PenguinPaladin wrote: » Leiloni wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Leiloni wrote: » All of those sets you linked only look good one one of the two sexes. This part right here, this precise part is the part where you have to understand that this is entirely your opinion in every way and that giving you what you want is not as good (in total) as doing what FFXIV does. And this is the ONLY reason I hope Intrepid ignores your opinion, not even your desire. I hope they make lots of gear. I hope they make it fit both approx the same, and I hope they make something that you like on your female character. But I absolutely do not hope that 'the equivalent of the Female Bale Set in FFXIV' looks different because you happen to not like full plate armor. EDIT: Out of curiosity actually, which of the two Hattori ones is 'correct' to you? I don't want unisex armor. I mean, sorry... but the monthly cosmetics already show a lot of unisex armor sets.
Leiloni wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Leiloni wrote: » All of those sets you linked only look good one one of the two sexes. This part right here, this precise part is the part where you have to understand that this is entirely your opinion in every way and that giving you what you want is not as good (in total) as doing what FFXIV does. And this is the ONLY reason I hope Intrepid ignores your opinion, not even your desire. I hope they make lots of gear. I hope they make it fit both approx the same, and I hope they make something that you like on your female character. But I absolutely do not hope that 'the equivalent of the Female Bale Set in FFXIV' looks different because you happen to not like full plate armor. EDIT: Out of curiosity actually, which of the two Hattori ones is 'correct' to you? I don't want unisex armor.
Azherae wrote: » Leiloni wrote: » All of those sets you linked only look good one one of the two sexes. This part right here, this precise part is the part where you have to understand that this is entirely your opinion in every way and that giving you what you want is not as good (in total) as doing what FFXIV does. And this is the ONLY reason I hope Intrepid ignores your opinion, not even your desire. I hope they make lots of gear. I hope they make it fit both approx the same, and I hope they make something that you like on your female character. But I absolutely do not hope that 'the equivalent of the Female Bale Set in FFXIV' looks different because you happen to not like full plate armor. EDIT: Out of curiosity actually, which of the two Hattori ones is 'correct' to you?
Leiloni wrote: » All of those sets you linked only look good one one of the two sexes.
Azherae wrote: » I feel like they have a much lower bar for 'unisex' than some of us.
Leiloni wrote: » Azherae wrote: » I feel like they have a much lower bar for 'unisex' than some of us. If the style is the same for male vs female it's unisex.
Azherae wrote: » Leiloni wrote: » Azherae wrote: » I feel like they have a much lower bar for 'unisex' than some of us. If the style is the same for male vs female it's unisex. Yes sorry, that's why I put it in quotes. I mostly just wanted to understand your perspective to see if there was some chance I could agree with it, maybe I misunderstood you or something. But you've made it very clear that you have opinions on the 'masculinity' and 'femininity' of shoulderpads, colors, and I'll also assume helmets and boots. So now I'm completely sure that I disagree with you and that I don't misunderstand you. Again, I truly hope that you do get something you want. Unless that 'something you want' is to prevent male characters from wearing https://ffxiv.eorzeacollection.com/gearset/dancers In which case I must vehemently object.
Barbalhovack wrote: » Sybil_Lanel wrote: » As a Female MMO gamer I would like to suggest giving more effeminate options in armor styles. My concern is that I would like to have the option for dressing effeminately. The reason I am suggesting to make it optional is so people can dress as feminine or masculine or neutral as the player choses. This aids players self expression. Different armor styles as well as jewelry and makeup would be very helpful in this goal. I understand that you would like to keep things on the more practical side but this could be stifling to the communities creativity. Self expression and fashion is very important to me as a player I would like as many options as possible in creating my character. it's not enough to have a bust, a female expression rig would be really fun because women have different behavior than men and that makes them feminine features, their delicate movements, their grace and sweetness can all be applied using motion capture, Steven take a minute to analyze the feedback.
Sybil_Lanel wrote: » As a Female MMO gamer I would like to suggest giving more effeminate options in armor styles. My concern is that I would like to have the option for dressing effeminately. The reason I am suggesting to make it optional is so people can dress as feminine or masculine or neutral as the player choses. This aids players self expression. Different armor styles as well as jewelry and makeup would be very helpful in this goal. I understand that you would like to keep things on the more practical side but this could be stifling to the communities creativity. Self expression and fashion is very important to me as a player I would like as many options as possible in creating my character.
