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Appearance collection and character expression or “dress up” is not just graphics it is an actual gameplay mechanic.
Wrong. Your level effects your stats and your cosmetics dont. I dont care if a lvl 1 has the very coolest pants on. Their pants dont effect my interactions with them
By definition it is not. It is an influence on appearance(graphics) not action(gameplay)
It is something to do, its not a mechanic. The mechanic would be how you equip or use said items.
So basically your whole point of starting a public thread, on a forum, which by definition is public, was for you to have your whole platform and expected no one to take issue with what you're saying?
And if someone counters the very basis of your premise: Cosmetics = P2W, by indicating that P2W has a concrete definition that you're altering to fit your own premise? You just dismiss it as "You haven't read my post."
Here's a counter perspective (since you've taken a liking to the concept): they all read your post, found a fault with the very basis of your premise and called it out, tearing your whole argument apart in a single stroke.
Yeah that might be a better comparison if they did described armour. I don't know of any that do that though.
I've only ever seen purchases for different coloured text / titles. Usually as a one-off payment to apply.
Would you also consider it p2w given what little effect it has?
I'm just trying to gauge the scope of what counts as p2w since cosmetics can be extremely minor or might be only short durations like Vindictus or other Korean MMORPGs with 7-day limited costumes.
Verisimilitude (noun)
1. the appearance or semblance of truth; genuineness; authenticity: The play lacked verisimilitude
2. something, as an assertion, having merely the appearance of truth
I could segue into how Iridianny's counterpoint mirrors the social behaviors in something like Instagram, but that's a whole other OT thread.
In a social game, it does. You are projecting your perspective of only caring about numbers onto everyone else. Actually a lot of people talk to others based on their appearances irl and in game.
Name one aspect of the game where someone having cooler pants than me causes me to "lose" and them to "win"
… I disagree. If it wasn’t a mechanic why would they bother make so many variants of skins and potentially a transmog system to apply said skins? Collection is a game mechanic they are profiting off of.
You are now disregarding the DEFINITION of mechanic............
Nope! Just was to share a counter perspective. Sorry I don’t care if I necessarily convince anyone, but I never said I didn’t expect others disagreeing. My post explains how that “very concrete” definition applies to cosmetics.
Uhm like I said the sense of “winning” is subjective.
Oh hello mr. Kettle, meet mr. Pot, he says you're black.
Your character... not a mechanic. Trees? Not a mechanic. Pants? Not a mechanic. Water? Not a mechanic. The things those things can do????? Mechanics. So a skin... its only mechanic, is changing what you look like.
I don’t know for sure. I’d have to play the game and be in the community to know what affect text color has.
Except you're complete twisting the definition. Nobody cares for your personal definition. There a singular truth. Let us all stick to it if we want to have an actual argument.
-loses an arena match- ha. You may have bested me in battle. But those pants with that helmet? You have lost the war!
No I’m not?
And I have despised and hated transmog for as long as I've known of its existence, exactly because it stands in the way of me showing my stats rather than some piece of pixelclump on my character.
And as for "everyone playing dress up", yes, everyone does because that's how the games have been for the past forever. Not a single game dared to go completely against the industry standard of "the best gameplay gear should also look the best" (well outside of the sleezy games that want to suck you dry of your irl money).
And you know which parallel one could draw from that? The parallel of Intrepid not wanting to go against the entire industry that has decided to sell cosmetics. Now they obviously have to stick true to their promise of "in-game best gear will look better than any store cosmetic", but we can only know if they did on release, so arguing about that particular point would be useless rn.
Nah not if they are all achievable through the in game mechanic of appearance collection not purchasable. Though I don’t like transmog, that’s for different reasons.
P2w has nothing to do with the "*****"*"*"*"**"sense"**"***"*"**"*" of wining. Its about one player haveing an upperhand on another player. And the look of ones gear, does not cause that.... unless you have situations you can share woth me that i dont know about.... i know in a game like club penguin cosmetics were everything... but i think those types of situations would be silly to bring up here.
Your character is the game. See the original post for the explanation of this.
Pretty sure 99% of people play RPGs like this.
Ganna quote this again because I think you passed over it.
Man.... Im starting to realize im the stupid one for even trying to reason with you.
Lets use this video example to explain gameplay vs graphics.
The gameplay mechanics are the stats of each item.
The graphics are how each one looks.
They are not the same
Singular truth doesn’t work in our day and age, buddy life is full of perspectives. Now I looked up the definition of pay to win before I posted this and it all seems fairly subjective. Regardless, I based my post off the consensus and how it can be applied.