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Especially not in Ashes.
now comes this : https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/53171/cosmetic-shop-is-p2w#latest
Whenever You Can Buy Something, That Something No Longer Matters
https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxJjJLg_KLSNOV0WCTEpGsAR6ZYlEcqXJg
How many of you guys were proud of the first character that you got to max level in an MMO? Let me ask you another question... Would you feel the same way if you just knew that somebody else standing right next to you, at the same level that you are, bought it?
Whenever you can buy something... that something no longer matters. That's why I don't care about TCG mounts or store mounts in my Mount Offs. It's not impressive to me that somebody has a Swift Spectral Tiger. Wow! You have ten thousand dollars... Congratulations! That doesn't mean [poop] to me.
This is My Opinion...It's Subjective
I want to make sure everybody understands this... This is my opinion. It's completely arbitrary. There is no like... this is not written on one of the tablets on the side of the [frickin'] mountain... that God wrote the Ten Commandments next to. This is my arbitrary line in the sand that I draw. It's subjective. The thing is once you abstract things enough, having a computer becomes Pay to Win. Buying the game becomes Pay to Win. So I'm not looking for an endless [Russian Nesting Dolls] of like [fricking] abstractions to obfuscate the conversation. Let's watch the video. People willingly misunderstand what I'm saying in order to try to catch me in some sort of logical fallacy.
https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxybVdbKi-Jlb5DbGc7TImb7NXXaIYvp3h
Both Answers Are Right... It All Depends on How You Define Pay 2 Win
A lot of people take sides in this argument, and feel fully vindicated in saying that Lost Ark is Pay to Win or Lost Ark is not Pay to Win. But here's the thing... Both answers are right. It all depends on how you define Pay to Win. So when you see two people or more arguing about a game like this being Pay to Win, make sure they've at least agreed upon the definition first because 99% of the time they're arguing from different platforms... and they're both right, so neither of them is gonna back down. So anyway, that's where we are.
https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxHU6z0BlAMti6HshDydu_yZq0Vc-AYubm
Just a funny video but still relevant to the conversation and kinda ties everything together...
Like I already said before in prior replies, I understand that some people have no qualms with a cosmetic store in AoC. And I totally respect that... But that doesn't take away the fact that some players feel the store impacts their playing experience in a negative way.
I enjoy his content I have no issues with him lol. I can understand hoe people feels the experience is lessoned when you can buy stuff from the shop. Im sure everyone understands that but that isn't the issue at hand.
The issue is changing your look with money being called P2W. That being the focus of the discussion and being used makes people question or combat why they are saying it. If you use a buzzword you get the strong reaction you are aiming for. Which prevents a actual discussion even more so when you triple down on it.
No, we cant let this die.
We needed azhrae and her meaningless posts to give this topic a second wind. She supported the OP (who was shamelessly attacked from all these bored people for 14 pages just for being annoying for her title choice) and now this can reach another 14. Just to be a contrarian she gave this topic the fresh breath it needed right when it was about to die.
People should be embarrashed. Azhrae for her level of pretentiousness and everybody else for buckling under her fluff, not calling her out, rather tippy-toeing around pseudo-philosophical meanings of p2w.
I gotta say, the change of language by some people here when addressing the OP and when addressing the crap azhrae brought into this is striking.
This is one more of those topics that shows that gamers deserved the lip service of previous studios and the lack of communication. Why? Because people act like a circus online.
What matters is how Intrepid define it.
Say what?
I agree with you that they have the right to do whatever they want with their game. I'm also allowed to have an opinion and it doesn't bother me how popular or unpopular it may be.
I called her out on it and even tried to explain but there is only so much I can do. I'm looking through the old thread trying to find out why azhrae suddenly swapped sides and how to burn this thread down like the last one.
You are allowed your own opinion - but only on subjective things.
You are not allowed your own opinion on objective things.
The meaning behind Intrepids statements in regards to pay to win are objective, not subjective.
People are allowed to hold the opinion that they do not like that objective reality, that is fine. However, they are not allowed to have the opinion that intrepid meant to say something that Intrepid did not say.
Since you are going to insult me again....I gotta bring that fire with Natasha
This is the most real you have ever been, i almost want to recruit you since I can see the evil in your heart. You would make a good pvper.
Until you provide a legitimate argument, I will repeat my previous statement. Your entire argument is based on how you feel, not on how the game is designed. Your argument would be relevant if the games design for winning was based on specific cosmetics to collect or collecting them all. Your personal interests and goals mean nothing in the grand scheme of an established design of a games world mechanics if they do not align with each other.
That being said, this quoted comment by you leaves me no choice but to purchase another cosmetic purely for the sake of being petty.
Glad you agree so blatantly.
Also, that’s not something you “embrace,” opinions are opinions and typically aren’t right or wrong unless you are speaking from a moral standpoint.
Lastly, I find that hard to believe considering your picture alone is someone in a cheap wig sticking a game controller up their nose while staring off into the distance mouth agape.
It's thanks to people like you and comments like the one you wrote that I have inspiration to make more memes, thank you sincerely