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I don't like action combat, and it could very potentially stop me from playing

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  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    Mag7spy wrote: »
    Also one being an elitist doesn't mean they are a top player its more of a mind set. Just sometimes people get a big head when they get to the top.
    And I'm fairly sure that's exactly what we've been talking about. I don't think anyone here claimed to be the absolute very best. We just have high standards for things and a different outlook on said things due to our standards.
    Noaani wrote: »
    My question still stands as well.

    What dictionary are you pulling your definition of "competitive" from?
    Stop biting the ankles, YOU FOX!
  • WarthWarth Member
    Noaani wrote: »
    Mag7spy wrote: »
    My question still stands

    My question still stands as well.

    What dictionary are you pulling your definition of "competitive" from?

    clearly none
  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I think it's more a problem with 100% competitive.
    A duel is technically competitive since it involves winning and losing, but...
    I might agree to a duel just because a friend asks me to duel and I'm in a social mood - not because I care about winning... it's just something to do... so maybe that's, like, 5% competitive.

    If I'm not in the mood for PvP combat, so I let my attacker gain Corruption, that's maybe 2% competitive.

    If I kill my friend to help clear their Corruption, that's 100% cooperative.

    Generally, PvP is competitive and PvE is cooperative.
    Sometimes PvP can be cooperative. Sometimes PvE can be competitive.
    And.... then.....???
    What does that have to do with action combat??
  • Mag7spyMag7spy Member, Alpha Two
    NiKr wrote: »
    Mag7spy wrote: »
    Also one being an elitist doesn't mean they are a top player its more of a mind set. Just sometimes people get a big head when they get to the top.
    And I'm fairly sure that's exactly what we've been talking about. I don't think anyone here claimed to be the absolute very best. We just have high standards for things and a different outlook on said things due to our standards.
    Noaani wrote: »
    My question still stands as well.

    What dictionary are you pulling your definition of "competitive" from?
    Stop biting the ankles, YOU FOX!

    I never said anyone claimed to be the best I'm simply stating how elitist are with ego, though people could be stating that for themselves that they are the best and do the hardest content or a top tier guild pve or pvp. I don't view elitist as being the best, those are simply the type I choose to hunt. They normally have a above average or higher skill and its satisfying to crush their ego.
  • Mag7spyMag7spy Member, Alpha Two
    Dygz wrote: »
    I think it's more a problem with 100% competitive.
    A duel is technically competitive since it involves winning and losing, but...
    I might agree to a duel just because a friend asks me to duel and I'm in a social mood - not because I care about winning... it's just something to do... so maybe that's, like, 5% competitive.

    If I'm not in the mood for PvP combat, so I let my attacker gain Corruption, that's maybe 2% competitive.

    If I kill my friend to help clear their Corruption, that's 100% cooperative.

    Generally, PvP is competitive and PvE is cooperative.
    Sometimes PvP can be cooperative. Sometimes PvE can be competitive.
    And.... then.....???
    What does that have to do with action combat??

    Has absolutely nothing to do with action combat.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Mag7spy wrote: »
    I never said anyone claimed to be the best I'm simply stating how elitist are with ego
    In my experience, people at the top dont have much of an ego. We kind of cant, as we all know we are literally nothing without the rest of our guild.

    Now, this doesnt apply in WoW, and other games where people are treated as disposable, but WoW is - once again- the exception rather than the rule.

    The biggest ego I have come across in a top end raiding guild would pale in comparison to a specific ego on display in this thread.
  • aphorizemaphorizem Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Don't let this meme die.
  • SapiverenusSapiverenus Member
    edited September 2022
    Korean type MMOs are shit. Arcade MMO shit
  • JHWRD wrote: »
    Ottobot wrote: »
    Tab is boring and for lazy gamers. Get with the times people.

    How am I going to eat my party size bag of Dorritos and my large Meatzza Dominos pizza and sip on my 2 liter of Mountain Dew while I play if it isn't tab?