Leiloni wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Leiloni wrote: » Azherae wrote: » I feel like they have a much lower bar for 'unisex' than some of us. If the style is the same for male vs female it's unisex. Yes sorry, that's why I put it in quotes. I mostly just wanted to understand your perspective to see if there was some chance I could agree with it, maybe I misunderstood you or something. But you've made it very clear that you have opinions on the 'masculinity' and 'femininity' of shoulderpads, colors, and I'll also assume helmets and boots. So now I'm completely sure that I disagree with you and that I don't misunderstand you. Again, I truly hope that you do get something you want. Unless that 'something you want' is to prevent male characters from wearing https://ffxiv.eorzeacollection.com/gearset/dancers In which case I must vehemently object. I think armor should be designed in a way that makes sense for that piece of armor. This for example the male and female have different styles to fit each better, but it's still the same overall type of look - But this one is the same and that's also fine. The outfit looks good on both of them and more importantly, makes sense for the style of outfit that it is - This however doesn't make sense. The concept artist made no attempt to even show the female form. Her body looks exactly like the male in every way. No boobs, no hips. And why does one have a hood and one doesn't? I'd prefer the outfit for the female be more close fitting to actually show her body. Then some design elements make no sense for a female, such as the top coming down over the thighs and splitting in the middle. You see that in a lot of male armor but it feels too bulky and seems to have no purpose for the female. And the crisscross straps across the chest? That's uncomfortable with boobs and in real life, we avoid it when possible. Further, it doesn't seem to serve any purpose on this set for either of them. As for your FFXIV Dancer outfit it's fine. The look in general is a bit too silly for my personal tastes, but the design makes sense for both.
Leiloni wrote: » Here's another one of those sets (the purple chain set) in both male vs female -
NishUK wrote: » For a game relying on cosmetics on an equal or potentially better level to subscription.... Intreprid does not make the best shit @B_B_Z not surprised at all that you would dodge my earlier post, given that you artistry tastes are only sided toward the side of practicality. This goes even further beyond the tight constraints of LotR fantasy, the exceptional fighters and casters did not wear absolutely everything. People in most cases want their character to stand out, Intreprid is not showing that and with their recent Dwarf cosmetics revealed, we are pawns on a chess board, not characters who can potentially shape the course of the world.
JamesSunderland wrote: » It's so weird to see how some people try to push their personal subjective design opinion as a universal empirical concept.... Completely disregarding and dispising any design that deviate from their ideal as if all designs should just be the way they want for the sake of things like "realism"(in a fantasy setting) with no possibility of variety and creativity.
Azherae wrote: » JamesSunderland wrote: » It's so weird to see how some people try to push their personal subjective design opinion as a universal empirical concept.... Completely disregarding and dispising any design that deviate from their ideal as if all designs should just be the way they want for the sake of things like "realism"(in a fantasy setting) with no possibility of variety and creativity.
Leiloni wrote: » Given how hideous this months cosmetic armor is I feel like this is a perfect time to come back to this discussion. For anyone who hasn't seen this month's armor set yet, here it is -
Dolyem wrote: » Can we all at least agree that Stuffertons was a mistake and we should all KoS anyone riding one?
Azherae wrote: » Well, I believe it really comes down to that, doesn't it? You don't like what you consider unisex armor. For me (and again maybe Intrepid), that isn't even the way to think about it. Armor is armor. You look good in what you think you look good in. I hope you get some glamor sets once they are past the main crop of cosmetics. As for your current problem, remember that cosmetics we buy right now are actually 'designs for NPCs' and if Intrepid's design scope is similar to FF games where the NPCs don't have 'sexed' armor, then we probably won't see any 'explicitly' different ones for a while. And then we'd have to define what that is. I don't expect them to change much given this, but I hope you get something cool to wear from later cosmetics.
Leiloni wrote: » But this one is the same and that's also fine. The outfit looks good on both of them and more importantly, makes sense for the style of outfit that it is -
Leiloni wrote: » This however doesn't make sense. The concept artist made no attempt to even show the female form. Her body looks exactly like the male in every way. No boobs, no hips. And why does one have a hood and one doesn't? I'd prefer the outfit for the female be more close fitting to actually show her body. Then some design elements make no sense for a female, such as the top coming down over the thighs and splitting in the middle. You see that in a lot of male armor but it feels too bulky and seems to have no purpose for the female. And the crisscross straps across the chest? That's uncomfortable with boobs and in real life, we avoid it when possible. Further, it doesn't seem to serve any purpose on this set for either of them.
