Female Expression In AoC

As a Female MMO gamer I would like to suggest giving more effeminate options in armor styles. My concern is that I would like to have the option for dressing effeminately. The reason I am suggesting to make it optional is so people can dress as feminine or masculine or neutral as the player choses. This aids players self expression. Different armor styles as well as jewelry and makeup would be very helpful in this goal. I understand that you would like to keep things on the more practical side but this could be stifling to the communities creativity. Self expression and fashion is very important to me as a player I would like as many options as possible in creating my character.

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NishUK

Leiloni wrote: »

Given how hideous this months cosmetic armor is I feel like this is a perfect time to come back to this discussion.

Couldn't agree more, It generally feels uncomfortable discussing about it, besides obviously that quite a few mmorpg designs of the past have had female sets with heels and inappropriate head protection.

I'm a fan of making things uniformed and currently, with so many customization and race options we're going to be having players loads of different shapes and full armored, especially like in the example you've shown, no one will be able to grasp without knowing that character whether they are male or female.

The progressive audience is always very low, that does not mean I don't care about all players options and I feel they will be able to find a cosmetic design suitable, but having male and female body armors being the same size with exactly the same amount of structure by default is not displaying genders appropriately (why have it at all perhaps).

The average male, can comfortably carry more body weight than the average female, so I expect for there to be smaller parts, less purposefully menacing features and other ideas to relieve weight but I stress again, obviously, the female still requires appropriate head wear, thigh protection and no heels.

I always pick male as my avatar, but If I wanted to look more slender, radiant, beautiful and whatever appropriate words there are for the female figure, I would pick a female character and the opposite should be true for players who love the typical butch physique.

B_B_Z

No, I don't want to see female players fighting a really tough mob in skimpy/sexy/ultra tight clothing. I'm here to adventure, group, fight tough mobs, fight other players. Im not here to see sexualised female characters. Same goes for the male characters. Keep it practical. Theres plenty of MMOs that devolve into end game fashion farming with sexualised female armor, I dont think we need another one.
Hears to hoping intrepid wants to be different than these other mmos.

Thank you for letting me express my opinion.

B_B_Z

Leiloni wrote: »

Given how hideous this months cosmetic armor is I feel like this is a perfect time to come back to this discussion. For anyone who hasn't seen this month's armor set yet, here it is -

I like that armor set.

Dolyem

Nerror

The design itself isn't to my taste, but I applaud them for making it similar for the male and female. Excellent choice.

It's actually only really the blue parts I don't like for that set. If I knew I could re-dye that into a different color, I would actually like it.

NishUK

Nerror wrote: »

The design itself isn't to my taste, but I applaud them for making it similar for the male and female. Excellent choice.

I mean as Gimli said, women are mistaken for men, so if we're going by LotR realistic fantasy (which it's clear that Ashe's is) then yeah, this is to be expected. Although in Tolkien's amazing story we didn't get much if any info on the history and feats of Dwarven women but I found Lineage 2's take on this to be a great fantasy choice.

Dwarves live for up to around 300 years and at the age of 30 they are still considered really young (65-75 for adulthood), which is why the achievements of a 32 year old Dwarven male slaying something significant was made legend.
It was clear the fantasy depiction of Lineage 2 with Dwarves was that male Dwarves, whatever age, do not lose their combat prowess, where as, the females had a time gate and I found it to be a great and more importantly, mass appealing interpretation of Tolkien's work.

Curious as to why the applause? the shades and the "excellent"?

Chocometeor

TBH thats all so unnecessary.
Its a High-Fantasy Game. Let the People live to that Fantasy and give them Neutral, Feminine and Masculine Armor ... there are enough Sets to give the Player all of that.

So why discuss about it?
I mean there are comments about realism and stuff like ''Oh i cant image running in those Heels'' Tf. its a Fantasy Game. You throw Fireballs and Teleport around. Shoot Laserbeams as a Mage and you cant image Armor looking in a specific way ?

Just give us a wide variety of Sets and everyone will get something out of it.

My Girlfriend always plays as a Female Character with ''Sexy Armor'' because she likes to see the shape of her Characters Body.
Why hide it?

I say just do it like Final Fantasy XIV and give Female and Male Characters the same Opportunity to show a lot of Skin on their Sets AND Give us Sets that are completley Neutral.
Everyone is Happy.

Leiloni

Izzetin wrote: »

TBH thats all so unnecessary.
Its a High-Fantasy Game. Let the People live to that Fantasy and give them Neutral, Feminine and Masculine Armor ... there are enough Sets to give the Player all of that.

So why discuss about it?
I mean there are comments about realism and stuff like ''Oh i cant image running in those Heels'' Tf. its a Fantasy Game. You throw Fireballs and Teleport around. Shoot Laserbeams as a Mage and you cant image Armor looking in a specific way ?

Just give us a wide variety of Sets and everyone will get something out of it.

My Girlfriend always plays as a Female Character with ''Sexy Armor'' because she likes to see the shape of her Characters Body.
Why hide it?

I say just do it like Final Fantasy XIV and give Female and Male Characters the same Opportunity to show a lot of Skin on their Sets AND Give us Sets that are completley Neutral.
Everyone is Happy.

Exactly this is fantasy so the idea that it needs to be "real" is already out the window. All we're asking for is choices. Some people are trying to gatekeep but really all we want is for everyone to be able to enjoy the way their character looks. As I illustrated in my Aion examples above, I'm ok with mostly or fully covered characters as long as the style looks nice and the armor actually fits my characters and is made for the female form and not merely a design made for a male and downsized.