    You finished that large pizza and made your next post? :yum:
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  • sb1285n wrote: »
    Azherae wrote: »
    Vissox wrote: »
    I guess I'm the only one? I feel as though people are putting very little thought into the implications of action combat. If it's bad, its really, really bad. Tab targeting is tried and true, and rotations are a pve exclusive thing guys. If you watch some WoW arena (as boring as it is) there is a lot more to interact with. I hope you guys are right on this one. =/

    You are definitely not the only one, but according to my main data, the people who share your opinion are not online at this time.

    Give it a few hours and you'll probably get a more balanced discussion, though I should warn you that the Action Combat lovers so far have a much stronger capacity to actually deliver their points (some bias here, but probably not much), so you might not be able to count on anything other than 'numbers'.

    The OPs statements are overly agressive and dismissive of other people's opinions. That's why they're having trouble making a point. And even if I wanted to agree, I wouldn't do it in this thread, because of the way they're responding.

    Case in point.

    "If you don't like min maxing, I'm sorry but I have no idea why you play mmorpgs."

    "I feel as though people are putting very little thought into the implications of action combat."

    No, we have. We just prefer it over tab targetting and that's okay.

    The other thing Stephen has already said not every game is for everybody so if this isn't your cup of tea then this may not be the game for that person not being aggressive aggressive just stating a simple fact Also I was more targeting the "that you" d over what you said I was just too lazy to scroll backup to find it
  • LinikerLiniker Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    odanrot wrote: »
    The other thing Stephen has already said not every game is for everybody so if this isn't your cup of tea then this may not be the game for that person not being aggressive aggressive just stating a simple fact Also I was more targeting the "that you" d over what you said I was just too lazy to scroll backup to find it

    Steven, not Stephen. If you can't even spell a person's name maybe you shouldn't be talking about or interpreting what he said.
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  • maouwmaouw Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Liniker wrote: »
    odanrot wrote: »
    The other thing Stephen has already said not every game is for everybody so if this isn't your cup of tea then this may not be the game for that person not being aggressive aggressive just stating a simple fact Also I was more targeting the "that you" d over what you said I was just too lazy to scroll backup to find it

    Steven, not Stephen. If you can't even spell a person's name maybe you shouldn't be talking about or interpreting what he said.

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    Let's not fight over spelling errors.
    Good to remember tho - SteVen not Stephen
    I wish I were deep and tragic
  • pyrealpyreal Member, Warrior of Old, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I'm a tab target fan mainly because most MMOs I've played have been tab target.

    When all the talk started about action combat my first reaction was negative because I saw it as an attack on what- to ME- made an MMO an MMO.

    Now I'm curious to see how it plays in the end, and I'm still excited for the game.

    I trust Steven and the crew because they are making a game they are passionate about, and I've always felt that if whatever you make, if you make it with passion, it'll be greatly valued by many. Not all. But many.. and that's fine.

    I live in a small town (three intersections with traffic lights) and there's this BBQ place that bills itself as 'Texas BBQ'... it ain't. They owner has zero passion for it. Its crap.
    I've been to Blacks, Louie Mueller, Franklins, and a few others. BBQ is not rocket science, but if you don't maintain passion for it the product is going to suffer.

    Steven has passion for this project, and its showing. If in the end the game isn't for me, I'll be bummed, but I won't be salty over it because I know its a product that someone poured their passion into.
    It'll simply be unfortunate, on my part, that I couldn't appreciate it.

  • Was watching a BDO pvp fight between 2 players and their action combat attacks go off at the same time, sending them no where near the other player, with each player performing their attack on thin air... if that fight were going down in reality, theres no way it would look that bad.
  • Mag7spyMag7spy Member, Alpha Two
    Why is this thread back, there are so many more interesting things to talk about or discuss. People out here really doing this....

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    The live stream is coming soon don't worry about more topics / arguing
  • LordBlankLordBlank Member
    edited September 2022
    Vissox wrote: »
    sb1285n wrote: »
    Am *TOTALLY* with you on action-combat, though. I just don't feel that it has a place in MMOs beyond single-player or small-group content.




