobody here wants this thread deleted. This whole thread is positive addition to the whole forum, because we can reject this idea.
Rejecting and ridiculing ideas is a negative interaction, but if you want to ban this interaction and delete threads with it I would call that action being toxic, because this transforms the forum into a circle***k festival where everyone just cheers to any idea.
I am glad that you want to protect people here from personal attacks - I support that, but ideas are not people.
Unless of course you are required to stop people from disagreeing here.
― Plato
Wandering Mist has stated that people here on this megathread are fine to have arguments and civil disagreements. You can have disagreements with anyone so long as it's related to dual shield topics. The personal attacks such as insults and pointless attacks are not allowed. It's a bit of a slippery slope and he's stopping it before it slides further from here on in.
I've created this megathread so folks wanting to discuss dual shields can talk about it here (especially from Discord as well), and have civil arguments over it so long as that doesn't derail into personal attacks.
There are far more important topics to discuss imo.
No one is stopping anyone from doing that.
Someone posted a picture, I pointed out the issues with it from the perspective of someone against it, that person got all upset.
Just because someone's feels are all hurt because someone on the internet gave them feedback, doesn't mean anyone is trying to stop them talking - if anything that is trying to help.
People need to be a whole lot less precious.