Open world raids

@Tyrantor
tbh it is actually becoming quite amusing to read your efforts for caricaturing our concerns ngl

Their definition of PvX is "Safe place to farm epic loots and I can PvP after my loot is safe".

Tyrantor wrote: »

Oh good another one of you has chimed in so far 0/2 in agreement of epic instanced content? @CaptnChuck feel free to keep reading my post, are you able to concede those 3 points so I can champion this great crusade of instanced PvE?

@Tyrantor

1/4 suggestions had 50% instancing, which I clearly stated was a highly controversial solution. Another had specialized instancing mechanics, which guess what, existed in L2; the game that Steven is taking most of his inspiration from. The other 2 didn't involve ANY instancing whatsoever.

You're just good at misunderstanding others and being wrong half the time. Stick to it and avoid typing, cuz you have nothing valuable to add to a discussion.

@Tyrantor
Nobody ever said that. It is actually intended in the game that you could gank us when we are trying to get the loot back to town. I have literally no problem with defending the loot we get inside raids. What I have problem with is that anyone is free to gank in any numbers before the boss dies

I'll take that as proof you only want instances for safe epic loot hunts. Confirmed. Thank you.

Bricktop

Tragnar wrote: »

@Tyrantor
Nobody ever said that. It is actually intended in the game that you could gank us when we are trying to get the loot back to town. I have literally no problem with defending the loot we get inside raids. What I have problem with is that anyone is free to gank in any numbers before the boss dies

I'm sorry to tell you but some of the bosses in Ashes WILL have this as a possibility so start wrapping your brain around it. I'm sure some of the bosses won't and will have lockout mechanics as well.

@Bricktop I am perfectly fine if SOME of the bosses have a constant threat from ganks and wipes. What I am not fine is if ALL the bosses are under the threat from ganks and wipes

Tragnar wrote: »

@Tyrantor
Nobody ever said that. It is actually intended in the game that you could gank us when we are trying to get the loot back to town. I have literally no problem with defending the loot we get inside raids. What I have problem with is that anyone is free to gank in any numbers before the boss dies

Before the boss dies, after the boss dies, while the boss is taking a shit? What is the difference? Seriously? You either want game content that challenges you in PvE or you want loot content from the safety of an instance. If you can die and lose the loot AFTER the boss dies what is the difference, if they interrupt you? If you can't lose the loot after the boss dies then it's just free loot in instanced PvE with zero risk of loss, which is not open world any longer.

Tyrantor wrote: »

I'll take that as proof you only want instances for safe epic loot hunts. Confirmed. Thank you.

@Tyrantor

Thankyou for confirming my point about you being an idiot and not being able to add anything valuable to a discussion.

When you're wrong, its easy to make stupid remarks like this and escape admitting that you're incorrect. But that's exactly what you are. A spineless worm. Thankyou once again for stepping upto that identity.

Bricktop

CaptnChuck wrote: »

Tyrantor wrote: »

I'll take that as proof you only want instances for safe epic loot hunts. Confirmed. Thank you.

@Tyrantor

Thankyou for confirming my point about you being an idiot and not being able to add anything valuable to a discussion.

You're wrong and its easy to make stupid remarks and escape being incorrect. But I'm not going to let you off of it.

You are so silly.

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when all you ever do is call everybody who disagrees with you stupid? Honest question.

Feel free to comment on my points specific to instanced PvE with no loot otherwise it's 100% I know exactly what i'm talking about and you're just avoiding the point because it proves your just here for safe loot and not safe PVE.

Bricktop wrote: »

CaptnChuck wrote: »

Tyrantor wrote: »

I'll take that as proof you only want instances for safe epic loot hunts. Confirmed. Thank you.

@Tyrantor

Thankyou for confirming my point about you being an idiot and not being able to add anything valuable to a discussion.

You're wrong and its easy to make stupid remarks and escape being incorrect. But I'm not going to let you off of it.

You are so silly.

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when all you ever do is call everybody who disagrees with you stupid? Honest question.

Look in the mirror.

And, he wasn't disagreeing with me. He was in fact coming at me whenever we had a discussion. Talk shit get hit.

@Tyrantor
The answer is simple. No game EVER has created a challenging open world bosses when the boss fight could be influenced by PvP. The PvE challenge was always laughably easy by coordinated players when there was no PvP going around - basically just free loot box that takes 5-15minutes to open

I am completely fine if the boss loot (the hunting certificates) are in PvP danger after you finish the boss and are transporting the loot to town. What I do not want is for that PvP to happen DURING the boss fight. The difficulty of the fight always suffers and it becomes just a place for another giant PvP battle

Tyrantor wrote: »

I know exactly what i'm talking about

Nope, you don't. I can see it from your responses in my thread relating to PvE difficulty. You were incorrect there too. Not just about caravans, but about my whole post in general. You refused to read any solution past the 3rd one, which happened to also be the one that I clearly stated was controversial, and you paraded the 3rd one as the one and only solution that I wanted to see being implemented into the game.

Looks like I've won... I'll wait for Noaami to confirm he's not in for not loot as long as he gets difficult "challenging" PvE but considering 2 of 3 have already proven it's about loot and not the challenge, pretty sure I can take my bow now.

Guess you boys can always buy that epic loot from a crafter, auction house (if available in your area) and of course some free hold/trade market.

Wow, do you even know how will the gear work?

If you want to have the best gear, then you need to have loot from raids. And all we want is that ALL bosses are "challenging" without any regard to PvP.

All it seems that you are asking for are piss easy training dummies with a lot of hp so it takes a few minutes to kill and distribute loot for your PvP battles. Am I wrong?
@Tyrantor

Orlando2

I don't really think anyone cares how hard an NPC is.

Its proven in other games where AI played against itself for 300+ years worth of play time and still got outsmarted and beaten by humans.

Orlando wrote: »

I don't really think anyone cares how hard an NPC is.

Its proven in other games where AI played against itself for 300+ years worth of play time and still got outsmarted and beaten by humans.

What you are referring to must be in a PvP setting with equal footing. Which can hardly applied to MMO PvE encounters that are scripted in such a way to give multiple dangers for wipe and essentially being a benchmark for how good the raid is.

I don't think that raids should be unbeatable, but in my opinion it would be shameful if any raid group could fully clear any AoC raid on the first night the nodes managed to open it

Orlando2

Tragnar wrote: »

I don't think that raids should be unbeatable, but in my opinion it would be shameful if any raid group could fully clear any AoC raid on the first night the nodes managed to open it

I don't think any raid will be killed on the first night. Unless its a low level one and gets zerged down, then easy.