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Will Dwarf designs get beefier and wider?

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  • SongcallerSongcaller Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    The best thing about warhammer dwarves is the fact you can paint them how you want them.
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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited May 2021
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    I think we both know where we agree and disagree by now. We also both know that the game is pretty outstanding so far. If I don't like the final dwarfs that is fine. I know there is so much more I like about the game already.
    Haha. No, I don't know.
    Because I agree with you that the Dünir armor concept art looks good and should be the goal.
    And then you counter me by saying the Dünir should be beefier and wider.
    But, that's fine we can give it a rest for a while.
  • YuyukoyayYuyukoyay Member
    The lore is being written from complete scratch. So I don't expect them to change that much. These are Ashes dwarves and not dwarves of other series. It's also Alpha. I don't really expect them to stay exactly the same as well. Sometimes companies do model touch ups before beta or release.
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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Exactly.
  • maouwmaouw Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Petition to rename Dwarves to Gnomes!
    :p

    I think it's just the hip size, or something about the proportions that needs a tweak.
    Maybe do some photoshopping on the image and see what feels weird.
    I wish I were deep and tragic
  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    How am I not letting people vote their opinions?
    I shared an observation. That does not stop people from voting or sharing opinions.
    And I will continue to share my observations in this thread since that's what the forums are for.
  • RocketFarmerRocketFarmer Member, Alpha Two
    If you want to go really old school pre-Tolkien folk lore. Invisible dwarves. Then it doesn’t really matter what they look like.

    Pathfinder dwarves had 2/3rds the movement of humans. So frustrating.
  • Uncommon SenseUncommon Sense Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Early polling suggests a change is desirable by a significant margin...
  • YuyukoyayYuyukoyay Member
    Uncommon Sense wrote: »
    Early polling suggests a change is desirable by a significant margin...

    Doesn't always mean that change is the right course of action for the game either depending on how the overall style of the game is.
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  • RocketFarmerRocketFarmer Member, Alpha Two
    edited May 2021
    I would say provide options for the players to create the visual appearance of the character as long as it is within the general concept. Are broad, stocky dwarves outside the concept or are the dwarves shown so far just representative of the choices of the developer players?

    If you notice the humans you don’t see many muscular or fat humans so it’s most likely the model body types are generic or haven’t been completely fleshed out. We’ll see.
  • Uncommon SenseUncommon Sense Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    no it doesn't.

    But if you want to appeal to a broader consumer base and have a higher likely profit window. then It would probably be in your best interest to acknowledge what the segment desires.
  • VhaeyneVhaeyne Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Uncommon Sense wrote: »
    no it doesn't.

    But if you want to appeal to a broader consumer base and have a higher likely profit window. then It would probably be in your best interest to acknowledge what the segment desires.
    I agree.

    The game is niche enough as is with an Open World and Risk vs Reward focus(Something I love). Having interpretations of races that don't align with fan desires is not going to make the game more profitable. I just want the game to succeed.

    I don't want a bad creative take on a race to hold the game back. If my heart was in it, I would rant about Star Trek Discovery's Klingons. I will save us all the rant. The takeaway from that would be is sometimes it might be worth it to make your fans happy.
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    If I had more time, I would write a shorter post.
  • Spontancous6Spontancous6 Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Please, yes.
  • MarcetMarcet Member
    Shouldn't be too hard to apply, if you can do a slider for body parts customization, you can do this much easier.
  • ShergrimShergrim Member
    only elves and Dygz on multiple accounts are voting no
  • ShergrimShergrim Member
    its possible they'll add sliders and allow you to change ur size considerably but i dont want to wait for alpha2,beta,1, beta2 to see if they do, i'd rather a change be done now or asap rather than leaving it to chance!
  • bloodprophetbloodprophet Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Sometime all popular opinion means is all the fools are on the same side.
    Most people never listen. They are just waiting on you to quit making noise so they can.
  • ShergrimShergrim Member
    bloodprophet wrote: »
    Sometime all popular opinion means is all the fools are on the same side.

    you're an even bigger fool if you think that's the case here
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Shergrim wrote: »
    bloodprophet wrote: »
    Sometime all popular opinion means is all the fools are on the same side.

    you're an even bigger fool if you think that's the case here

    No one ever thinks they are on the fools side.
  • Uncommon SenseUncommon Sense Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    So we're all fools know are we? last time I checked even fools pay monthly subscription fees.

    How is shaming a constructive argument anyway. If a majority express a shared constructive criticism and the only rebuttal is mocking intelligence while being provided with facts and logic...who is really the fool?
  • ShergrimShergrim Member
    we're fools for wanting dwarves to look like dwarves, imagine that!
  • AsgerrAsgerr Member, Alpha Two
    edited May 2021
    Dygz wrote: »
    I have never stated that people must stop anything.

    I have stated that Ashes Dwarves are not from Middle Earth so citing what Dwarves from Middle Earth don't do is meaningless. The problem is that you take flavor text for Ashes Dwarves that cite some similar traits to Middle Earth Dwarves and then jump to the false conclusion that Ashes Dwarves are intended to be 100% Middle Earth Dwarves. And I didn't then state, thus they should stay as they are, rather I said it's OK for them to stay as they are.

    I think what we see in the current Dünir armor concept art looks good and does not need to be changed.
    I think the Dwarves we currently see in the Alpha are surprisingly small but are not skinny and do not look like Gnomes or Halflings. They look like diminutive Dwarves.