I took a screenshot last night in WoW TBC Classic to illustrate the extreme, here. It's an old game with old graphics and I'm wearing a mishmash of unmatched leveling armor. Every piece here is either Mail or Plate armor and I'm still happy with the way it looks because it fits. You can see my character's body but she's still wearing armor. Same idea with Aion's armor. Obviously I'm hoping for higher quality and more attractive looks for Ashes, but you get the idea at least.

Azherae

Leiloni wrote: »

Given how hideous this months cosmetic armor is I feel like this is a perfect time to come back to this discussion. For anyone who hasn't seen this month's armor set yet, here it is -

Are you sure it's not just that you don't like Dwarves, or maybe that you don't like heavy plate to begin with?

Once again I honestly can't see what it is you want changed here.

If this is just rehashing the overall discussion, then ignore me, but once again in reference to this specific set you have brought to the thread...

I really don't get it, I think it looks great. Would be even better if you could change the blue to be other tints, at which point it would become 'fantastic' to me.

Whereas if there were any significant difference between the two genders, again for THIS SET, I would find that to look silly and be annoyed that all the female Dwarf players who explicitly would want the set to be the same, would then not get what they want.

I continue to prefer that 'form fitting' vs 'bulky' is not a choice we make by character gender choice, but by the gear cosmetic itself.

Just ask Intrepid to make form fitting armor that you think fits female characters and then also have that be the same or extremely similar on male characters. Solved, right?

Guess what this looks like on Male characters...

Chocometeor

A Family friendly game ?
What the hell are you even talking about.
So only fully covered or gender Neutral Armor types are ''Family friendly'' ?
Ok

Dolyem

I am all for the options. Fine with feminine aesthetics, masculine, or unisex stuff. All I ask is that they go absolutely minimal on the silly/cutsie stuff.

B_B_Z

Leiloni wrote: »

Given how hideous this months cosmetic armor is I feel like this is a perfect time to come back to this discussion. For anyone who hasn't seen this month's armor set yet, here it is -

I like that armor set.

Izzetin wrote: »

TBH thats all so unnecessary.
Its a High-Fantasy Game. Let the People live to that Fantasy and give them Neutral, Feminine and Masculine Armor ... there are enough Sets to give the Player all of that.

So why discuss about it?
I mean there are comments about realism and stuff like ''Oh i cant image running in those Heels'' Tf. its a Fantasy Game. You throw Fireballs and Teleport around. Shoot Laserbeams as a Mage and you cant image Armor looking in a specific way ?
AND Give us Sets that are completley Neutral.
Everyone is Happy.

Just because its high fantasy doesnt mean it has to be stupid. I dont care if you are a magic user, if youve got 6 inch heels on and running, jumping, fighting et cetera that is just rediculous. Balance is still a thing in magical worlds.

Just because a world is magical doesnt mean we have to throw all realism out the window.

George_Black

It's all good..... People believe they achieve something by voicing objection to attractive looks for female chars (demanded by real female players).
Meanwhile real female rights have been declared illegal in some part of the world

George_Black

And please... give it a rest with the cheapshots about 9ich heels and bikini armors. Nobody asked for those.
Pretentious counter arguments.

B_B_Z

Staff literally said to discuss and voice your opinion. Why get upset when people do just that?

George_Black

B_B_Z wrote: »

Staff literally said to discuss and voice your opinion. Why get upset when people do just that?

I am upset that people belittle voices asking for attractive and distinct female outfits, not male copy paste. Valid feedback. Once again the monthly design it's just a copy paste. Nothing to do with realistic. Nothing to do with the whole "no to bikini armor".
Dont try to twist my words.

B_B_Z

George_Black wrote: »

B_B_Z wrote: »

Staff literally said to discuss and voice your opinion. Why get upset when people do just that?

I am upset that people belittle voices asking for attractive and distinct female outfits, male copy paste. Valid feedback. Once again the monthly design it's just a copy paste. Nothing to do with realistic. Nothing to do with the whole "no to bikini armor".
Dont try to twist my words.

I didn't twist your words... what are you even talking about at this point? It's a discussion people have back and forths and will express different opinions. Period.

JamesSunderland

Leiloni wrote: »

Given how hideous this months cosmetic armor is I feel like this is a perfect time to come back to this discussion. For anyone who hasn't seen this month's armor set yet, here it is -

Certainly doesn't look like a costume that will make generous sales numbers based solely on the female counterpart costume but, i can't deny the "Unisex" trend we are seeing in recent monthly costumes that when you give it a first glance you are barely able to discern male from female other than paying attention to height and minimum chest curvature.

Caeryl

Anyone who wants heels on their armor is a weirdo. It’s not cute, it’s horrific. Do you even know the sort of damage high heels cause?

George_Black

B_B_Z wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

B_B_Z wrote: »

Staff literally said to discuss and voice your opinion. Why get upset when people do just that?

I am upset that people belittle voices asking for attractive and distinct female outfits, male copy paste. Valid feedback. Once again the monthly design it's just a copy paste. Nothing to do with realistic. Nothing to do with the whole "no to bikini armor".
Dont try to twist my words.

I didn't twist your words... what are you even talking about at this point? It's a discussion people have back and forths and will express different opinions. Period.

I could do without your last 2 posts and nothing would change. You added nothing. You stated the obvious, and managed to contradict yourself.

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