    What about it makes you think it doesn't have a place? That's quite a statement to make. I may prefer action combat, but I can see why people enjoy tab targeting games.

    It takes the focus away from the rpg aspects. The more people dodge the less gear matters, it will become more about stacking stamina and sponging forever while trying to keep perfect tracking on someone. and it makes stuns even MORE broken in a pvp setting. Long boss fight? Get ready to press the 1 key 900 times.

    What are you talking about? Gears matter the most in action combat. They are what provide passive and active skills that can increase your character's reaction speed. Just because you can see the attack doesn't mean your character is fast enough to react to it. Also, even if you are fast enough without good gears all it takes is one good hit to kill you.
  • Vissox wrote: »
    CROW3 wrote: »
    Dygz wrote: »
    AC: Odyssey melee combat looks pretty good.
    I still have to take a look at ranged combat, I guess, if we're talking about aiming.

    Aiming can be either soft target (standard reticle aiming) or a target lock (similar to a tab target).

    Archery is good as an opener, or if you’re in a hidden or elevated position. Rooftops are especially good with a bow as you can use kicks to knock folks from ledges and gain a few more shots. Once you’re engaged in an even fight though, the combat is too fast-paced to get a meaningful bow attack.

    Switching between swords and spears is incredibly realistic, they animated pole combat very well so you are dangerous from greater distance. The two weapon styles balance each other well, particularly when fighting 5-7 Athenians on a pitching ship deck.

    I don’t like that I can’t use a shield, but I’m playing Valhalla next where I can.

    I would not be opposed to an aim lock system, that is basically what I want anyway.

    I wouldn't mind this under the condition that abilities can't auto-track towards their target. So no ability curving mid-flight.
  • 4 years ago but not bad

    Action combat vs tab targetting....hybrid combat thrown in the mix as well.

    https://youtu.be/7sIgCD1f5x0

    Dodge rolling is probably one of the worst and most boring/dull aspects of action combat, imo.
  • UnderdelveUnderdelve Member, Alpha Two
    @DarkTides thanks for the vid! Pretty good primer on the pros/cons of Action/Tab/Hybrid combat!
  • GarrtokGarrtok Member, Alpha Two
    After guild wars 2 it was impossible for me to play a classic tab targeting again its just much too boring
  • Mag7spyMag7spy Member, Alpha Two
    Garrtok wrote: »
    After guild wars 2 it was impossible for me to play a classic tab targeting again its just much too boring

    A lot of people have just felt like that over time. Bunch of new guild members of mine feel the same. Its also why AoC got a lot of hype from the last combat showing, so it will be interesting to see how ranger is, and hopefully maybe they will talk about balancing between tab and action combat.
  • Mag7spy wrote: »
    Why is this thread back, there are so many more interesting things to talk about or discuss. People out here really doing this....

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    The live stream is coming soon don't worry about more topics / arguing

    I think Intrepid might as well just ride the tide and do a Necromancer reveal livestream on October 31st.
  • Mag7spyMag7spy Member, Alpha Two
    edited September 2022
    Mag7spy wrote: »
    Why is this thread back, there are so many more interesting things to talk about or discuss. People out here really doing this....

    5repcym05xmr.png


    The live stream is coming soon don't worry about more topics / arguing

    I think Intrepid might as well just ride the tide and do a Necromancer reveal livestream on October 31st.

    That would be fire I'm not going to lie, but i feel we won't see full classes of mixes until next year (early). I feel this would be the most easy one to do though tbh.
  • Mag7spy wrote: »
    Why is this thread back, there are so many more interesting things to talk about or discuss. People out here really doing this....

    5repcym05xmr.png


    The live stream is coming soon don't worry about more topics / arguing

    I think Intrepid might as well just ride the tide and do a Necromancer reveal livestream on October 31st.

    Do they work in parallel on these classes?
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  • Unless they can't code for it, I believe the plan is to allow 90% tab target or 90% action if you so desire.
  • LinikerLiniker Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited January 2023
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