    I do think the Dwarves in the Dünir armor concept art look similar to EQ/EQ2 Dwarves so, they are OK.
    I also think there are thousands of EQ/EQ2 fans following Ashes who feel the Dwarves in the Dünir armor concept art look OK.
    And, I'm pretty sure the Ashes devs are confident enough that those thousands of EQ/EQ2 followers are enough to not be worried about changing the base Dünir to look like beefy and wide Warhammer Dwarves, so it's unlikely we will see that drastic of a change - even with whatever poll numbers you garner, so, I hope you won't be overly irate if they ignore your poll and the base model looks like the Dünir armor concept art.


    Steven wants feedback on everything. We don't disagree.
    But, Steven also said that the game would release 2018. It's now 2021.
    Steven is still learning about the negative impacts of being too transparent, too early.
    At some point, concepts have to be locked down enough that you aren't causing severe delays in the sedule by rethinking and revamping features and assets that were implemented a while ago. Otherwise, there is a strong likelihood of the game becoming vaporware.
    So... what I said is don't expect the base models to become much wider. Do not expect them to become as wide as the Warhammer Dwarves in the video Nerror posted. And, if they do make that drastic of a change, expect a severe delay in release. Vhaeyne and I agree. You and I do not agree.

    When you say "In the concept art, they clearly look like a lot of other dwarves from x or y mythology/series" I don't know which concept art your referring to.
    I have repeatedly stated, "expect the Dünir to look like the Dwarves in the Ashes concept art, especially the most recent concept art. And when I say that people respond with, 'No. In that concept art they look like Gnomes; not Dwarves!"
    If you think the Dwarves in the Dünir armor concept art that Vhaeyne said is perfect clearly look like a lot of other Dwarves from other franchises and mythologies, we agree. If you think that concept art looks like a Halfling/Gnome rather than a Dwarf, we disagree.

    We don't know what most people following Ashes feel about how the Dwarves currently look in the character creator. We also don't know what most people following Ashes feel about the concept art Vhayene said is perfect. You are just making an unsubstantiated assertion.
    But, Steve and the devs probably know better than we do. And if they felt most people didn't like the concept art that Vhaeyne says is perfect, we would already be seeing concept art that looks like the Warhammer Dwarves (in the video that Nerrod says he's partial to).

    You think a lot, but back little of it.

    Polls seems to indicate few of those thousands seem to exist or are voting to not have them changed
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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Shergrim wrote: »
    we're fools for wanting dwarves to look like dwarves, imagine that!

    I wouldn't say that - you want what you want.

    However, I would say you are fools for wanting Verra and the IP around this game (which is likely not going to be limited to Ashes) to be the same as every other Tolkinesque IP.

    If you don't like the way Dwarves look, play a different race.

    If you only play Dwarves, then I would simply attribute that as a second reason for being a fool.
  • AsgerrAsgerr Member, Alpha Two
    Imagine not wanting all of the races to look cool regardless of what race you're gonna main.

    Such a weak mindset.

    If every race looks cool > more people wanna play the races > more people will play the game > more people will play the game for longer > mo' money for Intrepid
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  • VhaeyneVhaeyne Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Can we all agree that dwarfs are stubborn at least?
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    If I had more time, I would write a shorter post.
  • TincaTinca Member
    I was so happy when I discovered this thread!

    I'm also a bit bummed out by the dwarf character models. I´ve always played dwarves in both MMOs aswell as single player RPGs. Right now, the models look to thin, soft and flat. I like my dwarves thick, wide and strong.

    Since Intrepid seems to listen to the community, I had to login just to state my opinion.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Asgerr wrote: »
    Imagine not wanting all of the races to look cool regardless of what race you're gonna main.
    Who said this?
  • ShergrimShergrim Member
    edited May 2021
    Noaani wrote: »
    Shergrim wrote: »
    we're fools for wanting dwarves to look like dwarves, imagine that!

    I wouldn't say that - you want what you want.

    However, I would say you are fools for wanting Verra and the IP around this game (which is likely not going to be limited to Ashes) to be the same as every other Tolkinesque IP.

    If you don't like the way Dwarves look, play a different race.

    If you only play Dwarves, then I would simply attribute that as a second reason for being a fool.

    one read of the bloody dwarves wiki page and you'll get your answer - the dunir are closer to tolkien dwarves than any other by the sounds of it!

    i've only ever really played dwarves..that said i'm rolling a human 100% if the dwarf model stays the same, and same for most people i assume.. like asgerr says it's beneficial for the devs to create a race people want to play no?
  • ShergrimShergrim Member
    edited May 2021
    Noaani wrote: »
    Asgerr wrote: »
    Imagine not wanting all of the races to look cool regardless of what race you're gonna main.
    Who said this?

    you did..indirectly..by not wanting them to be changed. you have to be blind to think they look cool right now.
  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited May 2021
    Asgerr wrote: »
    Polls seems to indicate few of those thousands seem to exist or are voting to not have them changed
    Probably because the people who are fine with the Dwarves are less likely to even participate in the (poorly-worded, biased) poll.
    How many thousands have voted so far?

    I guess Intrepid said that they will change the base model of the Dunir if that poll hits xxx number of support.
    How close are you to reaching that target number Intrepid said you have to hit to trigger the change?
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